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Home game after a disasterous performance. We need this one and this is not a good Lafayette team. With like opponents they also lost at NJIT 96-80. They also lost at a bad George Mason squad and got smoked by Nova.

This is a game to get up early and put it away. They are not a good rebounding team either so that should help us. They are giving up 83 points per game with games that are in the 60's and games over 90. I think we want to just push our pace and let it be a high scoring affair, the leopards do not have the fire power to keep up scoring with us. Hopefully Spiker gets his message across and we actually come out with some fire at home.

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Drexel- 84
11-28-2017 09:03 AM
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RE: Lafayette
Until we show any sign of actually being able to make shots, I'm not going to consider any game a gimme. If we showed a bit better after beating Houston and I thought we possibly could have a decent crowd, I'd feel a bit better. They'd be content in letting this be a three point shooting contest, and if we play along, it's going to be a long night. Good news is they don't foul much, so we shouldn't be forced to watch a bunch of shanked free throws.
11-28-2017 01:25 PM
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(11-28-2017 01:25 PM)DrachenFire Wrote:  Good news is they don't foul much, so we shouldn't be forced to watch a bunch of shanked free throws.

That is where I disagree. Before the NJIT game we had been a really good FT shooting team. I am not writing them off as a good FT shooting team based on 1 game. I think us getting to the foul line is a strength of ours and we should continue trying to get to the line. Shooting FT's also can hide our poor shooting ability.
11-28-2017 02:18 PM
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RE: Lafayette
I agree with Dan on the free throws. Let's not forget how we beat Houston - shooting free throws.

Part of the problem at NJIT was who was shooting them. The big guys were a combined 3-11 and the guards were 9-14. Not great for the guards compared to previous games but not atrocious. We need for Lee, Isabell, and Harper when healthy to get to the line to be successful. Stretch on the other hand has been terrible from the line: 7-24 on the year, including 3-18 in the last four games. In my mind, there is no excuse to be that bad as a senior.
11-28-2017 03:52 PM
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Guess I should have prefaced that with who is shooting the FTs. The problem is, the guy who gets fouled the most and can actually hit is injured, and the guy who gets fouled second most is hitting sub 30%. Isabell had been doing a nice job getting to and converting at the line before the NJIT game, but after that, Sammy and Kurk don't go to the line as much and the other "bigs" don't get to the line as much either, and when they do, they aren't hitting at a great rate either, although with a low sample size. Doles has actually done a decent job getting to the line for as many threes as he's attempted, and he's yet to miss, but he isn't getting the playing time.

I agree that FTs won us the Houston game, but we went 7/16 against Mercer and after doing well in regulation against Drake, missed some big ones at the end of regulation and in the OTs which cost us that game, and followed that up with a 12/25 performance at NJIT, where everyone but Kurk shot at 50% or less. Perhaps I'm a bit bitter at being 1-4 against D1 competition.
11-28-2017 04:42 PM
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To give you a perspective as to how far this program has fallen...it's gotten to the point where I look forward to Drexel playing really bad teams just so I have a chance to see them win. And even playing bad teams is no longer a guarantee. For even a respectable Division I team, games against teams like NJIT, Lafayette, or Arcadia should be 20-30 point wins, period. But with this Drexel team, nothing is guaranteed.

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RE: Lafayette
Scott wrote our pregame: HERE

For the record, this is a spot where the Dragons need to win by 20+ in my opinion. Coming off of a loss where their toughness and dedication was questioned, they need to come out playing hard, and if they do, no one on Lafayette can stay in front of Tramaine or Kurk, and the best big man on the court is Stretch.

Anything short of that, and there's a serious question in my mind about the buyin this team has to the program. And if that question happens, the Coach will need to make changes without a lot of options. Season is done in November,

Big game tonight.
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11-29-2017 03:55 PM
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Technical difficulties on the video stream just as things are turning around.
11-29-2017 08:18 PM
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RE: Lafayette
isabell followed up the worst crunch time shot in drexel history with the greatest crunch time pass in drexel history.

we had a transfer from central wyoming on the floor with him. let that sink in. i hope he reads this, proves me wrong, and becomes a beast.
11-29-2017 08:56 PM
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Little harsh on him when he is by far our best player and we would have lost this game without him.
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I watched the end of James Madison blowing their game hosting George Mason. Then I saw your score and I should have watched your game instead. You trailed by 8 with under 3 minutes left. Lafayette isn't the only winless team with tough losses. Omaha is 0-7 and playing now. In their second most recent loss, they gave up the winning shot with 22 seconds left and missed two layups to lose by 1. In their most recent loss, they gave up the winning three-pointer with 9 seconds left in overtime to lose by 2.
11-29-2017 09:35 PM
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It’s astounding how far this program has fallen. Attendance of 617 is embarrassing. Thank god Lafayette missed all of their FTs in the first half, or this is another horrible home loss. Isabell’s bricked three at the end of the game was one of the most ill advised shots I’ve seen, lucky for him that the rebound came right back to him so he could zip a pass to Stretch for the go ahead slam. They’re lucky they hit a 5/6 hot streak from three in three minutes after falling behind by 11 to get back in the game. They shot 2/25 from distance the other 37 minutes. If this team could shoot, this game is a blowout. If they didn’t hit that hot streak, it would have been the other way.
11-29-2017 10:51 PM
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RE: Lafayette
It wasn't pretty but you got to like how the Dragons scrapped at the end to pull it out. That it was so close though was concerning.

There were some good signs though. We limited turnovers to 9 which is an improvement. For the third straight game we out-rebounded the opponent and we were even against Mercer. Definite improvement there over the early season.

Demir has looked decent since coming off his suspension. Hopefully Overton will get back soon and they can get a little rotation (sans Harper) in place before CAA play starts. As bad as we've looked at times this year, no one else in the CAA has been real impressive either although at least the W&M offense was quite impressive against Marshall tonight.
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(11-29-2017 11:59 PM)Water Boy Wrote:  Hopefully Overton will get back soon and they can get a little rotation (sans Harper) in place before CAA play starts.

Believe Miles was sporting the ever popular Drexel uniform accessories of a knee brace and crutches, don’t know if I’d hold my breath on him coming back in the near term.
11-30-2017 12:19 AM
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(11-30-2017 12:19 AM)DrachenFire Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 11:59 PM)Water Boy Wrote:  Hopefully Overton will get back soon and they can get a little rotation (sans Harper) in place before CAA play starts.

Believe Miles was sporting the ever popular Drexel uniform accessories of a knee brace and crutches, don’t know if I’d hold my breath on him coming back in the near term.

I guess the guards better get used to being ironmen. Interesting stat from tonight: Spiker used the same lineup for the final 9:50 of the game. Fran O'Hanlon from Lafayette, preferring a more hockey like approach, made 33 substitutions over that time. If fact in the second half, there were only 5 Drexel substitutions: Myles gave Williams a four minute break, Doles played the first minute before giving way to Demir who then played the rest of the half except for a brief 12 second appearance by Tadas.

Myles happened to get subbed in when the Dragons were raining threes getting a +- of +12 in his four minutes. In his five minutes in the first half he was -11.
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RE: Lafayette
Unfortunately a shooting night like this is typically going to end in a loss. 3's are a huge part of what we do on offense, so when those shots are not falling we are going to put ourselves in bad situations. Luckily we overcame that tonight, but many more times than not, we are not going to overcome that poor of 3 point shooting. Lafayette is a bad team. I thought, despite not being a good team, this was a chance for a big win at home. Very disappointing we couldn't beat this team with ease. Even more alarming that we really shouldn't have won period.

The fight this team shows late in games is encouraging, though. It is nice to have a team that doesnt quit down the stretch of close games. Hopefully we can just play better where we do not need late furious comebacks. This team still has a long way to go. For what it is worth Mercer just got blown out by 24 to Tennessee
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It was nice that the game ended in a win instead of a loss, but it was discouraging knowing that they probably should have lost at home to one of the worst teams in D1. It's great that they have the fight in them, while that fight might win them a few extra games that they probably should lose, they can't keep putting themselves into that position in the first place. Obviously the injuries hurt as well, as they need Miles and Harper back. Too bad that Iceman quit on the team. He probably thought that he wasn't going to get much playing time this year, but they really could have used him.
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RE: Lafayette
(11-30-2017 12:19 AM)DrachenFire Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 11:59 PM)Water Boy Wrote:  Hopefully Overton will get back soon and they can get a little rotation (sans Harper) in place before CAA play starts.

Believe Miles was sporting the ever popular Drexel uniform accessories of a knee brace and crutches, don’t know if I’d hold my breath on him coming back in the near term.

Green was on crutches with a knee brace. Overton is back in a boot. I didnt hear good things about either of their outlooks for returning soon around the DAC last night.

As for where the program is now, we've hit rock bottom. Well, we HIT rock bottom and now we are trying to claw our way out of it. We are Philly sports fans.. We, of anyone, should know that you have to be patient.

Here is our writeup from last night's game:

http://alwaysadragon.com/postgame-lafayette-leopards/
11-30-2017 10:28 AM
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Unless Overton has a set back according to phiily.com: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/coll...71125.html
He is day to day. I am thinking they will hold him out till the Temple game.
12-01-2017 12:27 AM
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Maybe it is just me, but some of the stuff Spiker says rings a little hollow to me. After the game he makes it sound like it wasn't that big of deal if they won or lost, that they are making progress either way and that the real season starts with the CAA. But like I mentioned above, he doesn't sub the last quarter of the game. I've got to think for the good of the future you would get Tadas and Doles into a close pressure packed game. He was going all in to win this game. I fine with that as it would have been an embarrassing loss, but then don't try to make like it is not that big of a deal to win.

Another case is after the NJIT game, this quote was in the Inquirer article: “I will make no excuses for our program and where we are because of injuries,” Spiker said. But then in an interview in his hometown paper in an article previewing the NJIT - West Virginia game there is this: "Spiker said his team struggled with injuries against NJIT. (“We’re down to about seven-and-a-half healthy bodies,” he said.) But he reiterated the Highlanders will provide challenges for West Virginia." I like the message in the local press and interviews with Rob Brooks where he says you have to play with who you've got and not make excuses, but then stay consistent when you talking to the out-of-town press too. There was no reason for him to point out the injuries other than to soften the loss to a team in NJIT that he pretty much knew might put up a bit of a fight but would get thumped by WVa.

I would prefer he just be more honest and transparent. I get if he doesn't want to go around lamenting the injuries even though you know he is thinking it. But don't say one thing to the Philadelphia press and another to the Morgantown press. Fans like us on the message boards, or blogs, or podcasts will complain enough about the injuries and guys returning to Iceland, people will know we're not at full strength.

Speaking of Kari, he is doing well in Iceland. He leads his team in scoring at 16.5 ppg. His 3 pt% is not that great compared to what he shot here last year, but his 2pt% is over 60%. He has also recently played with the full Iceland men's national team in qualifying games for the FIBA World Cup. He didn't start, but played significant minutes.
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