(01-04-2018 03:37 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Prove? We can prove they barely beat only two top 25 teams.

What does that "prove"?

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(01-04-2018 03:44 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  The problem here is that people want to make a post-hoc declaration that UCF should be in the CFP or should be the national champ based on the bowl game. Not one person was saying they needed to be in the CFP before the Peach Bowl.

Yet the one team that most everyone agreed deserved the #1 seed based on the regular season gets beaten soundly by Alabama, and people want to say Alabama didn't deserve to be in. Alabama beat convincingly a team that beat Auburn, so applying that logic Alabama has to be better, right?

BTW, where was all the complaining that Western Michigan didn't make the CFP when they were undefeated?

Hindsight is 20-20, you've got to put the best 4 teams in using the most fair way possible, and that was done.

Nobody is making the case that they thought UCF should have been selected by the committee in this format, at that time. People are using the events in hindsight to make the case that the current format is flawed, subjective, and designed to exclude certain conferences and that the format should be such that UCF was included in it.

This is all true, and I applaud UCF for using its rare opportunity to highlight it for all of us.

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I don't understand how G5 fans can be so dense about what UCF is trying to do. They are not literally claiming the National Championship...they are making a point...on behalf of all of our G5 programs.

People complain about nobody in the G5 standing up to the cartel...one does and you want to hammer it down.

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(01-04-2018 01:25 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Alabama claims several unofffical titles. Including one season they went 9-2. Why not

Before there was an official system in place. UCF should not accept the CFP money if they don’t accept the result.

(01-04-2018 04:05 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I don't understand how G5 fans can be so dense about what UCF is trying to do. They are not literally claiming the National Championship...they are making a point...on behalf of all of our G5 programs.

People complain about nobody in the G5 standing up to the cartel...one does and you want to hammer it down.

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No, they are literally claiming the national championship.

(01-04-2018 04:02 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 03:44 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  The problem here is that people want to make a post-hoc declaration that UCF should be in the CFP or should be the national champ based on the bowl game. Not one person was saying they needed to be in the CFP before the Peach Bowl.

Yet the one team that most everyone agreed deserved the #1 seed based on the regular season gets beaten soundly by Alabama, and people want to say Alabama didn't deserve to be in. Alabama beat convincingly a team that beat Auburn, so applying that logic Alabama has to be better, right?

BTW, where was all the complaining that Western Michigan didn't make the CFP when they were undefeated?

Hindsight is 20-20, you've got to put the best 4 teams in using the most fair way possible, and that was done.

Nobody is making the case that they thought UCF should have been selected by the committee in this format, at that time. People are using the events in hindsight to make the case that the current format is flawed, subjective, and designed to exclude certain conferences and that the format should be such that UCF was included in it.

This is all true, and I applaud UCF for using its rare opportunity to highlight it for all of us.

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I don't think it was "designed to exclude". There is a lot of money involved in the current bowl system, but 8 teams is inevitable. It's going to happen. The decision to go with four and not 8 or 16 was largely do to the amount of change to the previous bowl system.

We all know the system is flawed and more teams, especially undefeated ones, should be included. Proclaiming national champs does nothing for them except some good press. It will be forgotten in a week or two. It will have zero effect on the current bowl system. The powers at be will like they always have, change the system as they damn well please.

(01-04-2018 04:07 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:05 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I don't understand how G5 fans can be so dense about what UCF is trying to do. They are not literally claiming the National Championship...they are making a point...on behalf of all of our G5 programs.

People complain about nobody in the G5 standing up to the cartel...one does and you want to hammer it down.

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No, they are literally claiming the national championship.

You think they actually believe they are the National Champions and are not just trolling the CFP and its exclusionary format?

I have a hard time believing that anyone could actually believe that. But people believe the earth is flat so...to each his own.

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(01-04-2018 04:05 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I don't understand how G5 fans can be so dense about what UCF is trying to do. They are not literally claiming the National Championship...they are making a point...on behalf of all of our G5 programs.

People complain about nobody in the G5 standing up to the cartel...one does and you want to hammer it down.

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I actually fully support doing this to ruffle feathers...but I've got a feeling it's really more self-congratulatory "Power 6" talk that won't really bring us closer to a playoff expansion.

Hoping for gradual moves toward conference champions having a shot at the title. At the very least, the following happens since the powers that be probably want to flex this Power 5 nonsense:

• 5 highest ranked conference champions get auto-bid
• 2 wild cards
• next highest ranked conference champion if in top 25
  

The 5 auto bids will probably be 'Power 5' teams...

(01-04-2018 04:12 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I actually fully support doing this to ruffle feathers...but I've got a feeling it's really more self-congratulatory "Power 6" talk that won't really bring us closer to a playoff expansion.

Not everything in the entire world is AAC shoveling "Power 6" talk. Seems like the trendy thing to say.

(01-04-2018 04:10 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:02 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 03:44 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  The problem here is that people want to make a post-hoc declaration that UCF should be in the CFP or should be the national champ based on the bowl game. Not one person was saying they needed to be in the CFP before the Peach Bowl.

Yet the one team that most everyone agreed deserved the #1 seed based on the regular season gets beaten soundly by Alabama, and people want to say Alabama didn't deserve to be in. Alabama beat convincingly a team that beat Auburn, so applying that logic Alabama has to be better, right?

BTW, where was all the complaining that Western Michigan didn't make the CFP when they were undefeated?

Hindsight is 20-20, you've got to put the best 4 teams in using the most fair way possible, and that was done.

Nobody is making the case that they thought UCF should have been selected by the committee in this format, at that time. People are using the events in hindsight to make the case that the current format is flawed, subjective, and designed to exclude certain conferences and that the format should be such that UCF was included in it.

This is all true, and I applaud UCF for using its rare opportunity to highlight it for all of us.

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I don't think it was "designed to exclude". There is a lot of money involved in the current bowl system, but 8 teams is inevitable. It's going to happen. The decision to go with four and not 8 or 16 was largely do to the amount of change to the previous bowl system.

We all know the system is flawed and more teams, especially undefeated ones, should be included. Proclaiming national champs does nothing for them except some good press. It will be forgotten in a week or two. It will have zero effect on the current bowl system. The powers at be will like they always have, change the system as they damn well please.

Every conference champion in a sports league should have equal access to that league's playoff. Because thats the way sports leagues freaking work.

It is a stupid freaking system like no other designed to preserve a performance and revenue gap between elite members of the league and a non-elite.

Can you imagine where Troy would be now if its multi-year SBC Championship run had also included multi-year playoff appearances?

How many recruits might we all have gotten over the years if they had a shot at a National Championship with us? Instead of sitting the bench at Georgia or Bama or LSU?

How many lower level P5 might have wanted to rearrange conferences to have a better shot at winning a conference championship...and its playoff spot?

Being a regular sports league would be a lot healthier than this rigged abortion we have now.

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(01-04-2018 04:05 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I don't understand how G5 fans can be so dense about what UCF is trying to do. They are not literally claiming the National Championship...they are making a point...on behalf of all of our G5 programs.

People complain about nobody in the G5 standing up to the cartel...one does and you want to hammer it down.

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Those beaten down by authority, tend to have a crab in the bucket mentality!

(01-04-2018 04:10 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  I don't think it was "designed to exclude". There is a lot of money involved in the current bowl system, but 8 teams is inevitable...Proclaiming national champs does nothing for them except some good press.

And that is exactly the point. The press is designed so that when inevitable expansion does happen G5s have a clearly defined path to inclusion. If the G5 sits back and hopes the P5 grant them access to an 8 team playoff we'll spend another 10 years screaming for access to a 16 team playoff. They won't GIVE us anything. We have to yell, scream, and hald-facetiously claim national championships (when you have a team that's as good as UCF was this year) to get it done.

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(01-04-2018 04:11 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:07 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:05 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I don't understand how G5 fans can be so dense about what UCF is trying to do. They are not literally claiming the National Championship...they are making a point...on behalf of all of our G5 programs.

People complain about nobody in the G5 standing up to the cartel...one does and you want to hammer it down.

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No, they are literally claiming the national championship.

You think they actually believe they are the National Champions and are not just trolling the CFP and its exclusionary format?

I have a hard time believing that anyone could actually believe that. But people believe the earth is flat so...to each his own.

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Alabama claims a National Title in a year in which they finished ranked 20th in the country with 2 losses, but nobody says a word. UCF claims a National Title in which they finish as the only undefeated team and a top 10 finish, but their trolling. Interesting

(01-04-2018 04:12 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:05 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I don't understand how G5 fans can be so dense about what UCF is trying to do. They are not literally claiming the National Championship...they are making a point...on behalf of all of our G5 programs.

People complain about nobody in the G5 standing up to the cartel...one does and you want to hammer it down.

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I actually fully support doing this to ruffle feathers...but I've got a feeling it's really more self-congratulatory "Power 6" talk that won't really bring us closer to a playoff expansion.

The P6 talk is garbage, trying to demean peers and kick them down the ladder.

UCF'S talk is finding themselves in a rare fortunate position and using it to exert influence and highlight disparities on behalf of its peers to move them up the ladder.

I see a big difference.

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(01-04-2018 04:32 PM)gumbobrown Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:11 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:07 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:05 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I don't understand how G5 fans can be so dense about what UCF is trying to do. They are not literally claiming the National Championship...they are making a point...on behalf of all of our G5 programs.

People complain about nobody in the G5 standing up to the cartel...one does and you want to hammer it down.

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No, they are literally claiming the national championship.

You think they actually believe they are the National Champions and are not just trolling the CFP and its exclusionary format?

I have a hard time believing that anyone could actually believe that. But people believe the earth is flat so...to each his own.

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Alabama claims a National Title in a year in which they finished ranked 20th in the country with 2 losses, but nobody says a word. UCF claims a National Title in which they finish as the only undefeated team and a top 10 finish, but their trolling. Interesting

social media tends to change the amount of attention a story gets

(01-04-2018 04:32 PM)gumbobrown Wrote:  Alabama claims a National Title in a year in which they finished ranked 20th in the country with 2 losses, but nobody says a word. UCF claims a National Title in which they finish as the only undefeated team and a top 10 finish, but their trolling. Interesting

I see this kind of talk a lot. "ABC does this and nobody says a word, but when XYZ does the same thing everyone throws a fit". Inevitably, when someone makes that kind of statement it's usually always wrong. You must be living under a rock if you think no one has bitched, whined, and complained about Alabama's mythical national championships.

Another recent example is "Cam Newton does XYZ and everyone jumps all over him, but when Johnny Manziel does it, no one says a word". I had to remind dozens of people using the rhetoric that Manziel is one of the most hated QB's in recent history, precisely because of his antics.

(01-04-2018 03:37 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Prove? We can prove they barely beat only two top 25 teams.

If you are talking about UCF, they actually beat 4 ranked teams. USF (which was ranked every week of the year in the AP and coaches poll, reaching #13), Memphis twice, and Auburn.

It's an absolute crime that UCF was only ranked #12, and that USF wasn't ranked in CFP, despite being in the AP and coaches all year long.

Part of the problem is that the CFP committee is stacked with SEC, ACC, etc. conf reps.

(01-04-2018 04:36 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:12 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:05 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I don't understand how G5 fans can be so dense about what UCF is trying to do. They are not literally claiming the National Championship...they are making a point...on behalf of all of our G5 programs.

People complain about nobody in the G5 standing up to the cartel...one does and you want to hammer it down.

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I actually fully support doing this to ruffle feathers...but I've got a feeling it's really more self-congratulatory "Power 6" talk that won't really bring us closer to a playoff expansion.

The P6 talk is garbage, trying to demean peers and kick them down the ladder.

UCF'S talk is finding themselves in a rare fortunate position and using it to exert influence and highlight disparities on behalf of its peers to move them up the ladder.

I see a big difference.

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When did the AAC demean anyone. I've never heard Aresco say one word about the Sun Belt.

By the way, define "peer". The AAC is 3-0 in NY6 games, has won national championships in both men's and women's basketball. The MWC is the only G so called 5 conference to win a major bowl game and that was just Boise, not the MWC. No other G so called 5 have won one. That is not peers under any definition of the word.

Honestly, what I see is a lot of other conferences who haven't won anything, trying to ride the AAC's coattails.

(01-04-2018 04:43 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:36 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:12 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:05 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I don't understand how G5 fans can be so dense about what UCF is trying to do. They are not literally claiming the National Championship...they are making a point...on behalf of all of our G5 programs.

People complain about nobody in the G5 standing up to the cartel...one does and you want to hammer it down.

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I actually fully support doing this to ruffle feathers...but I've got a feeling it's really more self-congratulatory "Power 6" talk that won't really bring us closer to a playoff expansion.

The P6 talk is garbage, trying to demean peers and kick them down the ladder.

UCF'S talk is finding themselves in a rare fortunate position and using it to exert influence and highlight disparities on behalf of its peers to move them up the ladder.

I see a big difference.

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When did the AAC demean anyone. I've never heard Aresco say one word about the Sun Belt.

By the way, define "peer". The AAC is 3-0 in NY6 games, has won national championships in both men's and women's basketball. The MWC is the only G so called 5 conference to win a major bowl game and that was just Boise, not the MWC. No other G so called 5 have won one. That is not peers under any definition of the word.

Honestly, what I see is a lot of other conferences who haven't won anything, trying to ride the AAC's coattails.

G Actual 5.

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