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Exclamation No news, but downtown stadium prediction [01/19 update @post 126]
Looks like stadium prediction is #2(via search for "stadium" on BBJ website" - see below), but need subscription to read it... . Anyone? Beuhler! Beuhler!


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10 predictions for Birmingham's business world in 2018
quarter. 2. Plans will be cemented for a new downtown stadium. After years of talk, stalls and numerous false starts, Birmingham leaders will finally pull the trigger on a new stadium at the Birmingham…

https://www.bizjournals.com/birmingham/n...ld-in.html
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RE: No news, but downtown stadium prediction
Not much too it, but the BBJ editor's predictions are usually pretty good.

2. Plans will be cemented for a new downtown stadium.

After years of talk, stalls and numerous false starts, Birmingham leaders will finally pull the trigger on a new stadium at the Birmingham-Jefferson Convention Complex.

The timing is right, with the return of football at UAB, the debut of Topgolf and the chance to synch the project with the Interstate 20/59 project.
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RE: No news, but downtown stadium prediction
The final stumbling block to building the new (smaller) open air stadium is accepting B'ham's permanently subordinate role in regional convention competition. The list of regional cities that B'ham can't "be like" is growing longer by the years. What is the next regional city to step over B'ham as they grow by building newer and larger facilities instead of newer and smaller?
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RE: No news, but downtown stadium prediction
(01-03-2018 12:17 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  The final stumbling block to building the new (smaller) open air stadium is accepting B'ham's permanently subordinate role in regional convention competition. The list of regional cities that B'ham can't "be like" is growing longer by the years. What is the next regional city to step over B'ham as they grow by building newer and larger facilities instead of newer and smaller?

I don't know why I'm responding, but I am. Maybe it's the lawyer in me, but I just can't help myself....

Okay, let's talk regional cities with which Birmingham would be in competition for conventions. Which of them has domes? Charlotte? Nope. Nashville? Nope. Seriously, how many domes are in the Southeast? Atlanta. NOLA. I can't think of any others.

I don't know why you and others think that in order to have more convention space, that space has to be a football field with a roof over it. Nashville is a prime example. Their convention hall is massive. Hell, the NRA had something like 50,000 people in there. It isn't a football field with a roof over it. So, by all means lets expand convention space, but let's build a football stadium. I hate watching games in domes anyway...
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(01-03-2018 02:35 PM)BatesUAB Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 12:17 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  The final stumbling block to building the new (smaller) open air stadium is accepting B'ham's permanently subordinate role in regional convention competition. The list of regional cities that B'ham can't "be like" is growing longer by the years. What is the next regional city to step over B'ham as they grow by building newer and larger facilities instead of newer and smaller?

I don't know why I'm responding, but I am. Maybe it's the lawyer in me, but I just can't help myself....

Okay, let's talk regional cities with which Birmingham would be in competition for conventions. Which of them has domes? Charlotte? Nope. Nashville? Nope. Seriously, how many domes are in the Southeast? Atlanta. NOLA. I can't think of any others.

I don't know why you and others think that in order to have more convention space, that space has to be a football field with a roof over it. Nashville is a prime example. Their convention hall is massive. Hell, the NRA had something like 50,000 people in there. It isn't a football field with a roof over it. So, by all means lets expand convention space, but let's build a football stadium. I hate watching games in domes anyway...

Amen to all of this.

Also, BJCC complex desperately needs to be renovated and expanded.
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RE: No news, but downtown stadium prediction
(01-03-2018 02:35 PM)BatesUAB Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 12:17 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  The final stumbling block to building the new (smaller) open air stadium is accepting B'ham's permanently subordinate role in regional convention competition. The list of regional cities that B'ham can't "be like" is growing longer by the years. What is the next regional city to step over B'ham as they grow by building newer and larger facilities instead of newer and smaller?

I don't know why I'm responding, but I am. Maybe it's the lawyer in me, but I just can't help myself....

Okay, let's talk regional cities with which Birmingham would be in competition for conventions. Which of them has domes? Charlotte? Nope. Nashville? Nope. Seriously, how many domes are in the Southeast? Atlanta. NOLA. I can't think of any others.

I don't know why you and others think that in order to have more convention space, that space has to be a football field with a roof over it. Nashville is a prime example. Their convention hall is massive. Hell, the NRA had something like 50,000 people in there. It isn't a football field with a roof over it. So, by all means lets expand convention space, but let's build a football stadium. I hate watching games in domes anyway...

+1

Our convention center in DC handles up to 42,000. It is neither a dome nor a stadium. http://www.dcconvention.com/Venues/Conve...enter.aspx
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(01-03-2018 02:48 PM)Blazing Saddles Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 02:35 PM)BatesUAB Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 12:17 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  The final stumbling block to building the new (smaller) open air stadium is accepting B'ham's permanently subordinate role in regional convention competition. The list of regional cities that B'ham can't "be like" is growing longer by the years. What is the next regional city to step over B'ham as they grow by building newer and larger facilities instead of newer and smaller?

I don't know why I'm responding, but I am. Maybe it's the lawyer in me, but I just can't help myself....

Okay, let's talk regional cities with which Birmingham would be in competition for conventions. Which of them has domes? Charlotte? Nope. Nashville? Nope. Seriously, how many domes are in the Southeast? Atlanta. NOLA. I can't think of any others.

I don't know why you and others think that in order to have more convention space, that space has to be a football field with a roof over it. Nashville is a prime example. Their convention hall is massive. Hell, the NRA had something like 50,000 people in there. It isn't a football field with a roof over it. So, by all means lets expand convention space, but let's build a football stadium. I hate watching games in domes anyway...

Amen to all of this.

Also, BJCC complex desperately needs to be renovated and expanded.

I agree. If the BJCC needs another 80,000 to 100,000 square feet of space, surely it could be built cheaper than the $300m that it would cost to build a dome vs open air stadium.
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(01-03-2018 02:35 PM)BatesUAB Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 12:17 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  The final stumbling block to building the new (smaller) open air stadium is accepting B'ham's permanently subordinate role in regional convention competition. The list of regional cities that B'ham can't "be like" is growing longer by the years. What is the next regional city to step over B'ham as they grow by building newer and larger facilities instead of newer and smaller?

I don't know why I'm responding, but I am. Maybe it's the lawyer in me, but I just can't help myself....

Okay, let's talk regional cities with which Birmingham would be in competition for conventions. Which of them has domes? Charlotte? Nope. Nashville? Nope. Seriously, how many domes are in the Southeast? Atlanta. NOLA. I can't think of any others.

I don't know why you and others think that in order to have more convention space, that space has to be a football field with a roof over it. Nashville is a prime example. Their convention hall is massive. Hell, the NRA had something like 50,000 people in there. It isn't a football field with a roof over it. So, by all means lets expand convention space, but let's build a football stadium. I hate watching games in domes anyway...

Johnson City, TN has a mini dome.
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(01-03-2018 03:37 PM)blazer-J Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 02:48 PM)Blazing Saddles Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 02:35 PM)BatesUAB Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 12:17 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  The final stumbling block to building the new (smaller) open air stadium is accepting B'ham's permanently subordinate role in regional convention competition. The list of regional cities that B'ham can't "be like" is growing longer by the years. What is the next regional city to step over B'ham as they grow by building newer and larger facilities instead of newer and smaller?

I don't know why I'm responding, but I am. Maybe it's the lawyer in me, but I just can't help myself....

Okay, let's talk regional cities with which Birmingham would be in competition for conventions. Which of them has domes? Charlotte? Nope. Nashville? Nope. Seriously, how many domes are in the Southeast? Atlanta. NOLA. I can't think of any others.

I don't know why you and others think that in order to have more convention space, that space has to be a football field with a roof over it. Nashville is a prime example. Their convention hall is massive. Hell, the NRA had something like 50,000 people in there. It isn't a football field with a roof over it. So, by all means lets expand convention space, but let's build a football stadium. I hate watching games in domes anyway...

Amen to all of this.

Also, BJCC complex desperately needs to be renovated and expanded.

I agree. If the BJCC needs another 80,000 to 100,000 square feet of space, surely it could be built cheaper than the $300m that it would cost to build a dome vs open air stadium.

And just exactly where have any of you seen a plan to build this "80,000 to 100,000 square feet enclosed convention space" after they can barely afford the seasonally useful smaller open air (football only) stadium? UAB will be happy to play in any new facility that replaces Legion Field so they can have the same unfettered ticket pricing that they presently have for the best seats at Bartow Arena.

The renovation plans I have heard about for the Legacy Arena are to make it SMALLER in seating capacity by taking out seats in favor of adding plush "sky boxes" for corporate use. So B'ham winds up in the 2020s with a 55,000 seat stadium of limited use and an 11,000 seat Legacy Arena unless someone comes up with a so far unmentioned financial plan for additional convention space. Does that sound regionally competitive to you?

As with the lotteries and casinos in neighboring states, Alabamians can conveniently drive to nearby facilities like we can't / won't build. BTW, Tens of thousands just drove to NOLA and then will drive to Atlanta to see games in DOMES. A similar number went to the Peach Bowl in Atlanta.
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So when do you think that the SEC Championship or the Football Playoff would be played in Birmingham if we built a dome?

My money's on the 12th of Never.

The BJCC plan includes renovation of Legacy Arena and the convention halls, the stadium, another convention hall IIRC, and eventually (last) a parking deck.
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