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That half of the FBS is eliminated from championship contention regardless of their performance by virtue of this conference caste system. Scott frost had some pointed comments the other day regarding the CFP commitee and their blatant decision process to exclude UCF from any consideration for the playoff. It’s too bad that there isn’t an expanded playoff because UCF may have been the closest we may ever see to a Cinderella national champ.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/earl...ed-season/

This nugget came across my news feed and BuickBronco mentioned it on the CFP thread. A coach that has the cojones to speak out against an unfair system. Good on UCF for paying Frost and his staff a championship bonu$.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/earl...l-playoff/

We'll see how much love that Frost has for the G5 after a few years at Nebraska, and few truck loads of $$$ courtesy of the BIG.

Quote:White said via Twitter that UCF will hang a national championship banner at Spectrum Stadium, where it plays its home games. The Knights will have a national championship parade, rings, the works.

Parades, rings and banners are fine, and it would've been great to see what UCF could've done if in an expanded playoff.

But this is just silliness. You still aren't the national champion, no matter how much you print it on your merchandise and pretend it to be so. They're from the same conference that puts P5 stickers on their helmets, just because.

I support the G5, but this fantasyland alternate universe stuff in the AAC is nonsense.

I'd be embarrassed if KB had a "national championship" banner raised at Waldo Stadium if we eked out a win over Wisconsin last year.

Just as embarrassing as OK State giving players rings inscribed with 11-2 record instead of the actual 10-3 record they officially had the year they lost to the Chippewas.

Eh. I'm all for it. The playoff still isn't an NCAA official championship and football factories have been claiming whatever NCs they want for decades. Plus as the only undefeated team, plus a win over a team that beat both finalists, I think they have a case. Good for UCF.

UCF's "national championship" is just as arbitrary as whoever wins Monday's game. Neither is legitimate.

I don't have a problem with it.

And good for UCF for backing it up by actually paying out bonuses to all their coaches as if they had won the national championship, per their contract:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...001924001/

Name another sport/league where you can go undefeated and literally have ZERO chance of winning the title... the college football system is just erroneous.

(01-04-2018 08:14 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  UCF's "national championship" is just as arbitrary as whoever wins Monday's game. Neither is legitimate.

I don't have a problem with it.

And good for UCF for backing it up by actually paying out bonuses to all their coaches as if they had won the national championship, per their contract:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...001924001/

Name another sport/league where you can go undefeated and literally have ZERO chance of winning the title... the college football system is just erroneous.

I agree 100 percent.

Monday's game is nothing more than "SEC Championship Game II." Alabama has no business being in the playoff, regardless of how it does. It was the 3rd place SEC team in the regular season and couldn't qualify for the first championship game (which featured two teams beaten by a superior UCF team) .

If UCF, and other G5, programs & fans accept and aggressively promote UCF as National Champion it will help discredit the corrupt nonsense playing out Monday night.

Good for UCF! Time to eye gouge and vilify the P5s and the NCAA.

Yea I agree, UCF's championship is no more arbitrary than the one the P5 pundits are passing off as a championship.

Auburn already had 3 losses to Clemson, LSU, and Georgia. The SEC Championship loss
to Georgia was by 3 TDs. To say a close win over a 3 loss team qualifies you to claim a National Championship is ridiculous.

(01-04-2018 09:03 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Auburn already had 3 losses to Clemson, LSU, and Georgia. The SEC Championship loss
to Georgia was by 3 TDs. To say a close win over a 3 loss team qualifies you to claim a National Championship is ridiculous.

Was Auburn in the SEC Championship Game? Yes or no?

Yes.

It was the SEC runner-up, regardless of record.

Alabama did not even qualify for its league championship game. Couldn't win its own division. It deserved a nice bowl, not the playoff.

If UT went undefeated last season, and beat Auburn in the Peach Bowl, I would argue it should also be National Champion.

Anyway we can screw the filthy bastards who run P5 and the NCAA we MUST do it!!

Can somebody in the MAC get into the MACC championship game without winning their division? Maybe by saying they had the best season based on a poll, so therefore should really be able to play in the MACC instead of the division winner because they were actually the best team?

(01-04-2018 09:16 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Can somebody in the MAC get into the MACC championship game without winning their division? Maybe by saying they had the best season based on a poll, so therefore should really be able to play in the MACC instead of the division winner because they were actually the best team?

It is all about "brand," not accomplishment. That is also why Ohio State got into the playoff last season. Unearned. Undeserved.

The "committee" would have created arguments for Alabama even if it finished 8-4.

Unearned. Undeserved.

Can't say that about UCF. It actually earned something objectively, on-the-field, this season.

(01-03-2018 09:08 PM)Bronco XXVIII Wrote:  We'll see how much love that Frost has for the G5 after a few years at Nebraska, and few truck loads of $$$ courtesy of the BIG.

Frost is a stand up guy. He isn't full of himself as you know who. I don't see him turning into the greedy demon many P5 coaches do. He's seen what a good G5 effort can reap and he is no stranger to Nebraska of course. His biggest challenge is riding into Lincoln the same way Harbaugh rode back to Ann Arbor. If he can't produce within three years his hero status is gone.

(01-04-2018 09:07 AM)GullLake Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 09:03 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Auburn already had 3 losses to Clemson, LSU, and Georgia. The SEC Championship loss
to Georgia was by 3 TDs. To say a close win over a 3 loss team qualifies you to claim a National Championship is ridiculous.

Was Auburn in the SEC Championship Game? Yes or no?

Yes.

It was the SEC runner-up, regardless of record.

Alabama did not even qualify for its league championship game. Couldn't win its own division. It deserved a nice bowl, not the playoff.

If UT went undefeated last season, and beat Auburn in the Peach Bowl, I would argue it should also be National Champion.

Anyway we can screw the filthy bastards who run P5 and the NCAA we MUST do it!!

I would not argue UT for a National Championship claim based on a NY6 Bowl win without some quality OOC wins that would include a couple of P5 teams. An unbeaten G5 team would be unlikely to have the same record with 2 or 3 Top 25 teams on the schedule. WMU was unbeaten but got a one point victory over a 7-6 Northwestern.NIU's Orange Bowl team lost by a point to a 4-8 Iowa. Hard to make a real good argument when looking at scheduling match ups , when there is such a disparity in schedule strengths.

All joking aside, I was ready and willing to send WMU a replica national championship trophy had we handled Wisconsin in the bowl game. There is a site that makes them for the pro sports and they claim college football is coming soon. It's a joke that G5 can't make the playoff. Either split us out or expand the playoff. Now we will never know how good UCF actually was. I love that they are claiming a championship. Many have claimed with less credentials then they have.

https://www.copytrophy.com/

(01-04-2018 01:08 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 09:07 AM)GullLake Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 09:03 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Auburn already had 3 losses to Clemson, LSU, and Georgia. The SEC Championship loss
to Georgia was by 3 TDs. To say a close win over a 3 loss team qualifies you to claim a National Championship is ridiculous.

Was Auburn in the SEC Championship Game? Yes or no?

Yes.

It was the SEC runner-up, regardless of record.

Alabama did not even qualify for its league championship game. Couldn't win its own division. It deserved a nice bowl, not the playoff.

If UT went undefeated last season, and beat Auburn in the Peach Bowl, I would argue it should also be National Champion.

Anyway we can screw the filthy bastards who run P5 and the NCAA we MUST do it!!

I would not argue UT for a National Championship claim based on a NY6 Bowl win without some quality OOC wins that would include a couple of P5 teams. An unbeaten G5 team would be unlikely to have the same record with 2 or 3 Top 25 teams on the schedule. WMU was unbeaten but got a one point victory over a 7-6 Northwestern.NIU's Orange Bowl team lost by a point to a 4-8 Iowa. Hard to make a real good argument when looking at scheduling match ups , when there is such a disparity in schedule strengths.

Everyone knows UCF isn't the best team in the country. But everyone also knows the system is a sham. If UCF touts themselves as Champs, maybe it puts some pressure on the NCAA to fix this mess. This deeming of worthy thing is crap when it comes to sports. Many times the "best" team in the regular season doesn't win. Sports is about doing what you need to during the regular season so you can get into the post season, then taking advantage of the moment.

I so hope UCF runs the table next season too. Let's see the committee tell a team who's won 27 games in a row they're not "worthy".

The hangup on finding the "best" team is the source of the problem. Championships shouldn't be awarded, they should be earned. By winning.

Nobody thinks Leicester City was the "best" team during the season when they won the Premier League, but it doesn't matter because they did win it.

All the talk of SOS, P5/G5, and conference strength is just distraction and rationalization for an unfair system. The only legitimate system is one where the primary qualification (i.e. not at-large) is based on objective measures and every team in the division is eligible.

(01-04-2018 08:50 AM)GullLake Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 08:14 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  UCF's "national championship" is just as arbitrary as whoever wins Monday's game. Neither is legitimate.

I don't have a problem with it.

And good for UCF for backing it up by actually paying out bonuses to all their coaches as if they had won the national championship, per their contract:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...001924001/

Name another sport/league where you can go undefeated and literally have ZERO chance of winning the title... the college football system is just erroneous.

I agree 100 percent.

Monday's game is nothing more than "SEC Championship Game II." Alabama has no business being in the playoff, regardless of how it does. It was the 3rd place SEC team in the regular season and couldn't qualify for the first championship game (which featured two teams beaten by a superior UCF team) .

If UCF, and other G5, programs & fans accept and aggressively promote UCF as National Champion it will help discredit the corrupt nonsense playing out Monday night.

Good for UCF! Time to eye gouge and vilify the P5s and the NCAA.

Well said and I completely agree with you!! All G5 schools should print out shirts stating a G5 school won the 2018 NC

This would grab the NCAAs attention!

(01-04-2018 09:03 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Auburn already had 3 losses to Clemson, LSU, and Georgia. The SEC Championship loss
to Georgia was by 3 TDs. To say a close win over a 3 loss team qualifies you to claim a National Championship is ridiculous.

No more ridiculous than Monday's winner who couldn't eek out a win over Auburn!

Since UCF beat Auburn who beat Georgia and Alabama, to me indicates that UCF could compete with both schools playing on Monday. Bottom line is the NCAA needs to add G5 to the NC championship playoffs.