(12-12-2017 12:27 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 12:21 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:52 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 12:53 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  


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That’s for raising your glass for a toast honoring UCF!

P.S. keep up the good work on the basketball front.

Congrats on competing for a national championship!!! oh wait ...

(not a knock on UCF, but a knock on the fact that a team can go undefeated and still isn't considered for a national championship. Makes College Football completely unwatchable and meaningless to me)

Yup.

But it’s still bone-crushing, helmet-grinding, gut-punching football!!!!11

Hey Basketball can be pretty bone crushing too!

https://twitter.com/tayloreldridge/statu...76/video/1

I'll give UCF and Memphis a shoutout for a great fall season. They certainly deserve it (probably USF too). They were very competitive teams. Dilly Dilly

(12-12-2017 12:21 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:52 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  Thanks for raising your glass for a toast honoring UCF!

P.S. keep up the good work on the basketball front.

Congrats on competing for a national championship!!! oh wait ...

(not a knock on UCF, but a knock on the fact that a team can go undefeated and still isn't considered for a national championship. Makes College Football completely unwatchable and meaningless to me)

Football will always drive the bus. There's a reason people everywhere have heard of Boise State but not Wichita State. College basketball is big, don't get me wrong. It just gets absolutely dwarfed by college football.

While the AAC has some elite basketball schools, the basketball centrism left when the C8 split happened. Even then, it was the football-playing schools that had the greatest basketball success. In fact, there have only been like two, maybe three, schools in history to win NCAA basketball championships without having an active football team as well.

(12-12-2017 12:57 PM)Shockit Wrote:  I'll give UCF and Memphis a shoutout for a great fall season. They certainly deserve it. They were very competitive teams. Dilly Dilly

(12-12-2017 07:10 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 12:21 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:52 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  Thanks for raising your glass for a toast honoring UCF!

P.S. keep up the good work on the basketball front.

Congrats on competing for a national championship!!! oh wait ...

(not a knock on UCF, but a knock on the fact that a team can go undefeated and still isn't considered for a national championship. Makes College Football completely unwatchable and meaningless to me)

Football will always drive the bus. There's a reason people everywhere have heard of Boise State but not Wichita State.

Is this accurate? Because I doubt it.

(12-12-2017 07:10 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 12:21 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:52 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  Thanks for raising your glass for a toast honoring UCF!

P.S. keep up the good work on the basketball front.

Congrats on competing for a national championship!!! oh wait ...

(not a knock on UCF, but a knock on the fact that a team can go undefeated and still isn't considered for a national championship. Makes College Football completely unwatchable and meaningless to me)

Football will always drive the bus. There's a reason people everywhere have heard of Boise State but not Wichita State. College basketball is big, don't get me wrong. It just gets absolutely dwarfed by college football.

While the AAC has some elite basketball schools, the basketball centrism left when the C8 split happened. Even then, it was the football-playing schools that had the greatest basketball success. In fact, there have only been like two, maybe three, schools in history to win NCAA basketball championships without having an active football team as well.

Who's Boise State?

Boise is the gimmick Smurf team right?

Quote:There's a reason people everywhere have heard of Boise State but not Wichita State. College basketball is big, don't get me wrong. It just gets absolutely dwarfed by college football.

From personal experience I've had people say something like "Go Shockers" while I'm wearing WSU gear in just about every City I've visited. Not saying it's not dwarfed .. but not by as much as you are trying to say.

My original point was that college football is retarded because only a few teams have a chance to win a title no matter what they do during the year.

(12-12-2017 07:40 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Boise is the gimmick Smurf team right?

Quote:There's a reason people everywhere have heard of Boise State but not Wichita State. College basketball is big, don't get me wrong. It just gets absolutely dwarfed by college football.

From personal experience I've had people say something like "Go Shockers" while I'm wearing WSU gear in just about every City I've visited. Not saying it's not dwarfed .. but not by as much as you are trying to say.

My original point was that college football is retarded because only a few teams have a chance to win a title no matter what they do during the year.

Sorry, I didn't mean for it to come across as people not knowing at all about Wichita State. Any avid college basketball fan would likely know about Wichita State if they've been paying attention recently. Fact is, however, that your typical fan is not an avid observer like we are.

Also, the reason I said football drives the bus is because in terms of revenue, there is just no comparison. Schools with a football team have more revenue which will by nature seep into other sports. This is why it's typical of strong performing basketball programs to also have a football program.

(12-12-2017 07:59 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 07:40 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Boise is the gimmick Smurf team right?

Quote:There's a reason people everywhere have heard of Boise State but not Wichita State. College basketball is big, don't get me wrong. It just gets absolutely dwarfed by college football.

From personal experience I've had people say something like "Go Shockers" while I'm wearing WSU gear in just about every City I've visited. Not saying it's not dwarfed .. but not by as much as you are trying to say.

My original point was that college football is retarded because only a few teams have a chance to win a title no matter what they do during the year.

Sorry, I didn't mean for it to come across as people not knowing at all about Wichita State. Any avid college basketball fan would likely know about Wichita State if they've been paying attention recently. Fact is, however, that your typical fan is not an avid observer like we are.

Also, the reason I said football drives the bus is because in terms of revenue, there is just no comparison. Schools with a football team have more revenue which will by nature seep into other sports. This is why it's typical of strong performing basketball programs to also have a football program.

Revenue wise .. yes you are generally correct. My view is a bit skewed being a fan of a school that is the exception to the rule.

Also key to point out that costs for football are extremely high also. Most schools don't end up in the black

(12-12-2017 07:59 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 07:40 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Boise is the gimmick Smurf team right?

Quote:There's a reason people everywhere have heard of Boise State but not Wichita State. College basketball is big, don't get me wrong. It just gets absolutely dwarfed by college football.

From personal experience I've had people say something like "Go Shockers" while I'm wearing WSU gear in just about every City I've visited. Not saying it's not dwarfed .. but not by as much as you are trying to say.

My original point was that college football is retarded because only a few teams have a chance to win a title no matter what they do during the year.

Sorry, I didn't mean for it to come across as people not knowing at all about Wichita State. Any avid college basketball fan would likely know about Wichita State if they've been paying attention recently. Fact is, however, that your typical fan is not an avid observer like we are.

Also, the reason I said football drives the bus is because in terms of revenue, there is just no comparison. Schools with a football team have more revenue which will by nature seep into other sports. This is why it's typical of strong performing basketball programs to also have a football program.

Curious what the average football revenue is for schools that actually have a shot at the playoff.

(12-12-2017 08:17 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 07:59 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 07:40 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Boise is the gimmick Smurf team right?

Quote:There's a reason people everywhere have heard of Boise State but not Wichita State. College basketball is big, don't get me wrong. It just gets absolutely dwarfed by college football.

From personal experience I've had people say something like "Go Shockers" while I'm wearing WSU gear in just about every City I've visited. Not saying it's not dwarfed .. but not by as much as you are trying to say.

My original point was that college football is retarded because only a few teams have a chance to win a title no matter what they do during the year.

Sorry, I didn't mean for it to come across as people not knowing at all about Wichita State. Any avid college basketball fan would likely know about Wichita State if they've been paying attention recently. Fact is, however, that your typical fan is not an avid observer like we are.

Also, the reason I said football drives the bus is because in terms of revenue, there is just no comparison. Schools with a football team have more revenue which will by nature seep into other sports. This is why it's typical of strong performing basketball programs to also have a football program.

Curious what the average football revenue is for schools that actually have a shot at the playoff.

In terms of national exposure and TV ratings, a major bowl in football (so called NY6 bowl) is the equivalent of a Final Four game in basketball. The ratings are even higher for the NY6 bowls hosting the national semifinalists.

In terms of revenue, again, it's not close. UCF will receive $6M for playing in the Peach Bowl. This is a $4M payout plus $2M in travel expenses. The Wichita State Final Four trip actually ended up costing your school money.

(12-12-2017 08:44 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 08:17 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 07:59 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 07:40 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Boise is the gimmick Smurf team right?

Quote:There's a reason people everywhere have heard of Boise State but not Wichita State. College basketball is big, don't get me wrong. It just gets absolutely dwarfed by college football.

From personal experience I've had people say something like "Go Shockers" while I'm wearing WSU gear in just about every City I've visited. Not saying it's not dwarfed .. but not by as much as you are trying to say.

My original point was that college football is retarded because only a few teams have a chance to win a title no matter what they do during the year.

Sorry, I didn't mean for it to come across as people not knowing at all about Wichita State. Any avid college basketball fan would likely know about Wichita State if they've been paying attention recently. Fact is, however, that your typical fan is not an avid observer like we are.

Also, the reason I said football drives the bus is because in terms of revenue, there is just no comparison. Schools with a football team have more revenue which will by nature seep into other sports. This is why it's typical of strong performing basketball programs to also have a football program.

Curious what the average football revenue is for schools that actually have a shot at the playoff.

In terms of national exposure and TV ratings, a major bowl in football (so called NY6 bowl) is the equivalent of a Final Four game in basketball. The ratings are even higher for the NY6 bowls hosting the national semifinalists.

In terms of revenue, again, it's not close. UCF will receive $6M for playing in the Peach Bowl. This is a $4M payout plus $2M in travel expenses. The Wichita State Final Four trip actually ended up costing your school money.

That’s not what I asked.

I knew football guy would come in here and get his sphincter tightened.

No matter how you guys slice it, football will always be more relevant and it will always drive the bus. I get it. At Wichita State, basketball reigns supreme. That’s totally fine and many schools will make a great living that way. Just being real when I say it takes a back seat to college football. It’s nothing to take offense to. Just truth.

(12-12-2017 11:46 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  I knew football guy would come in here and get his sphincter tightened.

Lol! An objective observer might question exactly who’s sphincter is being puckered.

(12-12-2017 08:44 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 08:17 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 07:59 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 07:40 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Boise is the gimmick Smurf team right?

Quote:There's a reason people everywhere have heard of Boise State but not Wichita State. College basketball is big, don't get me wrong. It just gets absolutely dwarfed by college football.

From personal experience I've had people say something like "Go Shockers" while I'm wearing WSU gear in just about every City I've visited. Not saying it's not dwarfed .. but not by as much as you are trying to say.

My original point was that college football is retarded because only a few teams have a chance to win a title no matter what they do during the year.

Sorry, I didn't mean for it to come across as people not knowing at all about Wichita State. Any avid college basketball fan would likely know about Wichita State if they've been paying attention recently. Fact is, however, that your typical fan is not an avid observer like we are.

Also, the reason I said football drives the bus is because in terms of revenue, there is just no comparison. Schools with a football team have more revenue which will by nature seep into other sports. This is why it's typical of strong performing basketball programs to also have a football program.

Curious what the average football revenue is for schools that actually have a shot at the playoff.

In terms of national exposure and TV ratings, a major bowl in football (so called NY6 bowl) is the equivalent of a Final Four game in basketball. The ratings are even higher for the NY6 bowls hosting the national semifinalists.

In terms of revenue, again, it's not close. UCF will receive $6M for playing in the Peach Bowl. This is a $4M payout plus $2M in travel expenses. The Wichita State Final Four trip actually ended up costing your school money.

Hold on there Speed Racer. Fact check alert!!!

http://www.adweek.com/tv-video/ratings-d...me-168965/

Quote:Alabama's 45-40 victory over Clemson Monday night averaged 25.6 million viewers, tumbling 23 percent from last year's inaugural College Football Playoff National Championship, which stands as the top telecast in cable history. In terms of household rating—the metric by which advertising is sold for sports—the game decreased 21 percent to a 14.7. By way of comparison, CBS's coverage of Duke's victory over Wisconsin in the men's college basketball national championship game in April drew 28.3 million viewers.

The ratings decreases for the title game followed poor performances for the semifinal matchups on New Year's Eve. ESPN had to make good $20 million in ad spots. Neither game hit the 20 million viewer mark. Those makegoods ran during Monday's championship game and ESPN's telecast of the Houston Texans-Kansas City Chiefs NFL wild-card game on Saturday.

And regarding the Final Four costing us money...



It was worth over half a billion to our university. And I personally believe we are still reaping the benefits of that run to this day.


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(12-13-2017 06:04 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 11:46 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  I knew football guy would come in here and get his sphincter tightened.

Lol! An objective observer might question exactly who’s sphincter is being puckered.

Well considering this is a basketball thread...

Long season b holes, see you in Feb.

WSU "lost" (went over budget) something like $500K during the Final Four run. The value of the media exposure for the Final Four run was estimated at $555M.

http://www.wichita.edu/thisis/stories/story.asp?si=2426

WSU has played in 15 NCAA tournament games as of the F4 run and forward. Considering each of those games is an NCAA payout of (let's say, roughly) $1.65M, that's basically $25M.

The chart showing various sports revenues is cute, and is evidence why statistics without context are useless. Sure, the football average is high, but it has almost nothing to do in the context of the world of AAC schools. The AAC average for football revenues is $14.5M (median of $14.8M). The AAC average for MBB is $6.9M (median of $6.1M). So sure, there's a difference, but no where near what the chart indicates to the typical mouth-breather.

WSU MBB revenues are $8.7M, which comes in 3rd in conference, behind only UCONN and Memphis.

I recommend UCF fans enjoy their historic season (for both program and conference), and pray with a bowl win they might squeak into the top 10 of the final poll. We now have precedence for the question of what the nexus is for an AAC football program, if every single variable goes just right: A consolation prize and a participation ribbon. A really nice consolation prize and participation ribbon, but still nothing more. The CFB world says, “shucks... thanks for playing little guy, now let me get back to the playoffs for which you weren’t even in the conversation”.

WSU basketball fans will enjoy our current spot at #3 in the polls, and our narrative in the national media as a very real candidate for a F4 and national championship. Not the first or last for either, which is something that could be said in the hypothetical for nearly half of the MBB programs in the AAC.

#SPOTTHEDIFFERENCE

#DERPLOGIC

(12-13-2017 11:00 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  Long season b holes, see you in Feb.

Hey! There’s another Cincy fan that went MIA that has since found the way back after a W.