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RE: Largest metro areas without FBS, FCS, and DI colleges
(12-30-2017 12:47 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
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(12-29-2017 08:28 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Started thinking earlier about how my hometown of St. Louis doesn't have any DI football in the entire metro while Chicago only has Northwestern (debatably NIU too), yet a smaller area like the NC Research Triangle happens to have Duke, UNC, NC State, NC Central, and Campbell. Got to thinking, and what are the smallest cities in the US without any local FBS, FCS, or even DI teams? I think St. Louis is the smallest without football (Baltimore is right behind them, though they have FCS with Towson); does Rochester have anyone in DI?

UMdTerps' FBS stadium is 30 road miles from InnerHarbor / Ravens' stadium. Navy is even closer at 27 miles from M&T.
FCS includes Morgan State in addition to Towson.

Maryland is closer to Washington than Baltimore, though I see your point.

No question College Park is more DC metro than Baltimore metro. But MD as state flagship 30 minutes from downtown Baltimore has to be given some credence.

If you asked me what DC Metro's college football team is, VaTech has to be in the conversation

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(01-18-2018 01:49 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  Paterson, NJ

Modesto, CA

Paterson is not all that far from NYC.

Modesto is close to Stockton and in turn the Bay Area.
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(12-31-2017 06:43 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  They need to come up with some kind of stat that works. I guess media market is the best.


It should be the population in a 45 mile radius from downtown of the biggest city.
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(01-04-2018 05:03 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 04:41 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  VCU have been looked at as a target to grab. I saw the MAC was interested in them to try and upped their basketball RPI a few years ago with some others. Now, last year, AAC seemed to looked at them as a candidate.

The growing areas in Arkansas is the Russellville area, Fort Smith and the northwest Arkansas. Fort Smith could be their own metro away from Fayetteville, and Russellville is further away from the three large hubs of Little Rock, Fort Smith and Fayetteville. Conway is growing as well that they should have their own FBS team.

Yuma and Bullhead City areas are growing as well. They are really underserved of NCAA schools at all. Bullhead City, Kingman and Lake Havasu City all have a Junior college with no sports. All three are under Mohave Junior College system. Mohave is in Kingman. Last I checked, Arizona Western have close to 10,000 students. Only their branched outside of Yuma have smaller numbers. Eastern arizona in Chandler that I checked have over 15,000. I think that school could work as a 4 year college. As it is, with the talks about dropping sports to all of the junior colleges in the Phoenix area, only Eastern Washington and Arizona Western could have sports. I have a feeling they can not survive without any close competition. They could be new schools as 4 year colleges to help ease Arizona State somewhat. Arizona State can't keep up with all the students enrolling where they do not have all the buildings in place for more classes and dorms.

I suspect that the Yakima Valley region would become very large in population in a few years. I think their target would be D1.

It it probably time for Arizona to look at establishing another 4 year state university. UofA is about 45k students, ASU about 72k (51k at main Tempe campus, others throughout Phoenix Metro), Northern Arizona at about 30k.

With a state population of 7MM I would think they could support another enrollment wise. Problem is that Arizona drastically under invests in education so not sure budget wise they could swing it.

Yep, but how many of those 7 million are retirees?
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That doesn't work either. In some cases, cities in their own right can be lumped in with other cities. Besides, there are some places closer to Washington that gravitate toward Baltimore. And Ohio is a total mess in such a case.
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Well, you have population trends always fluid in certain cities. Cities like Tampa, Miami, and Phoenix, who have a sizable northeastern retiree population. I mean, heck, there's a reason Wawa started putting stores in Tampa...it's not just because the Phillies have some operations around there at certain times of the year. There are just a lot of former Philly people who eventually move to the Tampa-St. Pete area. So, should Tampa start getting NBC-10 down there just because?
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(12-29-2017 09:15 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Rochester I think wins...(or loses)

Rochester has two options Buffalo Bills/Sabres or Syracuse Orange

For all intents and purposes Rochester is part of the Buffalo Niagara Metro. It's less than 90 minutes. I realize that it's a different area in terms of demographic statistics but the two are culturally pretty much the same area.

I grew up in Buffalo, and my first job worked a lot in Rochester and really it felt like one area.

The two cities have missed so many opportunities to coordinate on infrastructure. Buffalo has a small international airport and Rochester has a small international airport. It's very expensive to fly into either because they are tiny.

If they had combined on one, located in Batavia, it would have been better all around.
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While I agree that the 2 are very similar and should market themselves as one metro area, Rochester is not in any way part of Buffalo/Niagara Falls metro. They are all in WNY and the two towns are about the same size, but thats it. Actually it takes about a good hour to get from Buffalo to Rochester (68 miles) thanks to the speed limit on the thruway being increased to 65 mph. I set my cruise to 70. Rochester is kinda in a no mans land, lol. Buffalo folks dont consider it as part of Western NY, even though it is, and Syracuse folks dont consider it as part of Central NY.

I agree about building an airport in Batavia, infact, they tried to do just that in the 1950's. The concept was to build a large jetport in Batavia. While that was long before my time, the rejection of the jetport fits in with the tunnel vision thinking that has plagued Rochester for many years.

Someone seems to get it now. Rochester and Buffalo just recently tried to lure Amazons new HQ2 to Rochester, and marketed itself as one metro area. That was smart, and if the two towns keep marketing themselves as one metro area, it could open up many future opportunities.
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Now that Savannah State is moving to D2, the city of Savannah, GA (metro population of 600k) is probably the largest city in Georgia without a D1 school.

Georgia Southern has a large campus in Savannah, so large it's really more of a Co-campus than a branch campus. However, all our sports are still played on our main campus in Statesboro which is about 40 minutes outside of the city, so it doesn't really count.
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(12-29-2017 08:28 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Started thinking earlier about how my hometown of St. Louis doesn't have any DI football in the entire metro while Chicago only has Northwestern (debatably NIU too), yet a smaller area like the NC Research Triangle happens to have Duke, UNC, NC State, NC Central, and Campbell. Got to thinking, and what are the largest cities in the US without any local FBS, FCS, or even DI teams? I think St. Louis is the largest without football (Baltimore is right behind them, though they have FCS with Towson); does Rochester have anyone in DI?

Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill does not compete with professional sports teams (with the exception of the Carolina Hurricanes).

Baltimore is so close to College Park, that the U of Maryland is in the area.

How about Milwaukee?
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(01-22-2018 10:01 AM)chess Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 08:28 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Started thinking earlier about how my hometown of St. Louis doesn't have any DI football in the entire metro while Chicago only has Northwestern (debatably NIU too), yet a smaller area like the NC Research Triangle happens to have Duke, UNC, NC State, NC Central, and Campbell. Got to thinking, and what are the largest cities in the US without any local FBS, FCS, or even DI teams? I think St. Louis is the largest without football (Baltimore is right behind them, though they have FCS with Towson); does Rochester have anyone in DI?

Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill does not compete with professional sports teams (with the exception of the Carolina Hurricanes).

Baltimore is so close to College Park, that the U of Maryland is in the area.

How about Milwaukee?

For D1 or professional football the closest for Milwaukee would be Madison ~80 miles, Evanston ~80 miles, Green Bay ~120 miles

Basketball Milwaukee has both Marquette and UW Milwaukee plus a NBA team.
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(01-18-2018 01:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 06:53 PM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  Eastern Arizona is in Thatcher, not Chandler. Thatcher is about 2 hours east of the Phoenix metro area. Lots of empty space out there.

If a new state school were to be opened in Arizona spinning off one of the ASU campuses would make the most sense. East at Williams Field or West out in the far west valley. I doubt they would do it, but they could.

Actually I read somewhere they were creating a new 4 year school in Phoenix.

Public? Doubtful
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(01-18-2018 03:56 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 05:03 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 04:41 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  VCU have been looked at as a target to grab. I saw the MAC was interested in them to try and upped their basketball RPI a few years ago with some others. Now, last year, AAC seemed to looked at them as a candidate.

The growing areas in Arkansas is the Russellville area, Fort Smith and the northwest Arkansas. Fort Smith could be their own metro away from Fayetteville, and Russellville is further away from the three large hubs of Little Rock, Fort Smith and Fayetteville. Conway is growing as well that they should have their own FBS team.

Yuma and Bullhead City areas are growing as well. They are really underserved of NCAA schools at all. Bullhead City, Kingman and Lake Havasu City all have a Junior college with no sports. All three are under Mohave Junior College system. Mohave is in Kingman. Last I checked, Arizona Western have close to 10,000 students. Only their branched outside of Yuma have smaller numbers. Eastern arizona in Chandler that I checked have over 15,000. I think that school could work as a 4 year college. As it is, with the talks about dropping sports to all of the junior colleges in the Phoenix area, only Eastern Washington and Arizona Western could have sports. I have a feeling they can not survive without any close competition. They could be new schools as 4 year colleges to help ease Arizona State somewhat. Arizona State can't keep up with all the students enrolling where they do not have all the buildings in place for more classes and dorms.

I suspect that the Yakima Valley region would become very large in population in a few years. I think their target would be D1.

It it probably time for Arizona to look at establishing another 4 year state university. UofA is about 45k students, ASU about 72k (51k at main Tempe campus, others throughout Phoenix Metro), Northern Arizona at about 30k.

With a state population of 7MM I would think they could support another enrollment wise. Problem is that Arizona drastically under invests in education so not sure budget wise they could swing it.

Yep, but how many of those 7 million are retirees?


14% over age 65
25% under age 18


Not much different than most states
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(12-31-2017 10:00 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  They have closer teams like UMBC and Towson, not that anyone there follows them. Navy is not Baltimore's team anymore than Army is New York's or Air Force is Denver's.
Now how would you know that? Have you lived there?
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I don't have to live in a place to know that. The Naval Academy could be located down the road from me and it still wouldn't be a local school with an exclusively local fanbase.
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(01-22-2018 09:42 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I don't have to live in a place to know that. The Naval Academy could be located down the road from me and it still wouldn't be a local school with an exclusively local fanbase.

That's fine.

However, if the question is "Does Baltimore have a D1 FBS school in it's MSA?" then the answer is "Yes. One. Anne Arundel County, Annapolis, and USNA are in the Baltimore MSA."
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(01-22-2018 09:42 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I don't have to live in a place to know that. The Naval Academy could be located down the road from me and it still wouldn't be a local school with an exclusively local fanbase.

Glad you cleared that up.
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