(02-02-2018 01:28 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Saban not being the best CFB coach?

I'm not sure you've been paying attention.

Saban is not winning crap at Kent St but a bunch of coaches can win an NC with AL roster which is the point. AL has landed the #1 class since 2011 and has never been outside the top five since he has been there IIRC. He lands the #10 class on average year after year like uga did quite often he is not winning the "NC" five times at AL. Sorta like he never did it at MSU and at LSU only once with little competition in the SEC west at the time. Amazing how as his recruiting classes went up from school to school so did his winning %....purely coincidental...

(02-02-2018 01:41 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 01:28 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Saban not being the best CFB coach?

I'm not sure you've been paying attention.

Saban is not winning crap at Kent St but a bunch of coaches can win an NC with AL roster which is the point. AL has landed the #1 class since 2011 and has never been outside the top five since he has been there IIRC. He lands the #10 class on average year after year like uga did quite often he is not winning the "NC" five times at AL. Sorta like he never did it at MSU and at LSU only once with little competition in the SEC west at the time. Amazing how as his recruiting classes went up from school to school so did his winning %....purely coincidental...

The reason Saban will be in the college football history books is because is the ultra rare combination of elite coach, elite recruiter and elite program manager.
People forget that his first head coaching job was a single season at Toledo, where he went 9-2 withe two losses by a combined five points. He went to the Browns as the DC the following season.

(02-02-2018 01:28 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 01:26 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 11:16 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-30-2018 10:08 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  38. We’ve beat you six out of the last seven games with lower recruiting rankings. So yeah it’s a crap shoot.

27. I found an outlier that proves the whole system is flawed, and I've ignored the other 99% of that disproves my point.

and there it is...

Wins on the field prove all other data irrelevant. You can celebrate your title in February, we enjoy celebrating ours during the football season.

You play to win the game.

Thanks Herm 2.0, 27. in full effect! 2 teams out of 130 that are probably well within 10 spots are far as rated talent proves the typical results of the other 130 teams wrong...I mean you cant make this up lol. Again who has App beaten of note that had a significant talent advantage?

Appholes get sensitive when they drop in the rankings I see lol. Nobody in the Belt has separated themselves as far as a significant talent gap for the top teams? Not alot of difference in 90t and 95th in the country guy or can you read? If we were ranked like a top AAC team and you beat us you might have a coherent point but still only two teams out of 130. Said it a million times our conference finish is basically top half and bottom half the Sun Belt nationally is typically grouped tightly together. The standings usually reflect that as well. Same for conference ratings as the AAC is at the top and the Belt is at the bottom for now. That is not due to just coaching and development it is talent.

Troy is killing it this year but has not consistently done so if they put four classes like that together then there will be a talent gap of significance. If they drop back down into the low 90's they are right back with everyone else. You morons want to make it sound like if one team finishes one spot ahead in the rankings and does not win the system is junk lol. Im gonna go with what is typical for 130 teams not just two teams that are rivals and one had an all time bad coach.

Someone appears to be sensitive with their record.

Seems like some here are arguing that they have beaten App consistently in recruiting rankings. This appears to be backtracking due to results of the field not supporting that theory.

So now what you're saying is the rankings error rate is +/- 10 and everyone is the same. What a waste of time if that's your point now.

(02-02-2018 01:59 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 01:28 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 01:26 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 11:16 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-30-2018 10:08 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  38. We’ve beat you six out of the last seven games with lower recruiting rankings. So yeah it’s a crap shoot.

27. I found an outlier that proves the whole system is flawed, and I've ignored the other 99% of that disproves my point.

and there it is...

Wins on the field prove all other data irrelevant. You can celebrate your title in February, we enjoy celebrating ours during the football season.

You play to win the game.

Thanks Herm 2.0, 27. in full effect! 2 teams out of 130 that are probably well within 10 spots are far as rated talent proves the typical results of the other 130 teams wrong...I mean you cant make this up lol. Again who has App beaten of note that had a significant talent advantage?

Appholes get sensitive when they drop in the rankings I see lol. Nobody in the Belt has separated themselves as far as a significant talent gap for the top teams? Not alot of difference in 90t and 95th in the country guy or can you read? If we were ranked like a top AAC team and you beat us you might have a coherent point but still only two teams out of 130. Said it a million times our conference finish is basically top half and bottom half the Sun Belt nationally is typically grouped tightly together. The standings usually reflect that as well. Same for conference ratings as the AAC is at the top and the Belt is at the bottom for now. That is not due to just coaching and development it is talent.

Troy is killing it this year but has not consistently done so if they put four classes like that together then there will be a talent gap of significance. If they drop back down into the low 90's they are right back with everyone else. You morons want to make it sound like if one team finishes one spot ahead in the rankings and does not win the system is junk lol. Im gonna go with what is typical for 130 teams not just two teams that are rivals and one had an all time bad coach.

Someone appears to be sensitive with their record.

Seems like some here are arguing that they have beaten App consistently in recruiting rankings. This appears to be backtracking due to results of the field not supporting that theory.

So now what you're saying is the rankings error rate is +/- 10 and everyone is the same. What a waste of time if that's your point now.

I think the point is if you have 10 red apples and 1 green apple, the apples are not green.

(02-02-2018 01:41 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 01:28 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Saban not being the best CFB coach?

I'm not sure you've been paying attention.

Saban is not winning crap at Kent St but a bunch of coaches can win an NC with AL roster which is the point.

Cool story.. too bad you can prove any of these hypotheticals.

Recruiting is apart of the coaching equation, so there is no denying the impact.. but don't confuse that with being the ONLY reason for one's success. I know that might be difficult for you to grasp.

Let us not forget he coached and won titles while playing in conference against multiple NC Coaches (Meyer, Malzahn, Chizik, Miles) and OOC games(Fisher, Swinney). Notice... all these coaches had top NFL talent.

What you fail to recognize is amount of work it takes for a coaching staff to maintain a high level of success... you can see it in a few year bursts sometimes and Saban has done it for 10 year. Saban is the reason coaches with winning records in the SEC are let go.. think about that for a second.

With a winning % of .868 at Alabama... I'm sure its just the players and any competent coach could have his level of success.

Hate to break it to you guys, but Saban is the most successful CFB coach ever. I think their are better coaches than him, but they aren’t at destination programs like Alabama. I think Dabo is a better coach and almost as good a recruiter.

(02-02-2018 12:20 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  Summary of where Georgia Southern is right now heading into the final weekend.

http://www.forgotten5.com/2018/02/02/wee...hern-look/

I'm sorry, but nobody decommits from Tenn to go to GA Southern. NOBODY. Griffin was headed to App until Woody at GATech offered him. Game, set & match on that deal.

(02-02-2018 01:27 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 11:09 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 09:05 AM)ComeBackShack Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 11:15 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 06:56 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

I'll take our low 3 star and 2 star players and the conference championships and bowl wins they produce over some arbitrary "win" in recruiting rankings.

Good recruits with bad coaching means absolutely nothing. Now a semi competent coach, with good recruits can mean the world. Saban isn’t the best coach but he absolutely is the best recruiter.

Saban isn't that good of a coach??! He is the best coach in the history of college football. How many other coaches with his roster lose that game to Georgia after going down early? How many coaches pull their QB mid-game and win with a true freshman? 1...and it's Saban.

I'll have to agree with my goat loving rival. UGA has had a top 12 recruiting class EVERY YEAR for the past 12+ years and ZERO National Championships along with the majority of HC in college football. Saban is an excellent recruiter (but so are many programs) yet all those other colleges fail to win National Championships.

I simply said Saban isn’t the best coach, and I meant as far as in game management. Sabans staff has always been filled head coach quality assistants. Brian Daboll had been arguing with Saban to put Tua in for at least half of the season, what you saw was a head coach give into his OC.

Also Alabama has had the top class every year since 2011, UGAs top 12 classes are not the same. There is a big difference.

so who gets credit for putting together staffs made of quality assistants? Being a head coach isn't just about calling plays.

That's like saying a Qb isn't good because he can't throw it 60 yards in the air. Way more to a position than just that.

(02-02-2018 01:59 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 01:28 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 01:26 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 11:16 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-30-2018 10:08 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  38. We’ve beat you six out of the last seven games with lower recruiting rankings. So yeah it’s a crap shoot.

27. I found an outlier that proves the whole system is flawed, and I've ignored the other 99% of that disproves my point.

and there it is...

Wins on the field prove all other data irrelevant. You can celebrate your title in February, we enjoy celebrating ours during the football season.

You play to win the game.

Thanks Herm 2.0, 27. in full effect! 2 teams out of 130 that are probably well within 10 spots are far as rated talent proves the typical results of the other 130 teams wrong...I mean you cant make this up lol. Again who has App beaten of note that had a significant talent advantage?

Appholes get sensitive when they drop in the rankings I see lol. Nobody in the Belt has separated themselves as far as a significant talent gap for the top teams? Not alot of difference in 90t and 95th in the country guy or can you read? If we were ranked like a top AAC team and you beat us you might have a coherent point but still only two teams out of 130. Said it a million times our conference finish is basically top half and bottom half the Sun Belt nationally is typically grouped tightly together. The standings usually reflect that as well. Same for conference ratings as the AAC is at the top and the Belt is at the bottom for now. That is not due to just coaching and development it is talent.

Troy is killing it this year but has not consistently done so if they put four classes like that together then there will be a talent gap of significance. If they drop back down into the low 90's they are right back with everyone else. You morons want to make it sound like if one team finishes one spot ahead in the rankings and does not win the system is junk lol. Im gonna go with what is typical for 130 teams not just two teams that are rivals and one had an all time bad coach.

Someone appears to be sensitive with their record.

Seems like some here are arguing that they have beaten App consistently in recruiting rankings. This appears to be backtracking due to results of the field not supporting that theory.

So now what you're saying is the rankings error rate is +/- 10 and everyone is the same. What a waste of time if that's your point now.

I have never bragged we beat anyone in rankings you App holes just seem to get your panties in a wad when ANY team has some good news. News flash also genius you have beaten in either class or per recruit avg twice since 2014 so I dont know where you get App has always been beaten by GS since we moved up. We have had ONE class to lane well above the top Sun Belt teams then followed it up with a crappy one so OVERALL talent still just at the top of the Belt.

If you are closer to the 70's like a lot of AAC team vs the 90's like most Sun Belt teams it shows on the field again it is not magic coach hiring why they are the top rated G5 and we are one of the lowest rated G5. Like how you stretched 90 and 95th to 10 spots also, nice one. App math got to love it. I see you are not going to ever name one team App has beaten that had a significant talent advantage because you have not.

I fully admit you have owned us it is what it is I get mad at horrible hires and our AD but why get mad at App? Just like GaSt has the last three years but NEVER have I said GS has any significant talent advantage over any of the upper Sun Belt teams. Actually have said the opposite over and over. You dont have anything but hyperbole, bad math and shoving words in somebodies mouth to try and make a point it is sad. Again there are 130 teams in the FBS and recruiting rankings look a lot like actual rankings and that is not a coincidence. And again it is not 100% but a very reliable INDICATOR on how a team will LIKLEY perform not a crystal ball....If not please explain to me if the G5 recruit rankings are garbage why does the AAC finish first every year in recruit rankings and G5 rankings and the Sun Belt does not, or the MAC or the MW for that matter just pure luck in coaching hires I guess right...

There are published actual studies done on this by folks a lot smarter than you or I take time to inform yourself instead of the record of two pretty even rivals out of 130 teams. Why didnt you beat Wake last year BTW since these rankings dont matter? Their coach that much better?

https://www.researchgate.net/publication...nd_Winning

Regression analysis indicates that for teams in the SEC, the Big Ten, and the Big Twelve, 63% to 80% of a team's success in their respective conference can be attributed to successful recruiting practices. The implications that these findings have on recruiting budgets and on the path to winning on the field are presented.

College Football Success: The Relationship Between Recruiting and Winning | Request PDF. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication...nd_Winning [accessed Feb 02 2018].

(02-02-2018 04:12 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 12:20 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  Summary of where Georgia Southern is right now heading into the final weekend.

http://www.forgotten5.com/2018/02/02/wee...hern-look/

I'm sorry, but nobody decommits from Tenn to go to GA Southern. NOBODY. Griffin was headed to App until Woody at GATech offered him. Game, set & match on that deal.

Yet that is what his timeline reads....must have committed a felony recently.

(02-02-2018 04:14 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 01:27 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 11:09 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 09:05 AM)ComeBackShack Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 11:15 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  Good recruits with bad coaching means absolutely nothing. Now a semi competent coach, with good recruits can mean the world. Saban isn’t the best coach but he absolutely is the best recruiter.

Saban isn't that good of a coach??! He is the best coach in the history of college football. How many other coaches with his roster lose that game to Georgia after going down early? How many coaches pull their QB mid-game and win with a true freshman? 1...and it's Saban.

I'll have to agree with my goat loving rival. UGA has had a top 12 recruiting class EVERY YEAR for the past 12+ years and ZERO National Championships along with the majority of HC in college football. Saban is an excellent recruiter (but so are many programs) yet all those other colleges fail to win National Championships.

I simply said Saban isn’t the best coach, and I meant as far as in game management. Sabans staff has always been filled head coach quality assistants. Brian Daboll had been arguing with Saban to put Tua in for at least half of the season, what you saw was a head coach give into his OC.

Also Alabama has had the top class every year since 2011, UGAs top 12 classes are not the same. There is a big difference.

so who gets credit for putting together staffs made of quality assistants? Being a head coach isn't just about calling plays.

That's like saying a Qb isn't good because he can't throw it 60 yards in the air. Way more to a position than just that.

I was talking about in game coaching. His staff management and recruiting is by far the best of all time.

(02-02-2018 04:12 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 12:20 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  Summary of where Georgia Southern is right now heading into the final weekend.

http://www.forgotten5.com/2018/02/02/wee...hern-look/

I'm sorry, but nobody decommits from Tenn to go to GA Southern. NOBODY. Griffin was headed to App until Woody at GATech offered him. Game, set & match on that deal.

He was Tennessee's 3rd lowest rated recruit. It's very possible Tennessee is trying to make room for some better athlete's and urged him to decommit. Happens all the time. Either way, I'm not sure Tennessee tried very hard to keep him as they have zero focus on defensive backs this year.

A lot of words up there, on tilt.

(02-02-2018 04:12 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 12:20 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  Summary of where Georgia Southern is right now heading into the final weekend.

http://www.forgotten5.com/2018/02/02/wee...hern-look/

I'm sorry, but nobody decommits from Tenn to go to GA Southern. NOBODY. Griffin was headed to App until Woody at GATech offered him. Game, set & match on that deal.

In this case it's possible with the **** show they had during the coaching transition and there's a possibility the new staff hasn't really paid much attention to him.

I'd say you're right normally but there's some circumstances with this situation where I could see it being plausible.

(02-02-2018 05:38 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 01:59 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 01:28 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 01:26 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 11:16 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  27. I found an outlier that proves the whole system is flawed, and I've ignored the other 99% of that disproves my point.

and there it is...

Wins on the field prove all other data irrelevant. You can celebrate your title in February, we enjoy celebrating ours during the football season.

You play to win the game.

Thanks Herm 2.0, 27. in full effect! 2 teams out of 130 that are probably well within 10 spots are far as rated talent proves the typical results of the other 130 teams wrong...I mean you cant make this up lol. Again who has App beaten of note that had a significant talent advantage?

Appholes get sensitive when they drop in the rankings I see lol. Nobody in the Belt has separated themselves as far as a significant talent gap for the top teams? Not alot of difference in 90t and 95th in the country guy or can you read? If we were ranked like a top AAC team and you beat us you might have a coherent point but still only two teams out of 130. Said it a million times our conference finish is basically top half and bottom half the Sun Belt nationally is typically grouped tightly together. The standings usually reflect that as well. Same for conference ratings as the AAC is at the top and the Belt is at the bottom for now. That is not due to just coaching and development it is talent.

Troy is killing it this year but has not consistently done so if they put four classes like that together then there will be a talent gap of significance. If they drop back down into the low 90's they are right back with everyone else. You morons want to make it sound like if one team finishes one spot ahead in the rankings and does not win the system is junk lol. Im gonna go with what is typical for 130 teams not just two teams that are rivals and one had an all time bad coach.

Someone appears to be sensitive with their record.

Seems like some here are arguing that they have beaten App consistently in recruiting rankings. This appears to be backtracking due to results of the field not supporting that theory.

So now what you're saying is the rankings error rate is +/- 10 and everyone is the same. What a waste of time if that's your point now.

I have never bragged we beat anyone in rankings you App holes just seem to get your panties in a wad when ANY team has some good news. News flash also genius you have beaten in either class or per recruit avg twice since 2014 so I dont know where you get App has always been beaten by GS since we moved up. We have had ONE class to lane well above the top Sun Belt teams then followed it up with a crappy one so OVERALL talent still just at the top of the Belt.

If you are closer to the 70's like a lot of AAC team vs the 90's like most Sun Belt teams it shows on the field again it is not magic coach hiring why they are the top rated G5 and we are one of the lowest rated G5. Like how you stretched 90 and 95th to 10 spots also, nice one. App math got to love it. I see you are not going to ever name one team App has beaten that had a significant talent advantage because you have not.

I fully admit you have owned us it is what it is I get mad at horrible hires and our AD but why get mad at App? Just like GaSt has the last three years but NEVER have I said GS has any significant talent advantage over any of the upper Sun Belt teams. Actually have said the opposite over and over. You dont have anything but hyperbole, bad math and shoving words in somebodies mouth to try and make a point it is sad. Again there are 130 teams in the FBS and recruiting rankings look a lot like actual rankings and that is not a coincidence. And again it is not 100% but a very reliable INDICATOR on how a team will LIKLEY perform not a crystal ball....If not please explain to me if the G5 recruit rankings are garbage why does the AAC finish first every year in recruit rankings and G5 rankings and the Sun Belt does not, or the MAC or the MW for that matter just pure luck in coaching hires I guess right...

There are published actual studies done on this by folks a lot smarter than you or I take time to inform yourself instead of the record of two pretty even rivals out of 130 teams. Why didnt you beat Wake last year BTW since these rankings dont matter? Their coach that much better?

https://www.researchgate.net/publication...nd_Winning

Regression analysis indicates that for teams in the SEC, the Big Ten, and the Big Twelve, 63% to 80% of a team's success in their respective conference can be attributed to successful recruiting practices. The implications that these findings have on recruiting budgets and on the path to winning on the field are presented.

College Football Success: The Relationship Between Recruiting and Winning | Request PDF. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication...nd_Winning [accessed Feb 02 2018].

This article is focused on the P5 and primarily teams that played for the national championship. It's easy to see the talent level of the top guys. Once it gets into the 2 & 3 group you can pretty much put em all in a bucket and grab one out. Dozens of coaches have told me they pay no attention to these rankings. They are not going to rely on some unknown person sitting in front of a computer screen to guide their recruiting efforts. The reality is these rankings are to sell website subscriptions just so fans can do exactly what is going on in this thread. I am amazed that so-called intelligent people get so caught up in this charade.

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(02-02-2018 09:19 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 04:12 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 12:20 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  Summary of where Georgia Southern is right now heading into the final weekend.

http://www.forgotten5.com/2018/02/02/wee...hern-look/

I'm sorry, but nobody decommits from Tenn to go to GA Southern. NOBODY. Griffin was headed to App until Woody at GATech offered him. Game, set & match on that deal.

He was Tennessee's 3rd lowest rated recruit. It's very possible Tennessee is trying to make room for some better athlete's and urged him to decommit. Happens all the time. Either way, I'm not sure Tennessee tried very hard to keep him as they have zero focus on defensive backs this year.

I'd say you're right on the money.

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Cajuns pick up a 3 star CB Eric Garror
https://247sports.com/Player/Eric-Garror-46051482

Cajuns pick up 3 Star DT Timaje Porter.
https://247sports.com/Player/Timaje-Porter-88389

Cajuns add 4 Star grad transfer Gerrald McDowell
https://247sports.com/player/garrald-mcdowell-21453

(02-04-2018 12:45 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  Cajuns pick up a 3 star CB Eric Garror
https://247sports.com/Player/Eric-Garror-46051482

Cajuns pick up 3 Star DT Timaje Porter.
https://247sports.com/Player/Timaje-Porter-88389

Cajuns add 4 Star grad transfer Gerrald McDowell
https://247sports.com/player/garrald-mcdowell-21453

Not looking forward to that at all. DT is probably the easiest position to take over an entire game from. Good additions.

(02-04-2018 02:26 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 12:45 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  Cajuns pick up a 3 star CB Eric Garror
https://247sports.com/Player/Eric-Garror-46051482

Cajuns pick up 3 Star DT Timaje Porter.
https://247sports.com/Player/Timaje-Porter-88389

Cajuns add 4 Star grad transfer Gerrald McDowell
https://247sports.com/player/garrald-mcdowell-21453

Not looking forward to that at all. DT is probably the easiest position to take over an entire game from. Good additions.

We are on another 4 Star DT, but it looks like he will end up at Tenn or Ark. He was one of Napier’s recruits while at Arizona St. we are also still in the mix for another 3 Star LB, DE and DT. But out of those three it looks like the DE is the only one we have a legit shot at.

I believe we have a 3 star JC defensive tackle commit but they are being very quiet about it. We also have a great shot at a 6-4, 250lb. DE that's a 3 star who has narrowed it down to the Cajuns and another program. I know that everyone else in the league had early signings but here's hoping every SBC program holds onto their commits. We need great players in this Conference to have great teams. Good luck to all.