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RE: KenPom.com Update
(12-17-2017 12:35 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Why is there such a discrepancy betweenness amenpom and the RPI which has us sub 200. In the past they have been fairly consistent.

From a 2013 article -

Quote:The tool favored by the NCAA tournament selection committee is the RPI, which rates teams' accomplishments to date based on winning percentage and strength of schedule, giving extra weight to road or neutral-court wins but ignoring margin of victory. The tool favored by proponents of advanced stats is Ken Pomeroy's ratings, a predictive system which utilizes efficiency stats to provide a snapshot of every Division I team's current level of play.


https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the...ncaab.html

KenPom considers margin of victory, which is why UAB’s ranking actually improved after beating one of the worst teams in the country yesterday.
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12-17-2017 03:54 PM
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RE: KenPom.com Update
(12-17-2017 03:54 PM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 12:35 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Why is there such a discrepancy betweenness amenpom and the RPI which has us sub 200. In the past they have been fairly consistent.

From a 2013 article -

Quote:The tool favored by the NCAA tournament selection committee is the RPI, which rates teams' accomplishments to date based on winning percentage and strength of schedule, giving extra weight to road or neutral-court wins but ignoring margin of victory. The tool favored by proponents of advanced stats is Ken Pomeroy's ratings, a predictive system which utilizes efficiency stats to provide a snapshot of every Division I team's current level of play.


https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the...ncaab.html

KenPom considers margin of victory, which is why UAB’s ranking actually improved after beating one of the worst teams in the country yesterday.
Yes RPI is based on W/L but 75 % of the score is based on the W/L of the teams you play. So Strength of the teams we play primarily - which sucks

Ken Pom is based on all kind of metrics offense and defense. Our offense metrics are top 60 which averages to the low 100s.
12-17-2017 07:40 PM
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So basically, we could be #1 in Ken Pom, and wouldn't impress the committeee at all.
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(12-17-2017 07:47 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  So basically, we could be #1 in Ken Pom, and wouldn't impress the committeee at all.

I don’t believe that to be the case. In March 2015, Colorado State was 27-6 with an RPI of 29. They were not selected for the Big Dance. Their KenPom was 68. KenPom and other non-RPI rankings likely played a factor is the committee’s decision not to select Colorado State.

Colorado State played South Dakota State in the NIT (I believe) and lost by 10. Their final KenPom ranking was 72.

That’s just one example of when the committee considered more than just the RPI. I suspect that is increasingly the case as coaches make the case that the RPI is too primitive, and with the availability of more robust ranking systems.
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(12-17-2017 08:30 PM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 07:47 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  So basically, we could be #1 in Ken Pom, and wouldn't impress the committeee at all.

I don’t believe that to be the case. In March 2015, Colorado State was 27-6 with an RPI of 29. They were not selected for the Big Dance. Their KenPom was 68. KenPom and other non-RPI rankings likely played a factor is the committee’s decision not to select Colorado State.

Colorado State played South Dakota State in the NIT (I believe) and lost by 10. Their final KenPom ranking was 72.

That’s just one example of when the committee considered more than just the RPI. I suspect that is increasingly the case as coaches make the case that the RPI is too primitive, and with the availability of more robust ranking systems.

Yeah because it was Colorado State. Well known fact that the committee goes back and forth betwweeen RPI and other factors to justify leaving non power conference schools out. There needs to be one set of criteria instead of multiple lists, so the committee can be held accountable.
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(12-17-2017 08:35 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 08:30 PM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 07:47 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  So basically, we could be #1 in Ken Pom, and wouldn't impress the committeee at all.

I don’t believe that to be the case. In March 2015, Colorado State was 27-6 with an RPI of 29. They were not selected for the Big Dance. Their KenPom was 68. KenPom and other non-RPI rankings likely played a factor is the committee’s decision not to select Colorado State.

Colorado State played South Dakota State in the NIT (I believe) and lost by 10. Their final KenPom ranking was 72.

That’s just one example of when the committee considered more than just the RPI. I suspect that is increasingly the case as coaches make the case that the RPI is too primitive, and with the availability of more robust ranking systems.

Yeah because it was Colorado State. Well known fact that the committee goes back and forth betwweeen RPI and other factors to justify leaving non power conference schools out. There needs to be one set of criteria instead of multiple lists, so the committee can be held accountable.

If there was one system, we wouldn’t need a committee.

I do wonder if they look at the Massey Composite.

https://www.mratings.com/cb/compare.htm

A week ago UAB’s ranking varied from 77 to 226.
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Right now KenPom has switched C-USA with the MAC.

13. Sun Belt
14. C-USA
15. MAC
12-19-2017 01:22 PM
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(12-19-2017 01:22 PM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  Right now KenPom has switched C-USA with the MAC.

13. Sun Belt
14. C-USA
15. MAC

#14 has to be the best conference ranking in a long time.
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(12-17-2017 08:35 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 08:30 PM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 07:47 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  So basically, we could be #1 in Ken Pom, and wouldn't impress the committeee at all.

I don’t believe that to be the case. In March 2015, Colorado State was 27-6 with an RPI of 29. They were not selected for the Big Dance. Their KenPom was 68. KenPom and other non-RPI rankings likely played a factor is the committee’s decision not to select Colorado State.

Colorado State played South Dakota State in the NIT (I believe) and lost by 10. Their final KenPom ranking was 72.

That’s just one example of when the committee considered more than just the RPI. I suspect that is increasingly the case as coaches make the case that the RPI is too primitive, and with the availability of more robust ranking systems.

Yeah because it was Colorado State. Well known fact that the committee goes back and forth betwweeen RPI and other factors to justify leaving non power conference schools out. There needs to be one set of criteria instead of multiple lists, so the committee can be held accountable.

I agree. I don't care what the rules we are playing by are, I just want to know what they are so we can try our best to logically figure things out.
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(12-19-2017 01:37 PM)hooverblazer Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 01:22 PM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  Right now KenPom has switched C-USA with the MAC.

13. Sun Belt
14. C-USA
15. MAC

#14 has to be the best conference ranking in a long time.

For previous years, I only know how the conference finished at the end of the season, according to KenPom.

2016-2017 21
2015-2016 20
2014-2015 17
2013-2014 16
2012-2013 11 The Conference still had Memphis.
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