(11-16-2017 11:19 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:17 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:08 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:07 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Al Franken's response was really good. Whether the accusation is true or not, he's got good staff advising him

So you don't think he should resign immediately? Hmmm.....

Nope.

There's a difference between

1) One accusation and multiple accusations
2) The response of the accused in these cases. Franken's response is consistent of someone who isn't hiding anything.
3) And note, at least Franken had a reason to be physically in contact with the victim. Physical comedy. There's no reason for Roy Moore to be asking out 16 year olds as a 32 year old man.

There's a whole LOT more allegations going on against Roy Moore. A lot more. At some point the sheer volume of accusations against Moore lends credibility to the charges. Remember the Franken case is a he said, she said. Moore's situation is a 'he said, she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and the mall employees said...

Sure, investigate Franken. Lets see if other women come out against Franken. Lets see if there's any other issues going on. And Franken isn't acting like someone who has something to hide. Moore is.

There is a difference. Moore is running for the Senate. Franken IS A MEMBER OF THE US SENATE. Your spin is humorous and expected. You covering for Franken is expected also.

therein lies the rub....they'll never submit to in their kowtowing world of schmuckism......

(11-16-2017 11:17 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:08 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:07 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Al Franken's response was really good. Whether the accusation is true or not, he's got good staff advising him

So you don't think he should resign immediately? Hmmm.....

Nope.

There's a difference between

1) One accusation and multiple accusations
2) The response of the accused in these cases. Franken's response is consistent of someone who isn't hiding anything.
3) And note, at least Franken had a reason to be physically in contact with the accuser. Physical comedy. There's no reason for Roy Moore to be asking out 16 year olds as a 32 year old man.

There's a whole LOT more allegations going on against Roy Moore. A lot more. At some point the sheer volume of accusations against Moore lends credibility to the charges. Remember the Franken case is a he said, she said. Moore's situation is a 'he said, she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and the mall employees said...

Sure, investigate Franken. Lets see if other women come out against Franken. Lets see if there's any other issues going on. And Franken isn't acting like someone who has something to hide. Moore is.

In response to the first bold part - physical comedy would require that both parties be in agreement. As the photo shows that isn't the case.

In response to the second part, no Franken's case isn't a "he said, she said" there is actual photographic evidence in his as shown above.

So have we all convicted him as a rapist and a completely immoral human being who should be shunned from decent society?

I have.

(11-16-2017 11:21 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:17 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:08 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:07 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Al Franken's response was really good. Whether the accusation is true or not, he's got good staff advising him

So you don't think he should resign immediately? Hmmm.....

Nope.

There's a difference between

1) One accusation and multiple accusations
2) The response of the accused in these cases. Franken's response is consistent of someone who isn't hiding anything.
3) And note, at least Franken had a reason to be physically in contact with the accuser. Physical comedy. There's no reason for Roy Moore to be asking out 16 year olds as a 32 year old man.

There's a whole LOT more allegations going on against Roy Moore. A lot more. At some point the sheer volume of accusations against Moore lends credibility to the charges. Remember the Franken case is a he said, she said. Moore's situation is a 'he said, she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and the mall employees said...

Sure, investigate Franken. Lets see if other women come out against Franken. Lets see if there's any other issues going on. And Franken isn't acting like someone who has something to hide. Moore is.

So now the burden of proof is the number of accusers not the validity of the claim. Well done.

LOL. Theres a difference between one accuser and a dozen accusers. Look, lets investigate. But there's a big difference between one person saying 'he did it' and a dozen unrelated accusers saying 'he did it" with multiple sources of additional corroboration.

Sure, lets investigate Franken. But there's a HUGE discrepancy in the volume of the accusations at this point.

(11-16-2017 11:17 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:08 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:07 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Al Franken's response was really good. Whether the accusation is true or not, he's got good staff advising him

So you don't think he should resign immediately? Hmmm.....

Nope.

There's a difference between

1) One accusation and multiple accusations
2) The response of the accused in these cases. Franken's response is consistent of someone who isn't hiding anything.
3) And note, at least Franken had a reason to be physically in contact with the accuser. Physical comedy. There's no reason for Roy Moore to be asking out 16 year olds as a 32 year old man.

There's a whole LOT more allegations going on against Roy Moore. A lot more. At some point the sheer volume of accusations against Moore lends credibility to the charges. Remember the Franken case is a he said, she said. Moore's situation is a 'he said, she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and the mall employees said...

Sure, investigate Franken. Lets see if other women come out against Franken. Lets see if there's any other issues going on. And Franken isn't acting like someone who has something to hide. Moore is.

So there is something wrong with liking younger females even when they are of the age of consent? I don't think there is any doubt he dated 18 year olds when he was in his 30s. So what? I don't think there is much doubt he dated 16 and 17 year olds when he was in his 30s. He married a 24 year old when he was 38.

The genuine question is whether the 14 year old is telling the truth and if any of the claims of him doing things against their will is true.

(11-16-2017 11:21 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:17 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:08 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:07 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Al Franken's response was really good. Whether the accusation is true or not, he's got good staff advising him

So you don't think he should resign immediately? Hmmm.....

Nope.

There's a difference between

1) One accusation and multiple accusations
2) The response of the accused in these cases. Franken's response is consistent of someone who isn't hiding anything.
3) And note, at least Franken had a reason to be physically in contact with the accuser. Physical comedy. There's no reason for Roy Moore to be asking out 16 year olds as a 32 year old man.

There's a whole LOT more allegations going on against Roy Moore. A lot more. At some point the sheer volume of accusations against Moore lends credibility to the charges. Remember the Franken case is a he said, she said. Moore's situation is a 'he said, she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and the mall employees said...

Sure, investigate Franken. Lets see if other women come out against Franken. Lets see if there's any other issues going on. And Franken isn't acting like someone who has something to hide. Moore is.

So now the burden of proof is the number of accusers not the validity of the claim. Well done. They should all wear similar uniforms and get the accused in the middle of the night for efficiency.

Didn't Bill have like 18-20 women accuse him of sexual misconduct?

(11-16-2017 11:03 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  Good for her for speaking out - I hope Franken apologizes for his behavior, and this is checked out completely.

Of course, if Franken were a repub, the line from some on here would be "Look at the picture - he doesn't even have his hands ON her, just NEAR her. Until someone provides some real proof, it's just her word against his. I mean, this was over TEN years ago! Why is she speaking up now?"

/facepalm

“If this were a repub...”

Ah, the good leftist with the all too predictable projection, right out of the gate.

Too funny. Nice try getting in the excuse you would otherwise be making.

Nice try. Fail. But nice try.

(11-16-2017 11:24 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Didn't Bill have like 18-20 women accuse him of sexual misconduct?

I was gonna bring him up. What is the threshold # for Dems?

(11-16-2017 11:05 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:03 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  Good for her for speaking out - I hope Franken apologizes for his behavior immediately.

Of course, if Franken were a repub, the line from some on here would be "Look at the picture - he doesn't even have his hands ON her, just NEAR her. Until someone provides some real proof, it's just her word against his. I mean, this was over TEN years ago! Why is she speaking up now?"

/facepalm

Is that a Republican in the picture? So you are a typical double standard lib. I am shocked.

Whooooooooshhhhh.

(11-16-2017 11:30 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:24 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Didn't Bill have like 18-20 women accuse him of sexual misconduct?

I was gonna bring him up. What is the threshold # for Dems?

I imagine there was some "difference" back then as well.

(11-16-2017 11:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:17 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:08 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:07 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Al Franken's response was really good. Whether the accusation is true or not, he's got good staff advising him

So you don't think he should resign immediately? Hmmm.....

Nope.

There's a difference between

1) One accusation and multiple accusations
2) The response of the accused in these cases. Franken's response is consistent of someone who isn't hiding anything.
3) And note, at least Franken had a reason to be physically in contact with the accuser. Physical comedy. There's no reason for Roy Moore to be asking out 16 year olds as a 32 year old man.

There's a whole LOT more allegations going on against Roy Moore. A lot more. At some point the sheer volume of accusations against Moore lends credibility to the charges. Remember the Franken case is a he said, she said. Moore's situation is a 'he said, she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and the mall employees said...

Sure, investigate Franken. Lets see if other women come out against Franken. Lets see if there's any other issues going on. And Franken isn't acting like someone who has something to hide. Moore is.

So there is something wrong with liking younger females even when they are of the age of consent? I don't think there is any doubt he dated 18 year olds when he was in his 30s. So what? I don't think there is much doubt he dated 16 and 17 year olds when he was in his 30s. He married a 24 year old when he was 38.

The genuine question is whether the 14 year old is telling the truth and if any of the claims of him doing things against their will is true.

Let Roy Moore admit to asking 16 year old girls out on dates as a 32 year old, but not having sex with anyone under that....if you'd like to make that argument. I still think it makes him a creep.

BTW, this sh*t happens in the Gay community too. I had some creep in Alabama call my father to contact me to ask me out on a date (I had refused to give him my phone number when he previously asked - so the creep called my dad to get in touch with me). There was a 40+ year age difference going on.

BTW, theres no issue about age of consent in the Franken allegation.

(11-16-2017 11:28 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:03 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  Good for her for speaking out - I hope Franken apologizes for his behavior, and this is checked out completely.

Of course, if Franken were a repub, the line from some on here would be "Look at the picture - he doesn't even have his hands ON her, just NEAR her. Until someone provides some real proof, it's just her word against his. I mean, this was over TEN years ago! Why is she speaking up now?"

/facepalm

“If this were a repub...”

Ah, the good leftist with the all to predictable projection, right out of the gate.

Too funny. Nice try getting in the excuse you would otherwise be making.

Nice try. Fail. But nice try.

Who's making excuses? They're all pigs, on all sides of the aisle. I'm just pointing out the excuses cited on here when it's a repub. Roy Moore is being set up, but everyone else on the other side of the aisle is guilty as sin.

How about they're ALL guilty as sin?

Time to clean house with every last one of these mysogynist pieces of crap who feel entitled to do whatever they like to and with women because they think they're more powerful.

(11-16-2017 11:23 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:21 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:17 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:08 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:07 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Al Franken's response was really good. Whether the accusation is true or not, he's got good staff advising him

So you don't think he should resign immediately? Hmmm.....

Nope.

There's a difference between

1) One accusation and multiple accusations
2) The response of the accused in these cases. Franken's response is consistent of someone who isn't hiding anything.
3) And note, at least Franken had a reason to be physically in contact with the accuser. Physical comedy. There's no reason for Roy Moore to be asking out 16 year olds as a 32 year old man.

There's a whole LOT more allegations going on against Roy Moore. A lot more. At some point the sheer volume of accusations against Moore lends credibility to the charges. Remember the Franken case is a he said, she said. Moore's situation is a 'he said, she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and the mall employees said...

Sure, investigate Franken. Lets see if other women come out against Franken. Lets see if there's any other issues going on. And Franken isn't acting like someone who has something to hide. Moore is.

So now the burden of proof is the number of accusers not the validity of the claim. Well done.

LOL. Theres a difference between one accuser and a dozen accusers. Look, lets investigate. But there's a big difference between one person saying 'he did it' and a dozen unrelated accusers saying 'he did it" with multiple sources of additional corroboration.

Sure, lets investigate Franken. But there's a HUGE discrepancy in the volume of the accusations at this point.

He should resign until the investigation is complete

(11-16-2017 11:33 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:23 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:21 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:17 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:08 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  So you don't think he should resign immediately? Hmmm.....

Nope.

There's a difference between

1) One accusation and multiple accusations
2) The response of the accused in these cases. Franken's response is consistent of someone who isn't hiding anything.
3) And note, at least Franken had a reason to be physically in contact with the accuser. Physical comedy. There's no reason for Roy Moore to be asking out 16 year olds as a 32 year old man.

There's a whole LOT more allegations going on against Roy Moore. A lot more. At some point the sheer volume of accusations against Moore lends credibility to the charges. Remember the Franken case is a he said, she said. Moore's situation is a 'he said, she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and the mall employees said...

Sure, investigate Franken. Lets see if other women come out against Franken. Lets see if there's any other issues going on. And Franken isn't acting like someone who has something to hide. Moore is.

So now the burden of proof is the number of accusers not the validity of the claim. Well done.

LOL. Theres a difference between one accuser and a dozen accusers. Look, lets investigate. But there's a big difference between one person saying 'he did it' and a dozen unrelated accusers saying 'he did it" with multiple sources of additional corroboration.

Sure, lets investigate Franken. But there's a HUGE discrepancy in the volume of the accusations at this point.

He should resign until the investigation is complete

Yup...

He's guilty.

/s

(11-16-2017 11:17 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:08 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:07 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Al Franken's response was really good. Whether the accusation is true or not, he's got good staff advising him

So you don't think he should resign immediately? Hmmm.....

Nope.

There's a difference between

1) One accusation and multiple accusations
2) The response of the accused in these cases. Franken's response is consistent of someone who isn't hiding anything.
3) And note, at least Franken had a reason to be physically in contact with the accuser. Physical comedy. There's no reason for Roy Moore to be asking out 16 year olds as a 32 year old man.

There's a whole LOT more allegations going on against Roy Moore. A lot more. At some point the sheer volume of accusations against Moore lends credibility to the charges. Remember the Franken case is a he said, she said. Moore's situation is a 'he said, she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and the mall employees said...

Sure, investigate Franken. Lets see if other women come out against Franken. Lets see if there's any other issues going on. And Franken isn't acting like someone who has something to hide. Moore is.

He said, she said?!?

There’s a freaking picture of him feeling her up while she’s sound asleep!

You think she was able or did offer consent to that? Do you doubt she feels embarrassed and violated?

Yea, but MUH PHYSICAL COMEDY...

For him. clearly not so comedic for her.

What with the double standards and all...

smh

(11-16-2017 11:30 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:24 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Didn't Bill have like 18-20 women accuse him of sexual misconduct?

I was gonna bring him up. What is the threshold # for Dems?

20 for a President.
7 for a Senator
4 for a House Representative

Should Bill Clintons figure be taken down at Disney World's Hall of Presidents?

That's a pretty damning photo.

Why don't we just go ahead and build a gallows?

I mean, we want to be safe right?

(11-16-2017 11:23 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  So have we all convicted him as a rapist and a completely immoral human being who should be shunned from decent society?

I have.

I'm waiting on DavidSt, the Chief of the Moral Police, to give me my marching orders.