(11-24-2017 02:18 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:58 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:56 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  Any score updates in between Westfoff whining

Is called espn.com if your curious this isnt a score website... plus your a memphis fan your on the wrong game board.


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Sorry, no offense. At work and can't don't have time for all that, but I'm recording the game because I have a lot of respect for both programs. so it's going that bad for y'all?

If you have time to post on here i would think you would have time to go to espn.com and check the score...


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(11-24-2017 02:18 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:14 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:07 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:06 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:03 PM)pesik Wrote:  How was that BS.. he launched even left his feet, he targeted his head with his helmet..and the receiver wasn’t crouching and “unavoidable” like many targetting call that was definitely avoidable

It gave the receiver a concussion

Exactly the rule is there because helmet to helmet is screwing up people's brains and will kill the sport. He could have tackled instead of launching right for his head.

Then just penalize them ejection for more than one game is stupid. Unless you can prove he was clearly trying to injure.


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If this happened before halftime you realize he wouldnt miss any part of next weeks game. What if you get targeting with 1 minute left in the 4th? They should only miss 1 minute? The rule makes sense if they target in the 2nd half of a game then they miss the first half of their next game too.

No thats stupid players shouldn’t miss any game time for a penalty unless they were intending to injure another player. Its a game there will be injuries and there will be head shots.


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Targeting is intending to injure another player.

(11-24-2017 02:19 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:16 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:12 PM)NTXCoog12 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:54 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:50 PM)NTXCoog12 Wrote:  For starters

http://walterfootball.com/draft2019.php

http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/06/11...nfl-draft/

Now show me a mock draft where he's not mentioned

Cbs, espn, nlf.com he isnt mentioned on any credible sports website.

Those aren’t credible sites. That draft wire one was also written in june before applewhite began ruining oliver.

You gotta think that that oliver is going to want to go to an actual team with an actual coach, where he will actually get talked about. Because he wont get any of that at UH as long as applewhite is the coach, and if he takes summer classes he can transfer with no wait time.


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Link? I see one NFL page has him at 8. So if you can provide a direct link saying he's not top 15, I want to see it

So you think he's going to graduate college in 2 years?

3 years technically... deshawn watson did it. NFL.com 2019 draft isnt up yet. But it still doesn’t change the fact that players transfer from losers to winners all the time and there is plenty of reason for oliver to leave UH to go to a team with an actual coach like Alabama or UT whee he will be guaranteed the #1 overall pic.


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He already had offers if he wanted to go he would have gone ffs you are trolling at this point

We also had this amazing coach named herman at the time too... i guarantee if applewhite had been the coach at the time he would not have come here.


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Great adjustment by major.

(11-24-2017 02:21 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:19 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:16 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:12 PM)NTXCoog12 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:54 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Cbs, espn, nlf.com he isnt mentioned on any credible sports website.

Those aren’t credible sites. That draft wire one was also written in june before applewhite began ruining oliver.

You gotta think that that oliver is going to want to go to an actual team with an actual coach, where he will actually get talked about. Because he wont get any of that at UH as long as applewhite is the coach, and if he takes summer classes he can transfer with no wait time.


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Link? I see one NFL page has him at 8. So if you can provide a direct link saying he's not top 15, I want to see it

So you think he's going to graduate college in 2 years?

3 years technically... deshawn watson did it. NFL.com 2019 draft isnt up yet. But it still doesn’t change the fact that players transfer from losers to winners all the time and there is plenty of reason for oliver to leave UH to go to a team with an actual coach like Alabama or UT whee he will be guaranteed the #1 overall pic.


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He already had offers if he wanted to go he would have gone ffs you are trolling at this point

We also had this amazing coach named herman at the time too... i guarantee if applewhite had been the coach at the time he would not have come here.


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If hermans so great why are they 6-5 ? Surely UT has more talent than us.

(11-24-2017 02:20 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:18 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:14 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:07 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:06 PM)vcoog Wrote:  Exactly the rule is there because helmet to helmet is screwing up people's brains and will kill the sport. He could have tackled instead of launching right for his head.

Then just penalize them ejection for more than one game is stupid. Unless you can prove he was clearly trying to injure.


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If this happened before halftime you realize he wouldnt miss any part of next weeks game. What if you get targeting with 1 minute left in the 4th? They should only miss 1 minute? The rule makes sense if they target in the 2nd half of a game then they miss the first half of their next game too.

No thats stupid players shouldn’t miss any game time for a penalty unless they were intending to injure another player. Its a game there will be injuries and there will be head shots.


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Targeting is intending to injure another player.

Pleeaaasssee i have seen plenty of times where the player fell into another player and made head to head contact and was ejected for targeting. I have seen so many examples of bad targeting calls stand for me to ever be convinced that ejecting a player should be on the table.

The fact that they don’t even do it in the nfl speaks volumes.


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(11-24-2017 02:23 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:21 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:19 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:16 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:12 PM)NTXCoog12 Wrote:  Link? I see one NFL page has him at 8. So if you can provide a direct link saying he's not top 15, I want to see it

So you think he's going to graduate college in 2 years?

3 years technically... deshawn watson did it. NFL.com 2019 draft isnt up yet. But it still doesn’t change the fact that players transfer from losers to winners all the time and there is plenty of reason for oliver to leave UH to go to a team with an actual coach like Alabama or UT whee he will be guaranteed the #1 overall pic.


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He already had offers if he wanted to go he would have gone ffs you are trolling at this point

We also had this amazing coach named herman at the time too... i guarantee if applewhite had been the coach at the time he would not have come here.


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If hermans so great why are they 6-5 ? Surely UT has more talent than us.

Yup... but they also are 6-5 against waaaayyyy better competition than we play and its hermans first year.

While this is applewhites 3rd year and he has already lost to two of the worst teams in the conference.


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(11-24-2017 02:16 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:12 PM)NTXCoog12 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:54 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:50 PM)NTXCoog12 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:41 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  What one is that? A quick google search and very few mocks even come up the few that do dont even mention oliver.

You have to think oliver is going to realize he could be forgotten about if he continues to play for a bad team. The chance to win will be too much for him, i see him transferring to ut to reunite with herman.

No one is going to look at this team and say they think they can win anything with applewhite.


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For starters

http://walterfootball.com/draft2019.php

http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/06/11...nfl-draft/

Now show me a mock draft where he's not mentioned

Cbs, espn, nlf.com he isnt mentioned on any credible sports website.

Those aren’t credible sites. That draft wire one was also written in june before applewhite began ruining oliver.

You gotta think that that oliver is going to want to go to an actual team with an actual coach, where he will actually get talked about. Because he wont get any of that at UH as long as applewhite is the coach, and if he takes summer classes he can transfer with no wait time.


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Link? I see one NFL page has him at 8. So if you can provide a direct link saying he's not top 15, I want to see it

So you think he's going to graduate college in 2 years?

3 years technically... deshawn watson did it. NFL.com 2019 draft isnt up yet. But it still doesn’t change the fact that players transfer from losers to winners all the time and there is plenty of reason for oliver to leave UH to go to a team with an actual coach like Alabama or UT whee he will be guaranteed the #1 overall pic.


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Watson was a true junior when he graduated. Oliver is a true sophomore

Oliver is very unlikely to be #1 no matter what. He's 6'1" although listed as 6'3"

(11-24-2017 02:25 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:23 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:21 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:19 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:16 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  3 years technically... deshawn watson did it. NFL.com 2019 draft isnt up yet. But it still doesn’t change the fact that players transfer from losers to winners all the time and there is plenty of reason for oliver to leave UH to go to a team with an actual coach like Alabama or UT whee he will be guaranteed the #1 overall pic.


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He already had offers if he wanted to go he would have gone ffs you are trolling at this point

We also had this amazing coach named herman at the time too... i guarantee if applewhite had been the coach at the time he would not have come here.


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If hermans so great why are they 6-5 ? Surely UT has more talent than us.

Yup... but they also are 6-5 against waaaayyyy better competition than we play and its hermans first year.

While this is applewhites 3rd year and he has already lost to two of the worst teams in the conference.


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Yeah letting marland score 50 really shows he's elite. This is majors 1st year unless you're crediting him for the peach bowl and Louisville /Ou which i know you'd never.

(11-24-2017 02:28 PM)NTXCoog12 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:16 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:12 PM)NTXCoog12 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:54 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:50 PM)NTXCoog12 Wrote:  For starters

http://walterfootball.com/draft2019.php

http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/06/11...nfl-draft/

Now show me a mock draft where he's not mentioned

Cbs, espn, nlf.com he isnt mentioned on any credible sports website.

Those aren’t credible sites. That draft wire one was also written in june before applewhite began ruining oliver.

You gotta think that that oliver is going to want to go to an actual team with an actual coach, where he will actually get talked about. Because he wont get any of that at UH as long as applewhite is the coach, and if he takes summer classes he can transfer with no wait time.


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Link? I see one NFL page has him at 8. So if you can provide a direct link saying he's not top 15, I want to see it

So you think he's going to graduate college in 2 years?

3 years technically... deshawn watson did it. NFL.com 2019 draft isnt up yet. But it still doesn’t change the fact that players transfer from losers to winners all the time and there is plenty of reason for oliver to leave UH to go to a team with an actual coach like Alabama or UT whee he will be guaranteed the #1 overall pic.


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Watson was a true junior when he graduated. Oliver is a true sophomore

Oliver is very unlikely to be #1 no matter what. He's 6'1" although listed as 6'3"

I still think the fact that we have a very bad head coach in applewhite. Is going to drive alot of our talent away. I would not be super if he requested a transfer to a better school and honestly I wouldn’t blame him either. Our idiot AD was to lazy to even bother trying to get an actual coach for this team.


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(11-24-2017 02:32 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:25 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:23 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:21 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:19 PM)vcoog Wrote:  He already had offers if he wanted to go he would have gone ffs you are trolling at this point

We also had this amazing coach named herman at the time too... i guarantee if applewhite had been the coach at the time he would not have come here.


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If hermans so great why are they 6-5 ? Surely UT has more talent than us.

Yup... but they also are 6-5 against waaaayyyy better competition than we play and its hermans first year.

While this is applewhites 3rd year and he has already lost to two of the worst teams in the conference.


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Yeah letting marland score 50 really shows he's elite. This is majors 1st year unless you're crediting him for the peach bowl and Louisville /Ou which i know you'd never.

Also.. the big 12 really isn't that much harder than our conference. We have better wins than UT does this year.

Westhoff, still waiting for that direct link showing Oliver not top 15 in 2019 draft

(11-24-2017 02:32 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:25 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:23 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:21 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:19 PM)vcoog Wrote:  He already had offers if he wanted to go he would have gone ffs you are trolling at this point

We also had this amazing coach named herman at the time too... i guarantee if applewhite had been the coach at the time he would not have come here.


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If hermans so great why are they 6-5 ? Surely UT has more talent than us.

Yup... but they also are 6-5 against waaaayyyy better competition than we play and its hermans first year.

While this is applewhites 3rd year and he has already lost to two of the worst teams in the conference.


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Yeah letting marland score 50 really shows he's elite. This is majors 1st year unless you're crediting him for the peach bowl and Louisville /Ou which i know you'd never.

No im crediting him with having the same system in place for 3 years. Its not like these players are having to learn some new offense applewhite has been playing the same offense for 3 years. The only thing that there should be a learning curve for is the defense.

The whole reason applewhite was hired was so there would be no need to have to wait a year for the players to adjust to a new system.


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(11-24-2017 02:34 PM)NTXCoog12 Wrote:  Westhoff, still waiting for that direct link showing Oliver not top 15 in 2019 draft

Well there is none since none of the websites i trust have released their drafts yet or even mentioned oliver.


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(11-24-2017 02:23 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:20 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:18 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:14 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:07 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Then just penalize them ejection for more than one game is stupid. Unless you can prove he was clearly trying to injure.


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If this happened before halftime you realize he wouldnt miss any part of next weeks game. What if you get targeting with 1 minute left in the 4th? They should only miss 1 minute? The rule makes sense if they target in the 2nd half of a game then they miss the first half of their next game too.

No thats stupid players shouldn’t miss any game time for a penalty unless they were intending to injure another player. Its a game there will be injuries and there will be head shots.


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Targeting is intending to injure another player.

Pleeaaasssee i have seen plenty of times where the player fell into another player and made head to head contact and was ejected for targeting. I have seen so many examples of bad targeting calls stand for me to ever be convinced that ejecting a player should be on the table.

The fact that they don’t even do it in the nfl speaks volumes.


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Just change the rule to require the D player to engage his hands into the tackle. They are trying to eliminate injuries and our LB just launched his head into the tackle. Make contact with your hands first and then your shoulders will take the danger out of that play. I have seen FB players lead with their head for 30 years and many times it just rings their bell as well.

(11-24-2017 02:35 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:32 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:25 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:23 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:21 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  We also had this amazing coach named herman at the time too... i guarantee if applewhite had been the coach at the time he would not have come here.


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If hermans so great why are they 6-5 ? Surely UT has more talent than us.

Yup... but they also are 6-5 against waaaayyyy better competition than we play and its hermans first year.

While this is applewhites 3rd year and he has already lost to two of the worst teams in the conference.


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Yeah letting marland score 50 really shows he's elite. This is majors 1st year unless you're crediting him for the peach bowl and Louisville /Ou which i know you'd never.

No im crediting him with having the same system in place for 3 years. Its not like these players are having to learn some new offense applewhite has been playing the same offense for 3 years. The only thing that there should be a learning curve for is the defense.

The whole reason applewhite was hired was so there would be no need to have to wait a year for the players to adjust to a new system.


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Well then maybe wed have more than 4 losses without him. You don't know - we spent most of the year trying to find a QB.

(11-24-2017 02:37 PM)ObiwanGoat Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:23 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:20 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:18 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:14 PM)vcoog Wrote:  If this happened before halftime you realize he wouldnt miss any part of next weeks game. What if you get targeting with 1 minute left in the 4th? They should only miss 1 minute? The rule makes sense if they target in the 2nd half of a game then they miss the first half of their next game too.

No thats stupid players shouldn’t miss any game time for a penalty unless they were intending to injure another player. Its a game there will be injuries and there will be head shots.


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Targeting is intending to injure another player.

Pleeaaasssee i have seen plenty of times where the player fell into another player and made head to head contact and was ejected for targeting. I have seen so many examples of bad targeting calls stand for me to ever be convinced that ejecting a player should be on the table.

The fact that they don’t even do it in the nfl speaks volumes.


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Just change the rule to require the D player to engage his hands into the tackle. They are trying to eliminate injuries and our LB just launched his head into the tackle. Make contact with your hands first and then your shoulders will take the danger out of that play. I have seen FB players lead with their head for 30 years and many times it just rings their bell as well.

But its hard to teach that since the game is so quick. Also its part of football this whole making the game safer is also eliminating the fun of it.


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back to the game... king could have easily made the first... he slid early to avoid injury just to get an injury and still not get the first ... SMH

(11-24-2017 02:40 PM)pesik Wrote:  back to the game... king could have easily made the first... he slid early to avoid injury just to get an injury and still not get the first ... SMH

he slipped I think

(11-24-2017 02:38 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:35 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:32 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:25 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:23 PM)vcoog Wrote:  If hermans so great why are they 6-5 ? Surely UT has more talent than us.

Yup... but they also are 6-5 against waaaayyyy better competition than we play and its hermans first year.

While this is applewhites 3rd year and he has already lost to two of the worst teams in the conference.


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Yeah letting marland score 50 really shows he's elite. This is majors 1st year unless you're crediting him for the peach bowl and Louisville /Ou which i know you'd never.

No im crediting him with having the same system in place for 3 years. Its not like these players are having to learn some new offense applewhite has been playing the same offense for 3 years. The only thing that there should be a learning curve for is the defense.

The whole reason applewhite was hired was so there would be no need to have to wait a year for the players to adjust to a new system.


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Well then maybe wed have more than 4 losses without him. You don't know - we spent most of the year trying to find a QB.

Postma played decent with herman but with applewhite suddenly he looked like hot garbage and to me that screams coaching.


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