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RE: ESPN potentially buying Fox Regional Network
(12-07-2017 10:31 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 10:17 AM)EagleX Wrote:  that's not exactly what the story says. it's not even what the headline says. it says that disney may be looking at the regionals (as well as other assets from 21st century fox) in order to boost espn, which is having issue galore these days. these are very different things.

espn couldn't buy lunch right now.

ESPN could buy every adult American lunch on one month's revenue.

ESPN is profitable and could lose a lot more subscribers and still be profitable.

ESPN's issue is the ROI has been declining.

one last thing; measuring revenue can be deceiving. making billions of dollars doesn't help anything if it takes many billions it make it.

their net profit is down 10%. their stock is dragging. these are causes for alarm.
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(12-07-2017 11:02 AM)EagleX Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 10:31 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 10:17 AM)EagleX Wrote:  that's not exactly what the story says. it's not even what the headline says. it says that disney may be looking at the regionals (as well as other assets from 21st century fox) in order to boost espn, which is having issue galore these days. these are very different things.

espn couldn't buy lunch right now.

ESPN could buy every adult American lunch on one month's revenue.

ESPN is profitable and could lose a lot more subscribers and still be profitable.

ESPN's issue is the ROI has been declining.

espn is laying employees off in droves.

espn is heavily invested in sports content that is devaluing daily.

espn is hemorrhaging subscribers.

in any acquisition involving espn, it would be acquired, not the acquirer.

your god is a false god.

I'll ignore the ******* comment at the end.

I wouldn't let you touch my investment money.

ESPN profits fell 3% but it is still VERY profitable.

Right now the biggest problem ESPN has is it is contractually barred from selling direct to consumer for another 12 or 18 months under their current carriage agreements.

Once they are free of that they can start selling direct to consumer to reach the cord cutters.

In the UK a similar package which would just be soccer and the random cricket and rugby and those packages start at $40 US streaming.

If ESPN sells direct and can do 80% of what Netflix does in subscribers the US a $25 per month package would be more profitable than what they made via carriage fees.

If they acquire the Fox RSNs how many people interested in cutting cable would pick up an ESPN+ Chicago subscription at $25 a month to get virtually every Bulls, Blackhawks, White Sox, and Cubs game in addition to all ESPN content? That's a freaking bargain.
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(12-06-2017 03:59 PM)NorthTexan95 Wrote:  You'd think somone like Facebook, Amazon, or even Netflix would jump in at the opportunity.

I think they would if we gave it away in exchange for exposure. Since our current TV deal pays essentially nothing, I am okay with at least getting exposure.

I would prefer Netflix though. Facebook and Amazon are okay, but Netflix would get tons of views if they put our content in the "Featured" section.
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(12-07-2017 01:51 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 11:02 AM)EagleX Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 10:31 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 10:17 AM)EagleX Wrote:  that's not exactly what the story says. it's not even what the headline says. it says that disney may be looking at the regionals (as well as other assets from 21st century fox) in order to boost espn, which is having issue galore these days. these are very different things.

espn couldn't buy lunch right now.

ESPN could buy every adult American lunch on one month's revenue.

ESPN is profitable and could lose a lot more subscribers and still be profitable.

ESPN's issue is the ROI has been declining.

espn is laying employees off in droves.

espn is heavily invested in sports content that is devaluing daily.

espn is hemorrhaging subscribers.

in any acquisition involving espn, it would be acquired, not the acquirer.

your god is a false god.

I'll ignore the ******* comment at the end.

I wouldn't let you touch my investment money.

ESPN profits fell 3% but it is still VERY profitable.

Right now the biggest problem ESPN has is it is contractually barred from selling direct to consumer for another 12 or 18 months under their current carriage agreements.

Once they are free of that they can start selling direct to consumer to reach the cord cutters.

In the UK a similar package which would just be soccer and the random cricket and rugby and those packages start at $40 US streaming.

If ESPN sells direct and can do 80% of what Netflix does in subscribers the US a $25 per month package would be more profitable than what they made via carriage fees.

If they acquire the Fox RSNs how many people interested in cutting cable would pick up an ESPN+ Chicago subscription at $25 a month to get virtually every Bulls, Blackhawks, White Sox, and Cubs game in addition to all ESPN content? That's a freaking bargain.
You have a point. It would be like having dozens of LHNs floating around distributing regional content. Not a bad idea, I just wish Fox could have done more with it.
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(12-07-2017 01:51 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If they acquire the Fox RSNs how many people interested in cutting cable would pick up an ESPN+ Chicago subscription at $25 a month to get virtually every Bulls, Blackhawks, White Sox, and Cubs game in addition to all ESPN content? That's a freaking bargain.

That works for the major cities...

But what about where the loyalties are divided (in college football)? Particularly in the South?

Let's just pick a mid-market southern city... New Orleans

1) Saints 2) Pelicans 3) LSU 4) Tulane... okay, those 4 (and maybe Houston Astros).. Do you think that ESPN N.Orleans would then come over and pick up La Tech or USM, or if you're a sun-belt fan ULL or ULM?? Not likely... They've got LSU.. why do they need the "Baby brothers' of the area.

and everything would be pushing whatever ESPN wants to push nationally, it just gets filtered down to the regions... (Unless they want to rehire new reporters who are limited strictly to that region? Yeah, right...)
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(12-07-2017 03:24 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 01:51 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If they acquire the Fox RSNs how many people interested in cutting cable would pick up an ESPN+ Chicago subscription at $25 a month to get virtually every Bulls, Blackhawks, White Sox, and Cubs game in addition to all ESPN content? That's a freaking bargain.

That works for the major cities...

But what about where the loyalties are divided (in college football)? Particularly in the South?

Let's just pick a mid-market southern city... New Orleans

1) Saints 2) Pelicans 3) LSU 4) Tulane... okay, those 4 (and maybe Houston Astros).. Do you think that ESPN N.Orleans would then come over and pick up La Tech or USM, or if you're a sun-belt fan ULL or ULM?? Not likely... They've got LSU.. why do they need the "Baby brothers' of the area.

and everything would be pushing whatever ESPN wants to push nationally, it just gets filtered down to the regions... (Unless they want to rehire new reporters who are limited strictly to that region? Yeah, right...)

Ironically, during the WAC days I caught more Tech games on Coxsports in Baton Rouge than I did in Shreveport or Monroe.
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ESPN is on basic cable, if you have cable, you have ESPN. It is not hemorrhaging subscribers - CABLE IS - people are cutting the chord and changing how they get programming. ESPN has the best digital platform in the live broadcast business and is adjusting to the cable cutting era and will be available more ways than anyone else. People will always watch live sports - fans will always seek out live games and ESPN owns the rights to the vast majority of sports groups. Millions pay $100 for one WWE, MMA or boxing event on pay-per-view, they’ll certainly pay $12-15 for a month of live sports when choosing their ala carte menu!
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(12-08-2017 01:05 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  ESPN is on basic cable, if you have cable, you have ESPN. It is not hemorrhaging subscribers - CABLE IS - people are cutting the chord and changing how they get programming. ESPN has the best digital platform in the live broadcast business and is adjusting to the cable cutting era and will be available more ways than anyone else. People will always watch live sports - fans will always seek out live games and ESPN owns the rights to the vast majority of sports groups. Millions pay $100 for one WWE, MMA or boxing event on pay-per-view, they’ll certainly pay $12-15 for a month of live sports when choosing their ala carte menu!

Yep...

We will have to look elsewhere for the boogieman!

ESPN failing (like we all hoped for) would be akin to Walmart folding due to external pressure from Amazon, Ebay, and Alibaba...big businesses like these don't fold...they adapt.
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ESPN laying off people left and right...and buying another network?....Hmmmmm.
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(12-08-2017 09:03 AM)DNEagle Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 01:05 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  ESPN is on basic cable, if you have cable, you have ESPN. It is not hemorrhaging subscribers - CABLE IS - people are cutting the chord and changing how they get programming. ESPN has the best digital platform in the live broadcast business and is adjusting to the cable cutting era and will be available more ways than anyone else. People will always watch live sports - fans will always seek out live games and ESPN owns the rights to the vast majority of sports groups. Millions pay $100 for one WWE, MMA or boxing event on pay-per-view, they’ll certainly pay $12-15 for a month of live sports when choosing their ala carte menu!

Yep...

We will have to look elsewhere for the boogieman!

ESPN failing (like we all hoped for) would be akin to Walmart folding due to external pressure from Amazon, Ebay, and Alibaba...big businesses like these don't fold...they adapt.

Sometimes they dont. Signed Blockbuster
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(12-08-2017 09:36 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 09:03 AM)DNEagle Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 01:05 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  ESPN is on basic cable, if you have cable, you have ESPN. It is not hemorrhaging subscribers - CABLE IS - people are cutting the chord and changing how they get programming. ESPN has the best digital platform in the live broadcast business and is adjusting to the cable cutting era and will be available more ways than anyone else. People will always watch live sports - fans will always seek out live games and ESPN owns the rights to the vast majority of sports groups. Millions pay $100 for one WWE, MMA or boxing event on pay-per-view, they’ll certainly pay $12-15 for a month of live sports when choosing their ala carte menu!

Yep...

We will have to look elsewhere for the boogieman!

ESPN failing (like we all hoped for) would be akin to Walmart folding due to external pressure from Amazon, Ebay, and Alibaba...big businesses like these don't fold...they adapt.

Sometimes they dont. Signed Blockbuster

Kmart, Service Merchandise and Mervins
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(12-08-2017 09:39 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 09:36 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 09:03 AM)DNEagle Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 01:05 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  ESPN is on basic cable, if you have cable, you have ESPN. It is not hemorrhaging subscribers - CABLE IS - people are cutting the chord and changing how they get programming. ESPN has the best digital platform in the live broadcast business and is adjusting to the cable cutting era and will be available more ways than anyone else. People will always watch live sports - fans will always seek out live games and ESPN owns the rights to the vast majority of sports groups. Millions pay $100 for one WWE, MMA or boxing event on pay-per-view, they’ll certainly pay $12-15 for a month of live sports when choosing their ala carte menu!

Yep...

We will have to look elsewhere for the boogieman!

ESPN failing (like we all hoped for) would be akin to Walmart folding due to external pressure from Amazon, Ebay, and Alibaba...big businesses like these don't fold...they adapt.

Sometimes they dont. Signed Blockbuster

Kmart, Service Merchandise and Mervins

Co-signed A&P, Stone and Thomas, and Eastern Airlines
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(12-08-2017 10:10 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 09:39 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 09:36 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 09:03 AM)DNEagle Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 01:05 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  ESPN is on basic cable, if you have cable, you have ESPN. It is not hemorrhaging subscribers - CABLE IS - people are cutting the chord and changing how they get programming. ESPN has the best digital platform in the live broadcast business and is adjusting to the cable cutting era and will be available more ways than anyone else. People will always watch live sports - fans will always seek out live games and ESPN owns the rights to the vast majority of sports groups. Millions pay $100 for one WWE, MMA or boxing event on pay-per-view, they’ll certainly pay $12-15 for a month of live sports when choosing their ala carte menu!

Yep...

We will have to look elsewhere for the boogieman!

ESPN failing (like we all hoped for) would be akin to Walmart folding due to external pressure from Amazon, Ebay, and Alibaba...big businesses like these don't fold...they adapt.

Sometimes they dont. Signed Blockbuster

Kmart, Service Merchandise and Mervins

Co-signed A&P, Stone and Thomas, and Eastern Airlines

Those stores/companies failed to adapt to external forces; failed to adopt newer/efficient technologies; and failed to adapt to consumer needs/wants.

For every one of the examples given, there are even more examples to every one that have succeeded in adapting to the changes in the market.

For the record, I like Walmart equally as I like ESPN03-puke, which is just as much as I like migraine headaches or when my kids put empty milk cartons back in the fridge.04-chairshot
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(12-08-2017 01:05 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  ESPN is on basic cable, if you have cable, you have ESPN. It is not hemorrhaging subscribers - CABLE IS - people are cutting the chord and changing how they get programming. ESPN has the best digital platform in the live broadcast business and is adjusting to the cable cutting era and will be available more ways than anyone else. People will always watch live sports - fans will always seek out live games and ESPN owns the rights to the vast majority of sports groups. Millions pay $100 for one WWE, MMA or boxing event on pay-per-view, they’ll certainly pay $12-15 for a month of live sports when choosing their ala carte menu!

(12-08-2017 10:31 AM)DNEagle Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 10:10 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 09:39 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 09:36 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 09:03 AM)DNEagle Wrote:  Yep...

We will have to look elsewhere for the boogieman!

ESPN failing (like we all hoped for) would be akin to Walmart folding due to external pressure from Amazon, Ebay, and Alibaba...big businesses like these don't fold...they adapt.

Sometimes they dont. Signed Blockbuster

Kmart, Service Merchandise and Mervins

Co-signed A&P, Stone and Thomas, and Eastern Airlines

Those stores/companies failed to adapt to external forces; failed to adopt newer/efficient technologies; and failed to adapt to consumer needs/wants.

For every one of the examples given, there are even more examples to every one that have succeeded in adapting to the changes in the market.

For the record, I like Walmart equally as I like ESPN03-puke, which is just as much as I like migraine headaches or when my kids put empty milk cartons back in the fridge.04-chairshot

You missed the point. You stated that big companies don't fail. Then people listed several that did and then you said some do adapt. Well of course some do your're stating the obvious.

It could be argued ESPN is doing some of the same things that you just listed. Alienating their audience by pushing a liberal agenda, poor prgramming, dismissing G5 fans entirely,

The younger generation cares less and less about traditional sports. Dropping attendance across the country bares that out. ESPN hit there peak in dominance in the early 2000s in my opinion. I think there currently on the down hill slope now.
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(12-08-2017 09:31 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  ESPN laying off people left and right...and buying another network?....Hmmmmm.

Yeah...its hard to see ESPN being all desperate and broke when they are buying other major sports companies. Personally, I dont see this having much affect on college rights values. The last time I remember FOX regionals making a big bid for college sports was renewing their CUSA almost a decade ago for $7 million. That renewal has since expired and they havn't made another major college deal specifically for FOX-Regionals that I am aware of. All I ever see is Fox directing Big12 third tier stuff onto Fox-SW.

Seems to me these Fox RSN's are driven by pro sports franchise rights--not college sports rights. Essentially, college sports is just a time filler for these RSN's. I dont think this deal is going to have much affect on the college sports world beyond giving ESPN-3 content another outlet.
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