I have to say I am really glad that Troy, Georgia State, and App came out on top in their bowl games. The Sun Belt needed it badly. This year was about as bad a non-conference season as I can imagine (the long time SBC fans from Troy, stAte, ULM, and LA can correct me if it was ever worse than this year). App came close against Wake and UMass but in the end did nothing really helpful in non-conference play to help the SBC's reputation. Hats off to Troy for the lone regular season bright spot in non conference play.

I hope that the 1-0 record vs. the MAC and 2-1 record vs. C-USA goes a long way towards salvaging a tough season for the Sun Belt.

Congrats to the bowl winners on outstanding representation of the league this year in bowl season!

Sorry Anderson screwed if up again.


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It has been a bad OOC season, but definitely not the worst. The Sun Belt usually has pretty good bowl seasons.

I'd say 2005 was EASILY the worst season in Sun Belt history. The conference was 1-26 against FBS teams. There were also 3 co-champions that year, all with measly 6-5 records. And the lone bowl particpant lost their bowl game.

The Sun Belt is 20-13 in the past decade in bowl games. That's probably one of the better records in the country as far as bowl results the past decade. Last year we were just shy of winning the Bowl Challenge Cup.

Troy and APP's blowouts vs league champions North Texas (cusa divisional) and Toledo(mac overall), as well as Troy's win over Akron (mac divisional champ) shows that we can compete with and defeat the other leagues in our range. CUSA fans can stop crowing about "separation" now because there is none. Troy's win over one of the better SEC teams solidifies this fact. The coaching hires over the last few weeks will create a separation they don't want.

So many times over the last few weeks, fans from CUSA and the MAC have tried to delegitimize what we have done because of the league we play in. They got a solid dose of #funbelt, but I doubt they'll change their tune. After all, perception for them is more important than the play on the field.

#GOSBC!

(12-24-2017 11:57 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  I have to say I am really glad that Troy, Georgia State, and App came out on top in their bowl games. The Sun Belt needed it badly. This year was about as bad a non-conference season as I can imagine (the long time SBC fans from Troy, stAte, ULM, and LA can correct me if it was ever worse than this year). App came close against Wake and UMass but in the end did nothing really helpful in non-conference play to help the SBC's reputation. Hats off to Troy for the lone regular season bright spot in non conference play.

I hope that the 1-0 record vs. the MAC and 2-1 record vs. C-USA goes a long way towards salvaging a tough season for the Sun Belt.

Congrats to the bowl winners on outstanding representation of the league this year in bowl season!

Oh, this wasn't even in the Top 3 of bad seasons. My God, the Belt was truly terrible.

This is a better year than 2014 IMHO. That was a truly awful year for the league. Yes all those teams were bowl eligible, but it was just a function of a bunch of really bad teams at the bottom. The league won only 5 FBS OOC games all season.

I nominate 2010 as the most recent horrendous season. The Belt had exactly 2 OOC FBS wins during the regular season. Troy beat a terrible BGSU team, and FAU beat a horrendous UAB team. The Belt did win both their bowl games (against Ohio and Toledo).

And then there's 2005, which was the utter nadir. The entire league collectively beat 1 FBS OOC team all year (MTSU beat Vanderbilt).

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This year, the league won 8 FBS OOC games, with one over a ranked P5 team. The league has the best G5 vs P5 win of the season (SDSU has a claim too - they beat Stanford), and just demolished the MAC champion. Won multiple games against CUSA. And the league can get one more.

Tom is right about how bad this conference has been. 2001 North Texas was 5-6 and represented us in the NO Bowl and lost to Colorado State. Middle had the only winning record in the conf but lost in conf to UNT. You might say we have come a long way since.

Bowls mean nothing. Cusa used to hang their hats on it but in the end mean nothing. Lots of circumstances go into teams doing well or falling apart. It mostly has to do with who sees the game as more important to their season and ego.

(12-24-2017 06:37 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Bowls mean nothing. Cusa used to hang their hats on it but in the end mean nothing. Lots of circumstances go into teams doing well or falling apart. It mostly has to do with who sees the game as more important to their season and ego.

Your team isn't playing in one right? Thought so. Very few fans look at a bowl their team is playing in as not important. I f ECU was playing in one it would be important to you too.

(12-24-2017 06:49 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 06:37 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Bowls mean nothing. Cusa used to hang their hats on it but in the end mean nothing. Lots of circumstances go into teams doing well or falling apart. It mostly has to do with who sees the game as more important to their season and ego.

Your team isn't playing in one right? Thought so. Very few fans look at a bowl their team is playing in as not important. I f ECU was playing in one it would be important to you too.

Not knocking the Bowl system. I never thought ECU winning or losing meant much at all. Just saying that Sun Belt is on par with Cusa whether the bowl games reflect that or not.

(12-24-2017 08:06 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 06:49 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 06:37 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Bowls mean nothing. Cusa used to hang their hats on it but in the end mean nothing. Lots of circumstances go into teams doing well or falling apart. It mostly has to do with who sees the game as more important to their season and ego.

Your team isn't playing in one right? Thought so. Very few fans look at a bowl their team is playing in as not important. I f ECU was playing in one it would be important to you too.

Not knocking the Bowl system. I never thought ECU winning or losing meant much at all. Just saying that Sun Belt is on par with Cusa whether the bowl games reflect that or not.

Lol...so an AAC guy coming here to tell us to know our place. You probably need to go back to your board and discuss your losing football team with the rest of your fans. Your opinion really means nothing.

(12-24-2017 08:56 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:06 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 06:49 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 06:37 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Bowls mean nothing. Cusa used to hang their hats on it but in the end mean nothing. Lots of circumstances go into teams doing well or falling apart. It mostly has to do with who sees the game as more important to their season and ego.

Your team isn't playing in one right? Thought so. Very few fans look at a bowl their team is playing in as not important. I f ECU was playing in one it would be important to you too.

Not knocking the Bowl system. I never thought ECU winning or losing meant much at all. Just saying that Sun Belt is on par with Cusa whether the bowl games reflect that or not.

Lol...so an AAC guy coming here to tell us to know our place. You probably need to go back to your board and discuss your losing football team with the rest of your fans. Your opinion really means nothing.

He's right though. A large portion of bowl games are won based on which team is interested and which team isn't. We beat UCF last year primarily because they didn't care, and we did. This year, same situation happened to us in reverse.

They count towards the Final rankings, and we need to emphasize the wins we get, but there's a lot of fluky things that can happen with bowls.

(12-24-2017 09:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:56 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:06 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 06:49 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 06:37 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Bowls mean nothing. Cusa used to hang their hats on it but in the end mean nothing. Lots of circumstances go into teams doing well or falling apart. It mostly has to do with who sees the game as more important to their season and ego.

Your team isn't playing in one right? Thought so. Very few fans look at a bowl their team is playing in as not important. I f ECU was playing in one it would be important to you too.

Not knocking the Bowl system. I never thought ECU winning or losing meant much at all. Just saying that Sun Belt is on par with Cusa whether the bowl games reflect that or not.

Lol...so an AAC guy coming here to tell us to know our place. You probably need to go back to your board and discuss your losing football team with the rest of your fans. Your opinion really means nothing.

He's right though. A large portion of bowl games are won based on which team is interested and which team isn't. We beat UCF last year primarily because they didn't care, and we did. This year, same situation happened to us in reverse.

They count towards the Final rankings, and we need to emphasize the wins we get, but there's a lot of fluky things that can happen with bowls.

One of the few times I have had to disagree with you Chief, I think fan peception is one thing, teams want to win or they shouldnt be considered a good team

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(12-24-2017 09:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:56 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:06 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 06:49 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 06:37 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Bowls mean nothing. Cusa used to hang their hats on it but in the end mean nothing. Lots of circumstances go into teams doing well or falling apart. It mostly has to do with who sees the game as more important to their season and ego.

Your team isn't playing in one right? Thought so. Very few fans look at a bowl their team is playing in as not important. I f ECU was playing in one it would be important to you too.

Not knocking the Bowl system. I never thought ECU winning or losing meant much at all. Just saying that Sun Belt is on par with Cusa whether the bowl games reflect that or not.

Lol...so an AAC guy coming here to tell us to know our place. You probably need to go back to your board and discuss your losing football team with the rest of your fans. Your opinion really means nothing.

He's right though. A large portion of bowl games are won based on which team is interested and which team isn't. We beat UCF last year primarily because they didn't care, and we did. This year, same situation happened to us in reverse.

They count towards the Final rankings, and we need to emphasize the wins we get, but there's a lot of fluky things that can happen with bowls.

This comes from page 1 of the book of excuses as to why you lost to an opponent that you as a fan thought was inferior.

(12-24-2017 10:00 PM)Hemi Man Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 09:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:56 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:06 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 06:49 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Your team isn't playing in one right? Thought so. Very few fans look at a bowl their team is playing in as not important. I f ECU was playing in one it would be important to you too.

Not knocking the Bowl system. I never thought ECU winning or losing meant much at all. Just saying that Sun Belt is on par with Cusa whether the bowl games reflect that or not.

Lol...so an AAC guy coming here to tell us to know our place. You probably need to go back to your board and discuss your losing football team with the rest of your fans. Your opinion really means nothing.

He's right though. A large portion of bowl games are won based on which team is interested and which team isn't. We beat UCF last year primarily because they didn't care, and we did. This year, same situation happened to us in reverse.

They count towards the Final rankings, and we need to emphasize the wins we get, but there's a lot of fluky things that can happen with bowls.

This comes from page 1 of the book of excuses as to why you lost to an opponent that you as a fan thought was inferior.

Well, yes if you honestly feel like your opponent was inferior. It also applies strictly to other factors

Did SMU lose to La Tech because they felt La Tech was inferior, or because they had a head coach who had not coached the team previously?

In our case...our team was absolutely drained after Troy, felt the season was over and all their goals failed, and they showed up to play MTSU in that mindset. It's not that I think MTSU is inferior. We just had no desire to play any bowl game after the Troy game.

(12-24-2017 09:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  A large portion of bowl games are won based on which team is interested and which team isn't.

Personally I can't buy this. No player wants to go out a loser. No player wants to waste his final college football experience giving zero effort. I can buy that some may feel their opponent is below them and they can sleep walk to a win.

Fans can be as disinterested as they want but players want to win.

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(12-24-2017 10:24 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 10:00 PM)Hemi Man Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 09:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:56 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:06 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Not knocking the Bowl system. I never thought ECU winning or losing meant much at all. Just saying that Sun Belt is on par with Cusa whether the bowl games reflect that or not.

Lol...so an AAC guy coming here to tell us to know our place. You probably need to go back to your board and discuss your losing football team with the rest of your fans. Your opinion really means nothing.

He's right though. A large portion of bowl games are won based on which team is interested and which team isn't. We beat UCF last year primarily because they didn't care, and we did. This year, same situation happened to us in reverse.

They count towards the Final rankings, and we need to emphasize the wins we get, but there's a lot of fluky things that can happen with bowls.

This comes from page 1 of the book of excuses as to why you lost to an opponent that you as a fan thought was inferior.

Well, yes if you honestly feel like your opponent was inferior. It also applies strictly to other factors

Did SMU lose to La Tech because they felt La Tech was inferior, or because they had a head coach who had not coached the team previously?

In our case...our team was absolutely drained after Troy, felt the season was over and all their goals failed, and they showed up to play MTSU in that mindset. It's not that I think MTSU is inferior. We just had no desire to play any bowl game after the Troy game.

I hope you have no inside information on your team what so ever. If what you say is true and the players quit because they lost the championship then there’s a lot of poison in that locker room and it will show up again.

(12-24-2017 09:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:56 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:06 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 06:49 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 06:37 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Bowls mean nothing. Cusa used to hang their hats on it but in the end mean nothing. Lots of circumstances go into teams doing well or falling apart. It mostly has to do with who sees the game as more important to their season and ego.

Your team isn't playing in one right? Thought so. Very few fans look at a bowl their team is playing in as not important. I f ECU was playing in one it would be important to you too.

Not knocking the Bowl system. I never thought ECU winning or losing meant much at all. Just saying that Sun Belt is on par with Cusa whether the bowl games reflect that or not.

Lol...so an AAC guy coming here to tell us to know our place. You probably need to go back to your board and discuss your losing football team with the rest of your fans. Your opinion really means nothing.

He's right though. A large portion of bowl games are won based on which team is interested and which team isn't. We beat UCF last year primarily because they didn't care, and we did. This year, same situation happened to us in reverse.

They count towards the Final rankings, and we need to emphasize the wins we get, but there's a lot of fluky things that can happen with bowls.

Oh I think he is right about how a team's attitude affects their bowl. I just

dislike someone who has paid attention to us like we do are trying to to tell us where we are. Especially a P6 idiot. Maybe we are on the same level as CUSA but that is up to us not somebody come in as the expert(lots of sarcasm) and give his decree.

(12-24-2017 11:10 PM)Hemi Man Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 10:24 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 10:00 PM)Hemi Man Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 09:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:56 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Lol...so an AAC guy coming here to tell us to know our place. You probably need to go back to your board and discuss your losing football team with the rest of your fans. Your opinion really means nothing.

He's right though. A large portion of bowl games are won based on which team is interested and which team isn't. We beat UCF last year primarily because they didn't care, and we did. This year, same situation happened to us in reverse.

They count towards the Final rankings, and we need to emphasize the wins we get, but there's a lot of fluky things that can happen with bowls.

This comes from page 1 of the book of excuses as to why you lost to an opponent that you as a fan thought was inferior.

Well, yes if you honestly feel like your opponent was inferior. It also applies strictly to other factors

Did SMU lose to La Tech because they felt La Tech was inferior, or because they had a head coach who had not coached the team previously?

In our case...our team was absolutely drained after Troy, felt the season was over and all their goals failed, and they showed up to play MTSU in that mindset. It's not that I think MTSU is inferior. We just had no desire to play any bowl game after the Troy game.

I hope you have no inside information on your team what so ever. If what you say is true and the players quit because they lost the championship then there’s a lot of poison in that locker room and it will show up again.

The story going around Jonesboro from people who would know prior to the game was that Anderson and the coaching staff had a very hard time getting the players up for the bowl game. You could tell watching it that the energy level was non existent. The season ended for a bunch of our players on Dec 2nd.

(12-24-2017 11:01 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 09:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  A large portion of bowl games are won based on which team is interested and which team isn't.

Personally I can't buy this. No player wants to go out a loser. No player wants to waste his final college football experience giving zero effort. I can buy that some may feel their opponent is below them and they can sleep walk to a win.

Fans can be as disinterested as they want but players want to win.

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It's hard to not buy when you see more and more players choosing to sit out the bowl game to get ready for the NFL draft.

Rosen is sitting out for UCLA already.

(12-24-2017 10:24 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 10:00 PM)Hemi Man Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 09:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:56 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:06 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Not knocking the Bowl system. I never thought ECU winning or losing meant much at all. Just saying that Sun Belt is on par with Cusa whether the bowl games reflect that or not.

Lol...so an AAC guy coming here to tell us to know our place. You probably need to go back to your board and discuss your losing football team with the rest of your fans. Your opinion really means nothing.

He's right though. A large portion of bowl games are won based on which team is interested and which team isn't. We beat UCF last year primarily because they didn't care, and we did. This year, same situation happened to us in reverse.

They count towards the Final rankings, and we need to emphasize the wins we get, but there's a lot of fluky things that can happen with bowls.

This comes from page 1 of the book of excuses as to why you lost to an opponent that you as a fan thought was inferior.

Well, yes if you honestly feel like your opponent was inferior. It also applies strictly to other factors

Did SMU lose to La Tech because they felt La Tech was inferior, or because they had a head coach who had not coached the team previously?

In our case...our team was absolutely drained after Troy, felt the season was over and all their goals failed, and they showed up to play MTSU in that mindset. It's not that I think MTSU is inferior. We just had no desire to play any bowl game after the Troy game.

lol, Sure It was 42-3 in the first half and 51-10 final.

What was Navy, Arkansas State or Illinois excuse?