https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/94...4321246211


In the Birmingham suburbs:
Moore got almost 40k are votes less than Trump

Jones got 5k more than Clinton

There's your Dem win right there

(12-12-2017 11:05 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:53 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:41 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  No. Just no.

Jones won because of the child molestation allegations. Nothing else.

You think the black vote came out stronger today than for Obama's two presidential votes (at least that's what I read - I guess the official numbers won't be released for a few days) because of the sexual assault allegations?

You're smarter than that.

Minorities and young people do not want Trump's agenda. And they also could care less about Moore's agenda.

The way I interpret the numbers is the black vote will have a higher percentage than normal because so many white conservatives stayed at home.

I have a really hard time believing Doug Jones got more raw African American votes than Barack Obama

This. I’m a white conservative leaning libertarian who wasn’t motivated to even vote today. I know several others like me. I also know plenty of folks who couldn’t vote for Moore because of his political stunts.

I can see this.

To be perfectly honest, my Moore vote was not so much for Moore as against others—sticking my finger in the eye of the Washington squad.

That’s not generally a winning strategy. People vote for things and people.

(12-12-2017 11:08 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 11:05 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:53 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:41 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  No. Just no.

Jones won because of the child molestation allegations. Nothing else.

You think the black vote came out stronger today than for Obama's two presidential votes (at least that's what I read - I guess the official numbers won't be released for a few days) because of the sexual assault allegations?

You're smarter than that.

Minorities and young people do not want Trump's agenda. And they also could care less about Moore's agenda.

The way I interpret the numbers is the black vote will have a higher percentage than normal because so many white conservatives stayed at home.

I have a really hard time believing Doug Jones got more raw African American votes than Barack Obama

This. I’m a white conservative leaning libertarian who wasn’t motivated to even vote today. I know several others like me. I also know plenty of folks who couldn’t vote for Moore because of his political stunts.

I can see this.

To be perfectly honest, my Moore vote was not so much for Moore as against others.

That’s not generally a winning strategy. People vote for things and people.

Yep it's why Trump won

Conservatives and populists had someone they could support. Statists and liberals could only vote against someone

CNN just said its "possible" the writeins played a role in Moore's loss.

Aye ye ye

(12-12-2017 11:12 PM)solohawks Wrote:  CNN just said its "possible" the writeins played a role in Moore's loss.

Aye ye ye

I also know lots of folks who did a write in vote. I told a friend of mine I was writing her in if I had voted.

(12-12-2017 11:09 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 11:08 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 11:05 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:53 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  You think the black vote came out stronger today than for Obama's two presidential votes (at least that's what I read - I guess the official numbers won't be released for a few days) because of the sexual assault allegations?

You're smarter than that.

Minorities and young people do not want Trump's agenda. And they also could care less about Moore's agenda.

The way I interpret the numbers is the black vote will have a higher percentage than normal because so many white conservatives stayed at home.

I have a really hard time believing Doug Jones got more raw African American votes than Barack Obama

This. I’m a white conservative leaning libertarian who wasn’t motivated to even vote today. I know several others like me. I also know plenty of folks who couldn’t vote for Moore because of his political stunts.

I can see this.

To be perfectly honest, my Moore vote was not so much for Moore as against others.

That’s not generally a winning strategy. People vote for things and people.

Yep it's why Trump won

Conservatives and populists had someone they could support. Statists and liberals could only vote against someone

I thought the story on Trump was that many people were just voting against Hillary.

Trump Tweet --

Congratulations to Doug Jones on a hard fought victory. The write-in votes played a very big factor, but a win is a win. The people of Alabama are great, and the Republicans will have another shot at this seat in a very short period of time. It never ends!

Classy enough concession tweet. Some people here should take his lead and not be such sore losers.

(12-12-2017 11:08 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 11:05 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:53 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:41 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  No. Just no.

Jones won because of the child molestation allegations. Nothing else.

You think the black vote came out stronger today than for Obama's two presidential votes (at least that's what I read - I guess the official numbers won't be released for a few days) because of the sexual assault allegations?

You're smarter than that.

Minorities and young people do not want Trump's agenda. And they also could care less about Moore's agenda.

The way I interpret the numbers is the black vote will have a higher percentage than normal because so many white conservatives stayed at home.

I have a really hard time believing Doug Jones got more raw African American votes than Barack Obama

This. I’m a white conservative leaning libertarian who wasn’t motivated to even vote today. I know several others like me. I also know plenty of folks who couldn’t vote for Moore because of his political stunts.

I can see this.

To be perfectly honest, my Moore vote was not so much for Moore as against others—sticking my finger in the eye of the Washington squad.

That’s not generally a winning strategy. People vote for things and people.

Sadly I think we’re going to be using that losing strategy a lot more in the coming years.

(12-12-2017 11:01 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:47 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:46 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:41 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:30 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I personally feel this is more of an anti-Trump vote than an anti-Moore vote.

No. Just no.

Jones won because of the child molestation allegations. Nothing else.

It was my door-to-door canvassing (10 hours a day since Friday). I am very persuasive.

Bwahahahaha. You put work in. I hope you are joking

Nope. I put work in, just like I did for #FreeUAB. You can snark on the internet and let other people determine your future, or you can hit the streets and make a difference and take ownership of your own damned country.

You'll excuse me now, a hot chick is offering a bottle of Moscato d'Asti, for I am an elite snob and only drink the best bubbly stuff after destroying yet another set of bammer dreams.

Wow, that's so sad. Lmao

(12-12-2017 11:09 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Yep it's why Trump won

Conservatives and populists had someone they could support. Statists and liberals could only vote against someone

Trump got fewer votes in Michigan and Wisconsin than Bush in 2004 and Romney even though they lost both. Democrats couldn't stomach Hillary and stayed home, that opened the door for Trump to win since the Rust Belt and Florida decided he was the lesser of two evils.

(12-12-2017 10:10 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  truly amazing if dems pull this off.....

people should be scared more than ever before.....this was a monster defeat for DJT and corp.....

watch how the market reacts monday.....

Completely disagree with line 2..

It was not a monster defeat for Trump.. again, Trump really didn't like Strange (due to his comments), but did promote him over Moore (although he did throw in a back-handed statement at one point that probably hurt Strange)

I don't know how much, but I don't remember Trump standing out for Moore a lot?

Moore stuck his own foot in his mouth more than once during the campaign as well ("Blacks and browns and yellows and reds?"), and his wife didn't help out any either ("Our lawyer is a jew")

I still think the worry is more along the lines discussed in other threads.. don't expect to see anything more than MUDSLINGING as a political platform any more, particularly from the Democratic side of the spectrum (and I do expect to see an increase of it from the Republican side as well).

(12-13-2017 08:41 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:10 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  truly amazing if dems pull this off.....

people should be scared more than ever before.....this was a monster defeat for DJT and corp.....

watch how the market reacts monday.....

Completely disagree with line 2..

It was not a monster defeat for Trump.. again, Trump really didn't like Strange (due to his comments), but did promote him over Moore (although he did throw in a back-handed statement at one point that probably hurt Strange)

I don't know how much, but I don't remember Trump standing out for Moore a lot?

Moore stuck his own foot in his mouth more than once during the campaign as well ("Blacks and browns and yellows and reds?"), and his wife didn't help out any either ("Our lawyer is a jew")

I still think the worry is more along the lines discussed in other threads.. don't expect to see anything more than MUDSLINGING as a political platform any more, particularly from the Democratic side of the spectrum (and I do expect to see an increase of it from the Republican side as well).

it depends if one views from believing in the long term goals that DJT has in mind.....

losing that seat (where there were already 2 to 3 in the 'suspect' camp) only added to furthering the swamp of stagnation.....do you really believe Jones will vote across party line (rhetorical....not a snowballs)

maybe I'm wrong (again), but i only see this as fuel for a mudslinging festival of epic proportions during the midterms now.....

y'all can have fun debating more nonsense.....I stayed out of this bs for 34 eligible voting years for a reason.....

it's going to be very easy to slip back into those slippers.....

Moore was a bad candidate, even without the fake accusations. The guy thinks homos should be jailed and may be a segregationist. While these positions are inconsequential (they are unconstitutional and have no chance of becoming reality) and he would have been a rubber stamp for Trump, dems will always use these issues when possible as wedges to peel off soccer moms and as motivators to get blacks to the polls. The fake accusations probably put Jones over the top, but I think it would have been close anyway. If Jones were pro-life, he would have won by 20.

(12-13-2017 08:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 08:41 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:10 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  truly amazing if dems pull this off.....

people should be scared more than ever before.....this was a monster defeat for DJT and corp.....

watch how the market reacts monday.....

Completely disagree with line 2..

It was not a monster defeat for Trump.. again, Trump really didn't like Strange (due to his comments), but did promote him over Moore (although he did throw in a back-handed statement at one point that probably hurt Strange)

I don't know how much, but I don't remember Trump standing out for Moore a lot?

Moore stuck his own foot in his mouth more than once during the campaign as well ("Blacks and browns and yellows and reds?"), and his wife didn't help out any either ("Our lawyer is a jew")

I still think the worry is more along the lines discussed in other threads.. don't expect to see anything more than MUDSLINGING as a political platform any more, particularly from the Democratic side of the spectrum (and I do expect to see an increase of it from the Republican side as well).

it depends if one views from believing in the long term goals that DJT has in mind.....

losing that seat (where there were already 2 to 3 in the 'suspect' camp) only added to furthering the swamp of stagnation.....do you really believe Jones will vote across party line (rhetorical....not a snowballs)

maybe I'm wrong (again), but i only see this as fuel for a mudslinging festival of epic proportions during the midterms now.....

y'all can have fun debating more nonsense.....I stayed out of this bs for 34 eligible voting years for a reason.....

it's going to be very easy to slip back into those slippers.....

It really doesn't matter. Congress has something like 10% approval and the GOP establishment is just as bad as the dems. He's going to have to deal with the dems either way as long as Paul and Mitch are there. Long-term it is probably better if the dems win next year so the GOP can be rebuilt from within. Flake will be gone, Corker will be gone, McCain can't have much longer... these people need to go.

(12-13-2017 09:09 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 08:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 08:41 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:10 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  truly amazing if dems pull this off.....

people should be scared more than ever before.....this was a monster defeat for DJT and corp.....

watch how the market reacts monday.....

Completely disagree with line 2..

It was not a monster defeat for Trump.. again, Trump really didn't like Strange (due to his comments), but did promote him over Moore (although he did throw in a back-handed statement at one point that probably hurt Strange)

I don't know how much, but I don't remember Trump standing out for Moore a lot?

Moore stuck his own foot in his mouth more than once during the campaign as well ("Blacks and browns and yellows and reds?"), and his wife didn't help out any either ("Our lawyer is a jew")

I still think the worry is more along the lines discussed in other threads.. don't expect to see anything more than MUDSLINGING as a political platform any more, particularly from the Democratic side of the spectrum (and I do expect to see an increase of it from the Republican side as well).

it depends if one views from believing in the long term goals that DJT has in mind.....

losing that seat (where there were already 2 to 3 in the 'suspect' camp) only added to furthering the swamp of stagnation.....do you really believe Jones will vote across party line (rhetorical....not a snowballs)

maybe I'm wrong (again), but i only see this as fuel for a mudslinging festival of epic proportions during the midterms now.....

y'all can have fun debating more nonsense.....I stayed out of this bs for 34 eligible voting years for a reason.....

it's going to be very easy to slip back into those slippers.....

It really doesn't matter. Congress has something like 10% approval and the GOP establishment is just as bad as the dems. He's going to have to deal with the dems either way as long as Paul and Mitch are there. Long-term it is probably better if the dems win next year so the GOP can be rebuilt from within. Flake will be gone, Corker will be gone, McCain can't have much longer... these people need to go.

I don't disagree with any of that.....however, it's time for me to back out and go back to window shopping.....

it's time I take a "Mach" break......

the market is still solid (was wrong again....hell, I was so ripped last night I got the day wrong )

time to clear me head......

(12-13-2017 09:03 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Moore was a bad candidate, even without the fake accusations. The guy thinks homos should be jailed and may be a segregationist. While these positions are inconsequential (they are unconstitutional and have no chance of becoming reality) and he would have been a rubber stamp for Trump, dems will always use these issues when possible as wedges to peel off soccer moms and as motivators to get blacks to the polls. The fake accusations probably put Jones over the top, but I think it would have been close anyway. If Jones were pro-life, he would have won by 20.

And unless he becomes pro-life between now and then, he will lose by 20 in 2020.

I think this could be a good thing for republicans in the larger scheme of things. Moore would have been a millstone round their neck in the 2018 midterms. Now we can hope he is gone forever. And if they finally learn to quit nominating wackos in elections that they need to win, they will be much better off in the long run. And since the demise of the moderate democrat, they are the only thing between us an the collectivist/redistributionist (ok, say it, socialist/communist) democrat left.

(12-12-2017 11:01 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:47 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:46 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:41 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 10:30 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I personally feel this is more of an anti-Trump vote than an anti-Moore vote.

No. Just no.

Jones won because of the child molestation allegations. Nothing else.

It was my door-to-door canvassing (10 hours a day since Friday). I am very persuasive.

Bwahahahaha. You put work in. I hope you are joking

Nope. I put work in, just like I did for #FreeUAB. You can snark on the internet and let other people determine your future, or you can hit the streets and make a difference and take ownership of your own damned country.

You'll excuse me now, a hot chick is offering a bottle of Moscato d'Asti, for I am an elite snob and only drink the best bubbly stuff after destroying yet another set of bammer dreams.

This is some quality cringe.

(12-13-2017 09:19 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  And if they finally learn to quit nominating wackos in elections that they need to win, they will be much better off in the long run. And since the demise of the moderate democrat, they are the only thing between us an the collectivist/redistributionist (ok, say it, socialist/communist) democrat left.

LOL... you think Republicans will learn that Owl?

Hell, both sides are full of wackos, and they're just going to keep nominating wackos...