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(12-12-2017 02:00 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
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(12-07-2017 03:36 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  The WAC still holds that card. I think Hurd is working behind the scenes to start FBS football in the Wac again. He should approach Sun Belt and Conf USA teams that are geographically compatible and invite them over. Maybe that would entice the Montanas over too.

Doubt it. I have it on good authority that they have their eye set on sending their teams to the northern great plains.

Because a 6 1/2 hour flight to Grand Forks (pop 100,000K) is so much more attractive to send teams to than a 4 hour flight to Sacramento (pop 2.6 million), dontcha know.
Don't forget the one hour drive to Fargo.
The travel partner set up helps a lot.

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(12-12-2017 06:11 PM)MJG Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 02:00 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 11:42 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 03:36 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  The WAC still holds that card. I think Hurd is working behind the scenes to start FBS football in the Wac again. He should approach Sun Belt and Conf USA teams that are geographically compatible and invite them over. Maybe that would entice the Montanas over too.

Doubt it. I have it on good authority that they have their eye set on sending their teams to the northern great plains.

Because a 6 1/2 hour flight to Grand Forks (pop 100,000K) is so much more attractive to send teams to than a 4 hour flight to Sacramento (pop 2.6 million), dontcha know.
Don't forget the one hour drive to Fargo.
The travel partner set up helps a lot.

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(12-12-2017 06:11 PM)MJG Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 02:00 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 11:42 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 03:36 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  The WAC still holds that card. I think Hurd is working behind the scenes to start FBS football in the Wac again. He should approach Sun Belt and Conf USA teams that are geographically compatible and invite them over. Maybe that would entice the Montanas over too.

Doubt it. I have it on good authority that they have their eye set on sending their teams to the northern great plains.

Because a 6 1/2 hour flight to Grand Forks (pop 100,000K) is so much more attractive to send teams to than a 4 hour flight to Sacramento (pop 2.6 million), dontcha know.
Don't forget the one hour drive to Fargo.
The travel partner set up helps a lot.

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oooh - so they get to add the exposure for another 250K population! Add the 14K in Vermillion, and the 30K in Brookings, and now you have exposure to 400K!! (still a lot less than 2.6 Million)
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Ran across a little tidbit to share, but didn't want to open a new thread just for this. So I'm bringing this thread back for now. Seems the WAC sent some representatives to Tarleton State for a visit last fall. The WAC apparently called the visit unofficial. It seems that the talks did not lead to an invite (for now).

http://texannews.net/potential-division-...nvitation/
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(01-23-2018 03:51 PM)Columbia Blue Wrote:  Ran across a little tidbit to share, but didn't want to open a new thread just for this. So I'm bringing this thread back for now. Seems the WAC sent some representatives to Tarleton State for a visit last fall. The WAC apparently called the visit unofficial. It seems that the talks did not lead to an invite (for now).

http://texannews.net/potential-division-...nvitation/

Interesting
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(11-29-2017 04:56 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  The WAC's Next Move?

Tequila Shots in Vegas with all fan bases, not CSUB. Then throwing said shot glasses at CSUB fans.

I'm all in on this.

Count me in as well. I'm still disgusted with their move...03-hissyfit
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(01-23-2018 07:04 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 12:14 AM)gleadley Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 04:56 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  The WAC's Next Move?

Tequila Shots in Vegas with all fan bases, not CSUB. Then throwing said shot glasses at CSUB fans.

I'm all in on this.

Count me in as well. I'm still disgusted with their move...03-hissyfit

It's kind of like the girl who married the boy from some third world country so he wouldn't be deported. Then when he got his citizenship by being married to her he dumped her for some other chick.

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(01-23-2018 03:51 PM)Columbia Blue Wrote:  Ran across a little tidbit to share, but didn't want to open a new thread just for this. So I'm bringing this thread back for now. Seems the WAC sent some representatives to Tarleton State for a visit last fall. The WAC apparently called the visit unofficial. It seems that the talks did not lead to an invite (for now).

http://texannews.net/potential-division-...nvitation/

The WAC might be a little wary of adding Tarleton State, knowing that the school’s strong preference is to be in the Southland Conference, and that the Southland with 13 current members (11 for football) is positioned to add one last all-sports member to even out its membership.

However I think it would behoove the WAC to consider pursuing a Texas expansion strategy after the Southland makes a move and there are no more rooms available at the Southland inn. Besides Tarleton State there are at least four other D-II Lone Star Conference schools with the facilities to move up to D-I and high enough football attendance to be viable candidates to play at the FCS level. They are:

Texas A&M Kingsville in Kingsville, TX
Enrollment: 8,783
Football facility: Javelina Stadium, seats 15,000
Basketball facility: Steinke Center, seats 4,000
2016 football average home attendance: 8,570

Midwestern State University in Wichita Falls, TX
Enrollment: 6,093
Football facility: Memorial Stadium, seats 14,500
Basketball facility: D.L. Ligon Coliseum, seats 3,600
2016 football average home attendance: 8,363

Texas A&M Commerce in Commerce, Texas
Enrollment: 12,013
Football facility: Memorial Stadium, seats 13,500
Basketball facility: Texas A&M Commerce Fieldhouse, seats 5,000
2016 football average home attendance: 7,982

West Texas A&M University in Canyon, Texas (just outside Amarillo)
Enrollment: 8,389
Football facility: Kimbrough Stadium, seats 20,000
Basketball facility: First United Bank Center, seats 4,800
2016 football average home attendance: 7,264

After its pending merger with the remnants of the Heartland Conference, the Lone Star Conference will become a 19-member monstrosity. The eight new schools coming in are predominantly small and urban and none of them sponsor football. Given that, I understand why Tarleton State is eagerly seeking greener pastures, and it appears to me that the four schools above are similarly situated.

If Hurd were thinking big I think he could try to sell those four schools — call them the Texas Four — on moving up to D-I and FCS together in conjunction with joining the WAC. That would give the WAC enough of a membership boost to stabilize the conference and, assuming UTRGV also started football, five-sixths of the football membership needed for a viable FCS conference. The sixth football member could be an affiliate (e.g. USD or Cal Poly or UCD), another D-II move-up in the WAC footprint (e.g. Dixie State or CSU Pueblo), or NMSU (not likely given that FBS independence is probably better financially for the Aggies, but a possibility).

WAC basketball wouldn’t suffer as much as one might think, given that two of the Texas Four have top-twenty programs at the D-II level. West Texas A&M (17-2) is currently ranked 11th and Texas A&M Commerce (14-3) is ranked 18th.

Another benefit of bringing in the Texas Four is that it would neatly fill in the geographic gap between NMSU and UTRGV and set up convenient travel partnerships for non-football competition:

Seattle-UVU
Cal Baptist-GCU
NMSU-West Texas A&M
Midwestern State-Texas A&M Commerce
Texas A&M Kingsville-UTRGV

CSUN could head off to the Big West, UMKC to the Summit, Chicago State to D-II or D-III, and everybody’s happy.
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CSUN is already in the Big West, Mongoose.
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(01-24-2018 07:11 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(01-23-2018 03:51 PM)Columbia Blue Wrote:  Ran across a little tidbit to share, but didn't want to open a new thread just for this. So I'm bringing this thread back for now. Seems the WAC sent some representatives to Tarleton State for a visit last fall. The WAC apparently called the visit unofficial. It seems that the talks did not lead to an invite (for now).

http://texannews.net/potential-division-...nvitation/

The WAC might be a little wary of adding Tarleton State, knowing that the school’s strong preference is to be in the Southland Conference, and that the Southland with 13 current members (11 for football) is positioned to add one last all-sports member to even out its membership.

However I think it would behoove the WAC to consider pursuing a Texas expansion strategy after the Southland makes a move and there are no more rooms available at the Southland inn. Besides Tarleton State there are at least four other D-II Lone Star Conference schools with the facilities to move up to D-I and high enough football attendance to be viable candidates to play at the FCS level. They are:

Texas A&M Kingsville in Kingsville, TX
Enrollment: 8,783
Football facility: Javelina Stadium, seats 15,000
Basketball facility: Steinke Center, seats 4,000
2016 football average home attendance: 8,570

Midwestern State University in Wichita Falls, TX
Enrollment: 6,093
Football facility: Memorial Stadium, seats 14,500
Basketball facility: D.L. Ligon Coliseum, seats 3,600
2016 football average home attendance: 8,363

Texas A&M Commerce in Commerce, Texas
Enrollment: 12,013
Football facility: Memorial Stadium, seats 13,500
Basketball facility: Texas A&M Commerce Fieldhouse, seats 5,000
2016 football average home attendance: 7,982

West Texas A&M University in Canyon, Texas (just outside Amarillo)
Enrollment: 8,389
Football facility: Kimbrough Stadium, seats 20,000
Basketball facility: First United Bank Center, seats 4,800
2016 football average home attendance: 7,264

After its pending merger with the remnants of the Heartland Conference, the Lone Star Conference will become a 19-member monstrosity. The eight new schools coming in are predominantly small and urban and none of them sponsor football. Given that, I understand why Tarleton State is eagerly seeking greener pastures, and it appears to me that the four schools above are similarly situated.

If Hurd were thinking big I think he could try to sell those four schools — call them the Texas Four — on moving up to D-I and FCS together in conjunction with joining the WAC. That would give the WAC enough of a membership boost to stabilize the conference and, assuming UTRGV also started football, five-sixths of the football membership needed for a viable FCS conference. The sixth football member could be an affiliate (e.g. USD or Cal Poly or UCD), another D-II move-up in the WAC footprint (e.g. Dixie State or CSU Pueblo), or NMSU (not likely given that FBS independence is probably better financially for the Aggies, but a possibility).

WAC basketball wouldn’t suffer as much as one might think, given that two of the Texas Four have top-twenty programs at the D-II level. West Texas A&M (17-2) is currently ranked 11th and Texas A&M Commerce (14-3) is ranked 18th.

Another benefit of bringing in the Texas Four is that it would neatly fill in the geographic gap between NMSU and UTRGV and set up convenient travel partnerships for non-football competition:

Seattle-UVU
Cal Baptist-GCU
NMSU-West Texas A&M
Midwestern State-Texas A&M Commerce
Texas A&M Kingsville-UTRGV

CSUN could head off to the Big West, UMKC to the Summit, Chicago State to D-II or D-III, and everybody’s happy.

No to that amount of Texas Schools! When the WAC had 16 members in 90s, the Texas Schools voted in a block. They controlled the WAC, which helped force the creation of the MWC. I can see Hurd trying to sell this, as his nose is buried deep in the book: How To Ru(i)n a Conference by Karl Benson. The i was put in with permanent marker.
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If WAC decided to sponsor FCS, that would effectively force NMSU out, no? I don't see NMSU considering FCS after the successful season they just had.
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(01-23-2018 07:10 PM)NotANewbie Wrote:  
(01-23-2018 07:04 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 12:14 AM)gleadley Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 04:56 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  The WAC's Next Move?

Tequila Shots in Vegas with all fan bases, not CSUB. Then throwing said shot glasses at CSUB fans.

I'm all in on this.

Count me in as well. I'm still disgusted with their move...03-hissyfit

It's kind of like the girl who married the boy from some third world country so he wouldn't be deported. Then when he got his citizenship by being married to her he dumped her for some other chick.

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..... Is that not the potential description for most every school in the WAC?
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(01-24-2018 12:20 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  CSUN is already in the Big West, Mongoose.

He likely hit the wrong letter by mistake. Perhaps he was thinking of Cal Baptist (or possible slipped up on Bako)?
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(01-24-2018 02:28 PM)RunnerBall Wrote:  
(01-24-2018 12:20 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  CSUN is already in the Big West, Mongoose.

He likely hit the wrong letter by mistake. Perhaps he was thinking of Cal Baptist (or possible slipped up on Bako)?

"B" and "N" are right next to each other on a keyboard.
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Tarlenton? God get us out of the WAC.
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(01-24-2018 02:46 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
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(01-24-2018 12:20 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  CSUN is already in the Big West, Mongoose.

He likely hit the wrong letter by mistake. Perhaps he was thinking of Cal Baptist (or possible slipped up on Bako)?

"B" and "N" are right next to each other on a keyboard.

It was a typo, I meant CSUB.

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(01-24-2018 01:00 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  If WAC decided to sponsor FCS, that would effectively force NMSU out, no? I don't see NMSU considering FCS after the successful season they just had.

So far as I know there's no rule that would prevent NMSU from continuing on in the WAC as an FBS independent while other WAC member schools played football at the FCS level.
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(01-25-2018 12:28 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(01-24-2018 01:00 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  If WAC decided to sponsor FCS, that would effectively force NMSU out, no? I don't see NMSU considering FCS after the successful season they just had.

So far as I know there's no rule that would prevent NMSU from continuing on in the WAC as an FBS independent while other WAC member schools played football at the FCS level.

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(01-25-2018 12:26 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(01-24-2018 02:46 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(01-24-2018 02:28 PM)RunnerBall Wrote:  
(01-24-2018 12:20 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  CSUN is already in the Big West, Mongoose.

He likely hit the wrong letter by mistake. Perhaps he was thinking of Cal Baptist (or possible slipped up on Bako)?

"B" and "N" are right next to each other on a keyboard.

It was a typo, I meant CSUB.

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I do not think the Southland would take Tarleton State in the near future right now, but they could give them football only affiliation right now to even out the football side while they are a full member of WAC. The WAC can't be choosy right now on who to invite. Inviting the 5 Texas D2 schools could give them a stable conference Then, they could in the future go after some growing TV markets like Colo. State-Pueblo, Dixie State and Colorado Mesa. Colorado Mesa seems to be a place to go. Cal.-Poly-Pomona, East Bay State (San Francisco market), Central Washington, Western Washington and Angelo State could be strong candidates as well. WAC could lose both Chicago State and UMKC tomorrow that they are leaving the conference. 12 to 16 teams in the WAC may make them stable in the long run.

West:
Cal. Baptist
Cal Poly-Pomona or Azusa Pacific
East Bay State
Seattle U.
Central Washington or Western Washington
Utah Valley
Dixie State
Grand Canyon U.
Colorado Mesa

East:
New mexico State
Colo. State-Pueblo
West Texas A&M
UTRGV
Tarleton State
Commerce
Kingsville
Midwestern State

Take out East Bay State or Colorado Mesa, and who do get some balance.

Football schools.
Azusa Pacific
Colorado Mesa
Central Washington (undefeated in the regular season in football for 2017)
Dixie State
West texas A&M
Commerce
Kingsville
Midwestern State
Tarleton State

You could easily pair the schools up better.
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