(11-22-2017 09:09 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  All the talk of BSU's chances to overtake USF, people forget that beating a decent Fresno State team back to back weeks is far from a guarantee. After all, Fresno did handle SDST without much difficulty. If they lose either week, it becomes a moot point.

Agreed. However, SDSU's immature team, allowed a significant hangover against Fresno State. Furthermore, SDSU fumbled the ball while driving for a TD twice on their opening drives in the 1st Quarter. It fell apart from there. Thats what happens to young teams.

(11-22-2017 11:29 AM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 07:07 AM)fanhood Wrote:  USF is clearly getting the Marshall treatment. Clearly, this should be a lesson to other G5 schools that you cannot count on your conference schedule to raise your profile.

Can only play the teams the schedule dictates. Last year from the west we played Navy, Memphis, and Smoo and beat them all.

Agreed. However, many here have claimed for years how the Marshall team was pathetic because "they didn't play anybody." Now USF is being treated the same way. You cannot have it both ways.

Frankly, I think USF should be ranked. Just as I think SDSU and Toledo should as well.

(11-22-2017 07:07 AM)fanhood Wrote:  USF is clearly getting the Marshall treatment. Clearly, this should be a lesson to other G5 schools that you cannot count on your conference schedule to raise your profile.

Marshall wasn't ranked at all 10-0

(11-21-2017 11:37 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(11-21-2017 11:17 PM)MAD MACGYVER Wrote:  If UCF wins out, they will be the NY6 representative, I think that is obvious enough. If Memphis wins out then I don't see Boise State leapfrogging Memphis. What hurts South Florida is their SoS, it's atrocious. They play 7 teams that are ranked 100+ on the Massey Composite, and I think that's why their getting overlooked, especially since Illinois is so very terrible. If USF wins out, then I could see Boise State taking the NY6 spot, but I think it would be close, especially if Boise State struggles with Fresno State in either the finale or the MWCCG.

Good post

Yea, I think Boise would still get it before South Florida.

I don’t....to get the championship, USF would have to defeat #11 and #18 SOS. Both would be better than any wins Boise has. USF leapfrogs Boise if they win out.

(11-22-2017 11:34 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 11:29 AM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 07:07 AM)fanhood Wrote:  USF is clearly getting the Marshall treatment. Clearly, this should be a lesson to other G5 schools that you cannot count on your conference schedule to raise your profile.

Can only play the teams the schedule dictates. Last year from the west we played Navy, Memphis, and Smoo and beat them all.

Agreed. However, many here have claimed for years how the Marshall team was pathetic because "they didn't play anybody." Now USF is being treated the same way. You cannot have it both ways.

Frankly, I think USF should be ranked. Just as I think SDSU and Toledo should as well.

That is completely different circumstances..Marshall was playing teams fresh Off the FCS.. Marshall struggled badly with the original c-usa members and coincidently became great the year they all leave?

Usf is established and was a good team last year....your argument might make sense if it was UCF who was bad last year ...the same reason before game 1 every year the lowest we will rank bama is #2 and they could beat nobody be upset by 1 team and still be top 10

(11-22-2017 11:42 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 11:34 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 11:29 AM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 07:07 AM)fanhood Wrote:  USF is clearly getting the Marshall treatment. Clearly, this should be a lesson to other G5 schools that you cannot count on your conference schedule to raise your profile.

Can only play the teams the schedule dictates. Last year from the west we played Navy, Memphis, and Smoo and beat them all.

Agreed. However, many here have claimed for years how the Marshall team was pathetic because "they didn't play anybody." Now USF is being treated the same way. You cannot have it both ways.

Frankly, I think USF should be ranked. Just as I think SDSU and Toledo should as well.

That's is completely different circumstances..Marshall was playoteams fresh
Off the FCS.. Marshall struggled badly with the original c-usa members and coincidently became great the year they alleave?

Usf is established and was a good team last year....your argument might make sense if it was UCF who was bad last year ...the same reason before game 1 every year the lowest we will rank bama is #2 and they could beat nobody be upset by 1 team and still be top 10

Honestly, I am not trying to be a troll or a dick, but I cannot read what you wrote. Your first sentence is unintelligible with the typos. Regarding the second sentence, your syntax is off, and I am not sure what you are saying regarding last year.

To your other post about Marshall being 10-0, it is a comparison. It does not have to be exactly the same situation to be "comparable." Nothing is ever "Apples to Apples."

Nonetheless, USF is suffering from a very weak OOC schedule, and their conference schedule is almost as bad, which is keeping them from being ranked. Right now, their best win is over a 5-6 Tulane team. Ultimately, I do think wins over UCF and Memphis (assuming Memphis beats ECU) will get USF the Access Bowl birth. But it is debatable, and I am sure will be discussed, in the event that Boise goes 11-2. An 11-2 Toledo would be an interesting discussion as well, but I have not evaluated Toledo's schedule, so I really don't know.

SDSU should be ranked. CFP is ajoke.

(11-22-2017 12:31 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  SDSU should be ranked. CFP is ajoke.

Glad we can find common ground on something.

(11-22-2017 12:31 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  SDSU should be ranked. CFP is ajoke.

Not until they show a serious commitment to football and get an on-campus...

(11-22-2017 12:52 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 12:31 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  SDSU should be ranked. CFP is ajoke.

Not until they show a serious commitment to football and get an on-campus...

Seriously? SDSU is designing a new stadium now, and is planning on expanding its campus to the Mission Valley site. The plan has already been released, and the renderings are coming before Signing Day (December 23 I think).

There is this pesky competing soccer initiative that SDSU will beat in November of 2018. After that, it is "all academic" as they say.

I think I have pointed this out to you a few times. Not sure if I did though.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...106349610/

(11-22-2017 12:27 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 11:42 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 11:34 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 11:29 AM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 07:07 AM)fanhood Wrote:  USF is clearly getting the Marshall treatment. Clearly, this should be a lesson to other G5 schools that you cannot count on your conference schedule to raise your profile.

Can only play the teams the schedule dictates. Last year from the west we played Navy, Memphis, and Smoo and beat them all.

Agreed. However, many here have claimed for years how the Marshall team was pathetic because "they didn't play anybody." Now USF is being treated the same way. You cannot have it both ways.

Frankly, I think USF should be ranked. Just as I think SDSU and Toledo should as well.

That's is completely different circumstances..Marshall was playoteams fresh
Off the FCS.. Marshall struggled badly with the original c-usa members and coincidently became great the year they alleave?

Usf is established and was a good team last year....your argument might make sense if it was UCF who was bad last year ...the same reason before game 1 every year the lowest we will rank bama is #2 and they could beat nobody be upset by 1 team and still be top 10

Honestly, I am not trying to be a troll or a dick, but I cannot read what you wrote. Your first sentence is unintelligible with the typos. Regarding the second sentence, your syntax is off, and I am not sure what you are saying regarding last year.

To your other post about Marshall being 10-0, it is a comparison. It does not have to be exactly the same situation to be "comparable." Nothing is ever "Apples to Apples."

Nonetheless, USF is suffering from a very weak OOC schedule, and their conference schedule is almost as bad, which is keeping them from being ranked. Right now, their best win is over a 5-6 Tulane team. Ultimately, I do think wins over UCF and Memphis (assuming Memphis beats ECU) will get USF the Access Bowl birth. But it is debatable, and I am sure will be discussed, in the event that Boise goes 11-2. An 11-2 Toledo would be an interesting discussion as well, but I have not evaluated Toledo's schedule, so I really don't know.

Edited it

(11-22-2017 01:14 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 12:27 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 11:42 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 11:34 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 11:29 AM)Sellular1 Wrote:  Can only play the teams the schedule dictates. Last year from the west we played Navy, Memphis, and Smoo and beat them all.

Agreed. However, many here have claimed for years how the Marshall team was pathetic because "they didn't play anybody." Now USF is being treated the same way. You cannot have it both ways.

Frankly, I think USF should be ranked. Just as I think SDSU and Toledo should as well.

That's is completely different circumstances..Marshall was playoteams fresh
Off the FCS.. Marshall struggled badly with the original c-usa members and coincidently became great the year they alleave?

Usf is established and was a good team last year....your argument might make sense if it was UCF who was bad last year ...the same reason before game 1 every year the lowest we will rank bama is #2 and they could beat nobody be upset by 1 team and still be top 10

Honestly, I am not trying to be a troll or a dick, but I cannot read what you wrote. Your first sentence is unintelligible with the typos. Regarding the second sentence, your syntax is off, and I am not sure what you are saying regarding last year.

To your other post about Marshall being 10-0, it is a comparison. It does not have to be exactly the same situation to be "comparable." Nothing is ever "Apples to Apples."

Nonetheless, USF is suffering from a very weak OOC schedule, and their conference schedule is almost as bad, which is keeping them from being ranked. Right now, their best win is over a 5-6 Tulane team. Ultimately, I do think wins over UCF and Memphis (assuming Memphis beats ECU) will get USF the Access Bowl birth. But it is debatable, and I am sure will be discussed, in the event that Boise goes 11-2. An 11-2 Toledo would be an interesting discussion as well, but I have not evaluated Toledo's schedule, so I really don't know.

Edited it

I see, so you are comparing the previous year, and applying it to this year. Fair enough. I just don't agree that it matters, and the committee says it doesn't matter. Up to us to decide what to believe. No way in proving it either way.

(11-22-2017 08:01 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:07 AM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(11-21-2017 11:17 PM)MAD MACGYVER Wrote:  snip

Great post. UCF's schedule is very similar to Boise's (actually a tiny bit tougher) when you eliminate the albatross that is Austin Peay (#162). Since they are glorified exhibition games, I would just as soon eliminate them from all statistics, including team record (eg. UCF is a 9-0 team right now, not 10-0). Boise should be commended for not scheduling one of them.

The rest of the AAC East is just pure trash (#82, #106, #108, and #109). This is why USF can't crack the CFB rankings and UCF is stuck at 15. Between those four rubes and our 3 respective OOC patsies, we have had few chances to impress.

USF got unbelievably unlucky with it's AAC West draw. Whereas UCF got three teams who average out to #40, their three opponents average out to #78. They lost to the toughest one.... their best win is against #80.

Wisconsin is pretty close to our SOS and they seem to be doing just fine with the playoff committee. Miami at #2 and they nearly lost to UNC for crying out loud.

I'm having trouble seeing "pretty close."

Sagarin SoS: Wisconsin 55, UCF 90
Massey SoS: Wisconsin 37, UCF 79
Using your one common opponent as a starting point, Maryland is UCF's third best win behind Memphis and Navy, but not even in the top half of Wisconsin's list of wins. At the bottom of the schedule you have our triple-digit conference mates plus and FCS, Wiscy has only Illinois and BYU as anchors.

You can do the same thing with Miami: ND better than and VaTech about equal to your best win etc etc.

I think the CFP has UCF under-valued (should be closer to #10 than #15), but...

Aresco on Orlando radio this morning

-thinks it's crazy how low ranked UCF
-starting to think it will take a miracle for the AAC to make the playoffs (was told originally it was possible)
-wishes Houston was undefeated last year to test it out (hinting if houston didn't get it last year blowing out 2 top 3 teams, its never going to happen) and the public outcry if they didn't
- set to meet the committee in the offseason, and will talk about this. "They clearly aren't paying attention to us enough and don't realize how good we are"

(11-22-2017 01:48 PM)pesik Wrote:  Aresco on Orlando radio this morning

-thinks it's crazy how low ranked UCF
-starting to think it will take a miracle for the AAC to make the playoffs (was told originally it was possible)
-wishes Houston was undefeated last year to test it out (hinting if houston didn't get it last year blowing out 2 top 3 teams, its never going to happen) and the public outcry if they didn't
- set to meet the committee in the offseason, and will talk about this. "They clearly aren't paying attention to us enough and don't realize how good we are"

The committee has virtually all P5 representatives except for one. The group think echo chamber narrative within the committee room is that no G5 can really ever possibly be a top 10 team--let alone a top 4 team (though they will never straight up say that publically---they come as close as possible with the "eye test" non-sense). So, of course its going to be impossible for a G5 to get into the playoff. Hell, right now its impossible for a G5 to even make the top 10.

We need a ten member selection committee comprised of one representative from each FBS conference. One conference--one vote. Do that and the playoff will be legit. Until then, the committee is just P5 fan boys touching themselves.

In the 4 team playoffs game it's the big boys club an the G4 is not allowed in even if they're undefeated

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(11-22-2017 01:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:48 PM)pesik Wrote:  Aresco on Orlando radio this morning

-thinks it's crazy how low ranked UCF
-starting to think it will take a miracle for the AAC to make the playoffs (was told originally it was possible)
-wishes Houston was undefeated last year to test it out (hinting if houston didn't get it last year blowing out 2 top 3 teams, its never going to happen) and the public outcry if they didn't
- set to meet the committee in the offseason, and will talk about this. "They clearly aren't paying attention to us enough and don't realize how good we are"

The committee has virtually all P5 representatives except for one. The group think echo chamber withn the committee room is that no G5 can really ever possibly be a top 10 team--let alone a top 4 team (though they will never straight up say that publically---they come as close as possible with the "eye test" non-sense). So, of course its going to be impossible for a G5 to get into the playoff. Hell, right now its impossible for a G5 to even make the top 10.

We need a ten member selection committee comprised of one representative from each FBS conference. One conference--one vote. Do that and the playoff will be legit. Until then, the committee is just P5 fan boys touching themselves.

The AAC has never even had a rep on the basketball selection committee. There's no way we'll ever see one on the football committee. Gotta keep the tweener conference down.

(11-22-2017 02:04 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:48 PM)pesik Wrote:  Aresco on Orlando radio this morning

-thinks it's crazy how low ranked UCF
-starting to think it will take a miracle for the AAC to make the playoffs (was told originally it was possible)
-wishes Houston was undefeated last year to test it out (hinting if houston didn't get it last year blowing out 2 top 3 teams, its never going to happen) and the public outcry if they didn't
- set to meet the committee in the offseason, and will talk about this. "They clearly aren't paying attention to us enough and don't realize how good we are"

The committee has virtually all P5 representatives except for one. The group think echo chamber withn the committee room is that no G5 can really ever possibly be a top 10 team--let alone a top 4 team (though they will never straight up say that publically---they come as close as possible with the "eye test" non-sense). So, of course its going to be impossible for a G5 to get into the playoff. Hell, right now its impossible for a G5 to even make the top 10.

We need a ten member selection committee comprised of one representative from each FBS conference. One conference--one vote. Do that and the playoff will be legit. Until then, the committee is just P5 fan boys touching themselves.

The AAC has never even had a rep on the basketball selection committee. There's no way we'll ever see one on the football committee. Gotta keep the tweener conference down.

You are right. And if an AAC rep gets on the committee, he/she will have the "go along to get along" personality, or will want to "rise" in the profession. I have a very good friend that was in the business for years, and explained the scam to me. Strong personalities from Mid or High Majors do not get put on the committee.

(11-22-2017 02:05 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 02:04 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:48 PM)pesik Wrote:  Aresco on Orlando radio this morning

-thinks it's crazy how low ranked UCF
-starting to think it will take a miracle for the AAC to make the playoffs (was told originally it was possible)
-wishes Houston was undefeated last year to test it out (hinting if houston didn't get it last year blowing out 2 top 3 teams, its never going to happen) and the public outcry if they didn't
- set to meet the committee in the offseason, and will talk about this. "They clearly aren't paying attention to us enough and don't realize how good we are"

The committee has virtually all P5 representatives except for one. The group think echo chamber withn the committee room is that no G5 can really ever possibly be a top 10 team--let alone a top 4 team (though they will never straight up say that publically---they come as close as possible with the "eye test" non-sense). So, of course its going to be impossible for a G5 to get into the playoff. Hell, right now its impossible for a G5 to even make the top 10.

We need a ten member selection committee comprised of one representative from each FBS conference. One conference--one vote. Do that and the playoff will be legit. Until then, the committee is just P5 fan boys touching themselves.

The AAC has never even had a rep on the basketball selection committee. There's no way we'll ever see one on the football committee. Gotta keep the tweener conference down.

You are right. And if an AAC rep gets on the committee, he/she will have the "go along to get along" personality, or will want to "rise" in the profession. I have a very good friend that was in the business for years, and explained the scam to me. Strong personalities from Mid or High Majors do not get put on the committee.

The P5 will still control the procedings and dominant the rankings. The total disregard for deserving G5 teams is what would vanish. Those teams would be reasonably ranked at the very least. I dont know if UCF is a top 4 team. I DO know they are a top 10 team.

Here's the most interesting thing to note about G5 "under rating" by the committee. Getting an undefeated G5 into the Selecton Committee top 10 appears impossible. We all know without even thinking that getting a 1-loss G5 into the top 10 is utterly laughable. Yet, of the 3 BCS/access Bowl wins over top 10 P5 teams since 2013---all 3 were accomplished by G5 champs with more 1 or more losses. So--that tells me there are likely 1-loss G5's that are just as deserving of top ten ranking as one and 2 loss P5's. The committee is a joke and has been demostrably proven wrong with respect to their disrespect of G5 champs at least 3 times in the last 4 years---yet there has been no modification of their behavior. That is a key sign of a flawed system--it does not learn from its previous errors.