Damn fine Sunday reading, with quite a catchy title. I didn't realize many of the details of Louisville's deal making, but one stands out and certainly resonates with Cincinnati residents - the KFC Yum Center could eventually cost taxpayers $1 billion. Ouch. And Jurich makes himself out as some sort of martyr.

(12-10-2017 11:23 AM)geef Wrote:  Damn fine Sunday reading, with quite a catchy title. I didn't realize many of the details of Louisville's deal making, but one stands out and certainly resonates with Cincinnati residents - the KFC Yum Center could eventually cost taxpayers $1 billion. Ouch. And Jurich makes himself out as some sort of martyr.

and we all marveled at what they'd built.
Guess it wasn't all PapaJohn's donated money.
sold their souls for bags of gold — fleeced the taxpayers, the UofL foundation, and UofL students
#dirtybirds

(12-10-2017 11:56 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 11:23 AM)geef Wrote:  Damn fine Sunday reading, with quite a catchy title. I didn't realize many of the details of Louisville's deal making, but one stands out and certainly resonates with Cincinnati residents - the KFC Yum Center could eventually cost taxpayers $1 billion. Ouch. And Jurich makes himself out as some sort of martyr.

and we all marveled at what they'd built.
Guess it wasn't all PapaJohn's donated money.
sold their souls for bags of gold — fleeced the taxpayers, the UofL foundation, and UofL students
#dirtybirds

They can also marvel at their scandals and high character hires ala Jurich, Pitino and Petrino. RIP.

Good thing the ACC is going to kick them out...

not.

Like in many stories, the lesson here is that being dirty pays off if you have enough money.

20 years from now, will anyone care about these scandels? They got themselves into the ACC and got a national title in hoops and a Heisman winner out of it, which will set them up for years to come. In many ways Louisville and UC are mirror images of each other, that took two completely different projectories with a different set of morals.

"Told about the frustrations expressed by several professors, Jurich wonders why some academic departments can't rebuild themselves in the same way he built up the athletic department. "They couldn't have gone out and raised money?" he says. "Why is it I'm accountable for everything and all we've done is been successful? But these other people get a free pass? If I was a humanities professor, do you think I'd sit there and say, 'Man, I can't get it done, poor me'? I'd never say that. I'd go find a way to get it done."

This just in: The FBI has reported that Adidas gave $100,000 dollars to the parents of a prospective philosophy student to lure him to the University of Cincinnati. "Forget that greatest-good-for-the-greatest- number John Stewart Mill crap," said an Adidas spokesperson. "We want to build UC's Philosophy Department into a national powerhouse, and the best way to do that is to attract the world's best potential philosophy majors. We're putting our money on those few elite kids rather than spreading it around for the benefit of the great unwashed who may also aspire to a career in philosophy."

The report also noted that a bunch of philosophy professors on campus have been seen wearing new Adidas sneakers.

In a related story, Nike just ponied up $4 million to refurbish the geology lab on UC's campus. It's been reported that some geology professors also have been showing off their new Nike apparel to rivals in the Geography Department, which hasn't secured a deal of its own. The head of the Geography Department hopes for a similar deal from Under Armor, but he was forced to admit that the department would have no use for a $4 million lab, since geography really just conducts what some have called "research into the obvious." He added, though, that some new sweatshirts and maybe some new socks for faculty members would be nice, since all are grossly underpaid.

(12-10-2017 12:17 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  Good thing the ACC is going to kick them out...

not.

Like in many stories, the lesson here is that being dirty pays off if you have enough money.

This.

20 years ago Louisville athletics mirrored UC athletics. In many ways we were ahead of them. Today they have a ton of hardware and are a household name.

At the end of the day, despite the embarrassment they are going through, they will remain in the ACC and be a national player in both revenue sports m, while we will still be broke as hell in the AAC.

Horrible institution and an indictment of everything wrong with American higher education. And for all their "success," they're still taking subsidies from the students and academic side.

Honestly, I'm really shocked that some here are looking at UL with some kind of "wish we'd done it" viewpoint. This so-called university has literally saddled taxpayers with a billion dollar tab. It, most likely illegally, siphoned money from an already meager endowment to build its AD. Is Louisville seriously any more respectable as a university than before any of this madness? No. Now, it's just a ****** commuter school that bought its way into a P5 conference with likely disastrous results in the near and possibly long term. UL isn't something to be admired. As its house of cards collapses, it's something to be viewed as a cautionary tale when an obsession with rising into the upper ranks of college athletics clouds any institutional judgement and morality regarding why a university exists in the first place.

Cheating pays...at least in college sports

Its proven over and over again.

(12-10-2017 12:50 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  Horrible institution and an indictment of everything wrong with American higher education. And for all their "success," they're still taking subsidies from the students and academic side.

Honestly, I'm really shocked that some here are looking at UL with some kind of "wish we'd done it" viewpoint. This so-called university has literally saddled taxpayers with a billion dollar tab. It, most likely illegally, siphoned money from an already meager endowment to build its AD. Is Louisville seriously any more respectable as a university than before any of this madness? No. Now, it's just a ****** commuter school that bought its way into a P5 conference with likely disastrous results in the near and possibly long term. UL isn't something to be admired. As its house of cards collapses, it's something to be viewed as a cautionary tale when an obsession with rising into the upper ranks of college athletics clouds any institutional judgement and morality regarding why a university exists in the first place.

Well put. Louisiville can wallow in their great institution for years to come for all I care. No money is worth your public reputation and integrity.

(12-10-2017 12:30 PM)jarr Wrote:  20 years from now, will anyone care about these scandels? They got themselves into the ACC and got a national title in hoops and a Heisman winner out of it

National title is being vacated, isn't it?

(12-10-2017 01:49 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 12:30 PM)jarr Wrote:  20 years from now, will anyone care about these scandels? They got themselves into the ACC and got a national title in hoops and a Heisman winner out of it

National title is being vacated, isn't it?

No way that will stand. They'll sue and get it back just like Penn St.

(12-10-2017 01:49 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 12:30 PM)jarr Wrote:  20 years from now, will anyone care about these scandels? They got themselves into the ACC and got a national title in hoops and a Heisman winner out of it

National title is being vacated, isn't it?

Vacated or not, everyone will always remember it. College football is about mindshare, to our chagrin.

I have to admit that when then went to "academic" people to complain about the athletic department, they took the head of the Pan-African Studies Department and an associate professor women's and gender studies and art history.

Do they have an actual useful majors there?

(12-10-2017 03:03 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I have to admit that when then went to "academic" people to complain about the athletic department, they took the head of the Pan-African Studies Department and an associate professor women's and gender studies and art history.

Do they have an actual useful majors there?

You just cited a few useful majors. I'm sure you can find the entire list on the university's website if you honestly care.

(12-10-2017 12:37 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 12:17 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  Good thing the ACC is going to kick them out...

not.

Like in many stories, the lesson here is that being dirty pays off if you have enough money.

This.

20 years ago Louisville athletics mirrored UC athletics. In many ways we were ahead of them. Today they have a ton of hardware and are a household name.

At the end of the day, despite the embarrassment they are going through, they will remain in the ACC and be a national player in both revenue sports m, while we will still be broke as hell in the AAC.

Bob Goin, with the support of Joe Steger, did whatever it took to get UC into the Big East. They understood, found a way, and made it happen.

Since then, self-promoting carnival barkers and snowflakes have done irreparable harm. Enjoying UC athletics these last few months? Anyone? Anyone?

Sad that a AA soccer team has captured the imagination of the city.

(12-10-2017 11:23 AM)geef Wrote:  Damn fine Sunday reading, with quite a catchy title. I didn't realize many of the details of Louisville's deal making, but one stands out and certainly resonates with Cincinnati residents - the KFC Yum Center could eventually cost taxpayers $1 billion. Ouch. And Jurich makes himself out as some sort of martyr.

Probably a worse deal for Louisville than PBS is for Hamilton County.

(12-10-2017 12:50 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  Horrible institution and an indictment of everything wrong with American higher education. And for all their "success," they're still taking subsidies from the students and academic side.

Honestly, I'm really shocked that some here are looking at UL with some kind of "wish we'd done it" viewpoint. This so-called university has literally saddled taxpayers with a billion dollar tab. It, most likely illegally, siphoned money from an already meager endowment to build its AD. Is Louisville seriously any more respectable as a university than before any of this madness? No. Now, it's just a ****** commuter school that bought its way into a P5 conference with likely disastrous results in the near and possibly long term. UL isn't something to be admired. As its house of cards collapses, it's something to be viewed as a cautionary tale when an obsession with rising into the upper ranks of college athletics clouds any institutional judgement and morality regarding why a university exists in the first place.

Despite lack of institutional control, UL’s endowment is not meager. It’s over $700m and I believe it has been growing more quickly than UC’s.

(12-11-2017 05:26 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 12:50 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  Horrible institution and an indictment of everything wrong with American higher education. And for all their "success," they're still taking subsidies from the students and academic side.

Honestly, I'm really shocked that some here are looking at UL with some kind of "wish we'd done it" viewpoint. This so-called university has literally saddled taxpayers with a billion dollar tab. It, most likely illegally, siphoned money from an already meager endowment to build its AD. Is Louisville seriously any more respectable as a university than before any of this madness? No. Now, it's just a ****** commuter school that bought its way into a P5 conference with likely disastrous results in the near and possibly long term. UL isn't something to be admired. As its house of cards collapses, it's something to be viewed as a cautionary tale when an obsession with rising into the upper ranks of college athletics clouds any institutional judgement and morality regarding why a university exists in the first place.

Despite lack of institutional control, UL’s endowment is not meager. It’s over $700m and I believe it has been growing more quickly than UC’s.

Saw recently ours is now up to $1.3m.

(12-11-2017 07:08 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 05:26 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 12:50 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  Horrible institution and an indictment of everything wrong with American higher education. And for all their "success," they're still taking subsidies from the students and academic side.

Honestly, I'm really shocked that some here are looking at UL with some kind of "wish we'd done it" viewpoint. This so-called university has literally saddled taxpayers with a billion dollar tab. It, most likely illegally, siphoned money from an already meager endowment to build its AD. Is Louisville seriously any more respectable as a university than before any of this madness? No. Now, it's just a ****** commuter school that bought its way into a P5 conference with likely disastrous results in the near and possibly long term. UL isn't something to be admired. As its house of cards collapses, it's something to be viewed as a cautionary tale when an obsession with rising into the upper ranks of college athletics clouds any institutional judgement and morality regarding why a university exists in the first place.

Despite lack of institutional control, UL’s endowment is not meager. It’s over $700m and I believe it has been growing more quickly than UC’s.

Saw recently ours is now up to $1.3m.

You mean $1.3 billion