1. Houston isn’t a basketball town. College or Pro. The NBA Championship run of the Rockets in the 90’s brought the lowest tv numbers in history and the city overall was Luke warm about the titles compared to OKC and Dallas when their teams had lesser runs.
2. Houston is a Pro sport city.
3. I’ve never seen any evidence that Houston Coogs basketball will ever be popular in Houston. For the past 30 years they’ve struggled to get consistent crowds. Every one of those seasons have had games with less than 1,000 fans in the stands.
4. Houston is in the state of Texas. Keyword is Texas. Texas is the identity. Texas A&M has come along way in the city of Houston in stealing some of the Bonghorn’s thunder, but Texas and Texas A&M have most of the fanbase of Houston locked up. And it’s a much smaller college sports fanbase than most think. See point #2.
Well when phi slama jama was happening it was a college basketball city and about 20 years before that !
Remember the big game played in the astrodome in the sixtys UCLA And Houston played in a sold out dome and was the first nationally televised game ever and Houston won
So Houston is a basketball city when the teams are good
(This post was last modified: 12-31-2017 02:07 PM by JHS55.)
There is no such thing as a "football town" or a "basketball town". If your program is competitive, it will grow in viewership as the media promotes its successes.
That being said... it wouldn't be a bad idea to get creative in the marketing department. Perhaps change the name of the mascot to the Flying Burritos and attempt to get the Latin community to adopt Houston U as theirs. You could also hold bull fights at halftime. It's worth a shot. It's not like you have a huge fanbase to piss off. Change the name to Burrito and you lose 500 fans initially but gain the entire Latin nation. Intermission food will become awesome as well. Great promotion possibilities!
(12-31-2017 12:14 AM)Moody Magic Wrote: Houston has had a good team for three years and playing good competition but attendance is still terrible. NOT A BASKETBALL CITY
WE HAVEN'T MADE A TOURNEY!!!!!!
NOT BEEN TOURNEY CALIBER FOR 30 YEARS!!!!
you think in a city like houston people care about nits with juco players????????????
(12-31-2017 02:06 PM)JHS55 Wrote: Well when phi slama jama was happening it was a college basketball city and about 20 years before that !
Remember the big game played in the astrodome in the sixtys UCLA And Houston played in a sold out dome and was the first nationally televised game ever and Houston won
So Houston is a basketball city when the teams are good
(12-31-2017 02:07 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote: There is no such thing as a "football town" or a "basketball town". If your program is competitive, it will grow in viewership as the media promotes its successes.
That being said... it wouldn't be a bad idea to get creative in the marketing department. Perhaps change the name of the mascot to the Flying Burritos and attempt to get the Latin community to adopt Houston U as theirs. You could also hold bull fights at halftime. It's worth a shot. It's not like you have a huge fanbase to piss off. Change the name to Burrito and you lose 500 fans initially but gain the entire Latin nation. Intermission food will become awesome as well. Great promotion possibilities!
(12-31-2017 02:07 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote: There is no such thing as a "football town" or a "basketball town". If your program is competitive, it will grow in viewership as the media promotes its successes.
That being said... it wouldn't be a bad idea to get creative in the marketing department. Perhaps change the name of the mascot to the Flying Burritos and attempt to get the Latin community to adopt Houston U as theirs. You could also hold bull fights at halftime. It's worth a shot. It's not like you have a huge fanbase to piss off. Change the name to Burrito and you lose 500 fans initially but gain the entire Latin nation. Intermission food will become awesome as well. Great promotion possibilities!
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Don't forget free soccer tickets!
Ugghhhh. I was thinking more along the lines of baseball. I'd rather not subject the Latin community to further discriminatory practices like promoting a sport invented for the sole purpose of keeping the populace placated while more advanced civilizations plunder their resources. Soccer is like poison for the IQ. Mark my words; get the Latin community away from soccer and D. J. Trump will drop the wall B.S. (the wall is really for soccer)
(12-31-2017 08:51 AM)CougarRed Wrote: Umm, mighty Cincy is playing off campus this year during a renovation. Having a great season.
Their attendance average was 9,865 last year. Less than 7,200 this year!
Let's wait and see how Houston fans respond to the new arena.
Two things-
UC games are in Kentucky, not convenient for most people.
2. They have basically sold out the 9800 per game for the year. IE people bought the tickets...they may not be going to the games. I wouldnt drive to No. Kentucky battling I75 traffic to watch UC play an 250+ rpi scrub.
People will show up (for the tickets they’ve already bought) once conference starts.
All in ave 7000+ fans for the crap home slate we’ve had in Nortern Kentucky isnt bad. Students have to bused and its not free which is stupid.
In case Wichita State fans would like to see how we compare to Cincy, we averaged 8200 in Cowshit Cove. Our team was not quite top 25 caliber that year.
(12-31-2017 08:51 AM)CougarRed Wrote: Umm, mighty Cincy is playing off campus this year during a renovation. Having a great season.
Their attendance average was 9,865 last year. Less than 7,200 this year!
Let's wait and see how Houston fans respond to the new arena.
Two things-
UC games are in Kentucky, not convenient for most people.
2. They have basically sold out the 9800 per game for the year. IE people bought the tickets...they may not be going to the games. I wouldnt drive to No. Kentucky battling I75 traffic to watch UC play an 250+ rpi scrub.
People will show up (for the tickets they’ve already bought) once conference starts.
All in ave 7000+ fans for the crap home slate we’ve had in Nortern Kentucky isnt bad. Students have to bused and its not free which is stupid.
In case Wichita State fans would like to see how we compare to Cincy, we averaged 8200 in Cowshit Cove. Our team was not quite top 25 caliber that year.
ive said this before, U.Houston is a HUGE basketball bolder on a hill that is having a hard time starting to roll..
but once that ball is rolling houston is a behemoth in waiting....Houston is #3 in the nation in producing D1 basketball recruits.. the nation top basketball camp, that train 5stars is in houston (john lucas camp)...with arguably the best aau league
here is a picture of numerous lottery pics on just ONE houston aau team
The problem is that none of them see houston as an option becuase we dont make the tourney..and we have had a hard time making the tourney without them. before dotson hadnt had a player drafted in over a decade
The Cause
after the SWC crash, houston didnt have money to invest in basketball anymore (or any sport). our income was drastically cut coming to c-usa (losing swc revenue), it was about what can we cut to balance and not what can we invest in...Football and basketball went into a 10 years dark period of just horrific...dave maggard (then AD) in 2006 found a way to win enough for dirt cheap (briles , high school football coach...penders, pulled out of retirement, ut basketball coach)..the success brought support, support brought boosters and we were finally able to invest again, we started with football.. and now just finishing up with basketball
The Growth
with the 150mil invested in basketball, dotson getting drafted and us projected to make the tourney , the ball is starting to roll...after we make the NCAA (if we make it).. the people of houston will get behind
people dont realize houston was national power for 3 decades, if you asked anyone to name the top 7 basketball programs, all would have named houston in the (60s-early 90s) and that was built on almost exclusively houston players...all but Olajuwon were Houston players in phi slamma
This Year and Beyond: -we are playing in a off-campus arena, not sure why you are judging our attendance off of that
-our numbers arent as bad as you are making it out to seems, atleast 2-3k were at the temple game.. we had a few 4-5k games last year (actual attendance)
- I expect next year if we make the tourney to have decent attendance numbers...7k announced probably 6k actually show up (with a plenty of sellouts). our new arena is only 8k..if we make the tourney again i expect sellouts the year after that for most of the year
(12-31-2017 02:52 PM)pesik Wrote: Im about to give a TLDR
ive said this before, U.Houston is a HUGE basketball bolder on a hill that is having a hard time starting to roll..
but once that ball is rolling houston is a behemoth in waiting....Houston is #3 in the nation in producing D1 basketball recruits.. the nation top basketball camp, that train 5stars is in houston (john lucas camp)...with arguably the best aau league
here is a picture of numerous lottery pics on just ONE houston aau team
The problem is that none of them see houston as an option becuase we dont make the tourney..and we have had a hard time making the tourney without them. before dotson hadnt had a player drafted in over a decade
The Cause after the SWC crash, houston didnt have money to invest in basketball anymore (or any sport). our income was drastically cut coming to c-usa (losing swc revenue), it was about what can we cut to balance and not what can we invest in...Football and basketball went into a 10 years dark period of just horrific...dave maggard (then AD) in 2006 found a way to win enough for dirt cheap (briles , high school football coach...penders, pulled out of retirement, ut basketball coach)..the success brought support, support brought boosters and we were finally able to invest again, we started with football.. and now just finishing up with basketball
The Growth
with the 150mil invested in basketball, dotson getting drafted and us projected to make the tourney , the ball is starting to roll...after we make the NCAA (if we make it).. the people of houston will get behind
people dont realize houston was national power for 3 decades, if you asked anyone to name the top 7 basketball programs, all would have named houston in the (60s-early 90s) and that was built on almost exclusively houston players...all but Olajuwon were Houston players in phi slamma
This Year and Beyond: -we are playing in a off-campus arena, not sure why you are judging our attendance off of that
-our numbers arent as bad as you are making it out to seems, atleast 2-3k were at the temple game.. we had a few 4-5k games last year (actual attendance)
- I expect next year if we make the tourney to have decent attendance numbers...7k announced probably 6k actually show up (with a plenty of sellouts). our new arena is only 8k..if we make the tourney again i expect sellouts the year after that for most of the year
So, all you are saying is that Houston has "been there".......been in the highest level of college sports conferences in existence and blew their chance to stay with the big guys.
I don't have anything against Houston, excepting a decade in the limelight; Memphis is in the same boar. I'm just saying that you need a new excuse.
(12-31-2017 03:24 PM)oldtiger Wrote: So, all you are saying is that Houston has "been there".......been in the highest level of college sports conferences in existence and blew their chance to stay with the big guys.
I don't have anything against Houston, excepting a decade in the limelight; Memphis is in the same boar. I'm just saying that you need a new excuse.
did you even read my post at all???..especially the end...i stated no excuse for our overall attendance as a matter fact, i said by next year we'll be fine...i just stated the history what happened (our fall from grace) and why the stars are aligned to return next season
my post wasnt "we have bad attendance but its okay because this"...my post was "don't worry in a year or 2 you'll find something else to troll on"
(This post was last modified: 12-31-2017 04:31 PM by pesik.)
(12-30-2017 11:58 PM)Moody Magic Wrote: I used to think Houston was on par with Dallas as a basketball city but after constant let downs in attendance at UH home games has me thinking otherwise. I know DISD dominates HISD in state championships. Starting to buy that Houston is football only. We win.
(12-31-2017 12:35 AM)UHRedcat96 Wrote: Not really a bball city...but we also didn't hire Brown & Co to cheat their asses off to get players that were talented and above the level that SMU would usually get.
I have said it all along...in NCAA sports, cheating pays. You get great teams, great crowds, tv, tons of money, and a little probation if you are caught...or if you are unc perpetrating academic fraud for decades there is no punishment.
You do know who your head coach is right? Caught cheating at his last 2 head coaching gigs.
That being said, I don’t think SMU has the right to trash anyone about attendance.
With our embarrassingly bad football attendance and many years of terrible basketball attendance our fans should never troll anyone about attendance. If they do, they probably aren't real SMU fans or they would know better. However, Houston fans should never troll SMU about cheating in basketball given their current coach received the NCAA's harshest possible penalty given to a coach.
(12-31-2017 02:52 PM)pesik Wrote: Im about to give a TLDR
ive said this before, U.Houston is a HUGE basketball bolder on a hill that is having a hard time starting to roll..
but once that ball is rolling houston is a behemoth in waiting....Houston is #3 in the nation in producing D1 basketball recruits.. the nation top basketball camp, that train 5stars is in houston (john lucas camp)...with arguably the best aau league
here is a picture of numerous lottery pics on just ONE houston aau team
The problem is that none of them see houston as an option becuase we dont make the tourney..and we have had a hard time making the tourney without them. before dotson hadnt had a player drafted in over a decade
The Cause after the SWC crash, houston didnt have money to invest in basketball anymore (or any sport). our income was drastically cut coming to c-usa (losing swc revenue), it was about what can we cut to balance and not what can we invest in...Football and basketball went into a 10 years dark period of just horrific...dave maggard (then AD) in 2006 found a way to win enough for dirt cheap (briles , high school football coach...penders, pulled out of retirement, ut basketball coach)..the success brought support, support brought boosters and we were finally able to invest again, we started with football.. and now just finishing up with basketball
The Growth
with the 150mil invested in basketball, dotson getting drafted and us projected to make the tourney , the ball is starting to roll...after we make the NCAA (if we make it).. the people of houston will get behind
people dont realize houston was national power for 3 decades, if you asked anyone to name the top 7 basketball programs, all would have named houston in the (60s-early 90s) and that was built on almost exclusively houston players...all but Olajuwon were Houston players in phi slamma
This Year and Beyond: -we are playing in a off-campus arena, not sure why you are judging our attendance off of that
-our numbers arent as bad as you are making it out to seems, atleast 2-3k were at the temple game.. we had a few 4-5k games last year (actual attendance)
- I expect next year if we make the tourney to have decent attendance numbers...7k announced probably 6k actually show up (with a plenty of sellouts). our new arena is only 8k..if we make the tourney again i expect sellouts the year after that for most of the year
So, all you are saying is that Houston has "been there".......been in the highest level of college sports conferences in existence and blew their chance to stay with the big guys.
I don't have anything against Houston, excepting a decade in the limelight; Memphis is in the same boar. I'm just saying that you need a new excuse.
I'm not sure I understand your meaning of your reply other than sensing a blind soft slingshot at Houston.
I find you to be an intelligent person, pesik points of Houston i found them to be sufficiently clear but yet you felt the need to rush here when in fact this subject and conversations has tirelessly been exhausted in why Houston finds itself in state that is in, basketball attendance I mean.
Houston brings tremendous worthy amount to this AAC table and pretty certain tv networks most definitely will 100% agree... Give it a minute and let that sink in.
(12-30-2017 11:58 PM)Moody Magic Wrote: I used to think Houston was on par with Dallas as a basketball city but after constant let downs in attendance at UH home games has me thinking otherwise. I know DISD dominates HISD in state championships. Starting to buy that Houston is football only. We win.
Complains the school that couldn't get 15k people to attend a bowl 15 minutes from campus
Moody Magic, your kinda right, but not really
It’s true UofH fell on hard times but those times are long gone
Now if houstons golf program can get back to the glory years of (16) national championships
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