Great game by our TEs. Brinkman had a great run after catch for TD. He had the blocked punt a couple of weeks ago against EMU. Shane just continues to play just great football as well ,had solid catch for a 1st to keep a drive alive.

GO HUSKIES! GREAT WIN!

QB grade: D

Childers has 7 (?) starts now and got outplayed by a QB in only his 3rd (?) game. 64 yards passing. Opposing QB, over 200 yards. Thank goodness for Huff. Our offense stinks without him.

(11-15-2017 10:40 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  QB grade: D

Childers has 7 (?) starts now and got outplayed by a QB in only his 3rd (?) game. 64 yards passing. Opposing QB, over 200 yards. Thank goodness for Huff. Our offense stinks without him.

Childers literally doesn’t know how to throw if his first option isn’t WIDE OPEN. He just isn’t good.

(11-15-2017 10:45 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 10:40 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  QB grade: D

Childers has 7 (?) starts now and got outplayed by a QB in only his 3rd (?) game. 64 yards passing. Opposing QB, over 200 yards. Thank goodness for Huff. Our offense stinks without him.

Childers literally doesn’t know how to throw if his first option isn’t WIDE OPEN. He just isn’t good.

Big time game winning drive by Childers tonight

When your QB wins the game for you, he gets an A+

Childers is doing as well as can be expected; and that is in large part due to how well the staff has handled him. They did not play him until he was ready; they put him in at the perfect part of the schedule; and they scheme to his strengths not his weaknesses. Yet, they still give him chances to make big plays. If your a Childers fan, you should be elated with how he has been coached.
He made the one pass he needed to make tonight. The bigger play was Wineman’s catch in 3rd down. It was not a well thrown ball but he was able to make a difficult catch. All three of Childers deep passes went incomplete (all were open); one was over thrown to Wineman, the other two (Blake and Tears) were underthrown so badly that they were actually effective. They both resulted in Defensive PI penalties (those don’t go against his completion %). He is giving Carey everything he wants, and for the most part it’s working.

(11-16-2017 12:12 AM)Djud Wrote:  Childers is doing as well as can be expected; and that is in large part due to how well the staff has handled him. They did not play him until he was ready; they put him in at the perfect part of the schedule; and they scheme to his strengths not his weaknesses. Yet, they still give him chances to make big plays. If your a Childers fan, you should be elated with how he has been coached.
He made the one pass he needed to make tonight. The bigger play was Wineman’s catch in 3rd down. It was not a well thrown ball but he was able to make a difficult catch. All three of Childers deep passes went incomplete (all were open); one was over thrown to Wineman, the other two (Blake and Tears) were underthrown so badly that they were actually effective. They both resulted in Defensive PI penalties (those don’t go against his completion %). He is giving Carey everything he wants, and for the most part it’s working.

I just feel for any QB at NIU right now, they are being set up to fail. Really proud of the way Childers led the team to victory tonight despite all the limitations he faces with coaching

If Childers completed the long passes when they're open, everything underneath would be easier...

You could not be more wrong; it is actually just the opposite; Childers has been given every chance to succeed...it has been an ideal situation for him to grow, learn and develop. He has been given a long leash, and has been given a clear sign of confidence from the staff even when he has made mistakes. What’s most important is he most now know that he is “the guy”; this is “coaching up”. He is now our most experienced QB on the roster, and he is a red shirt freshman.

Man i think childers is bad but unless you were out there tonight you can’t criticize QB play.

(11-16-2017 12:25 AM)Djud Wrote:  You could not be more wrong; it is actually just the opposite; Childers has been given every chance to succeed...it has been an ideal situation for him to grow, learn and develop. He has been given a long leash, and has been given a clear sign of confidence from the staff even when he has made mistakes. What’s most important is he most now know that he is “the guy”; this is “coaching up”. He is now our most experienced QB on the roster, and he is a red shirt freshman.

Under this coaching staff, you cant say he has been given a chance to succeed, it is the most unfriendly QB system I have ever seen in my life. That's why all QB's regress under Carey

(11-16-2017 12:26 AM)7 Wrote:  Man i think childers is bad but unless you were out there tonight you can’t criticize QB play.

Unless one QB is making plays and the other one isn't. 64 yards will not get it done most nights. But I was out there, and a true freshman making his 3rd start threw for over 200 yards in those conditions.

(11-16-2017 12:12 AM)Djud Wrote:  Childers is doing as well as can be expected; and that is in large part due to how well the staff has handled him. They did not play him until he was ready; they put him in at the perfect part of the schedule; and they scheme to his strengths not his weaknesses. Yet, they still give him chances to make big plays. If your a Childers fan, you should be elated with how he has been coached.
He made the one pass he needed to make tonight. The bigger play was Wineman’s catch in 3rd down. It was not a well thrown ball but he was able to make a difficult catch. All three of Childers deep passes went incomplete (all were open); one was over thrown to Wineman, the other two (Blake and Tears) were underthrown so badly that they were actually effective. They both resulted in Defensive PI penalties (those don’t go against his completion %). He is giving Carey everything he wants, and for the most part it’s working.

C'mon, Djud. 65 yards. That is giving FireRod all he wants?

I don't want to come down on the kid, but it's a shaky path when an offense can't generate anything from the aerial game. They got through it tonight, but that is not a blueprint for continued success

(11-16-2017 01:04 AM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 12:12 AM)Djud Wrote:  Childers is doing as well as can be expected; and that is in large part due to how well the staff has handled him. They did not play him until he was ready; they put him in at the perfect part of the schedule; and they scheme to his strengths not his weaknesses. Yet, they still give him chances to make big plays. If your a Childers fan, you should be elated with how he has been coached.
He made the one pass he needed to make tonight. The bigger play was Wineman’s catch in 3rd down. It was not a well thrown ball but he was able to make a difficult catch. All three of Childers deep passes went incomplete (all were open); one was over thrown to Wineman, the other two (Blake and Tears) were underthrown so badly that they were actually effective. They both resulted in Defensive PI penalties (those don’t go against his completion %). He is giving Carey everything he wants, and for the most part it’s working.

C'mon, Djud. 65 yards. That is giving FireRod all he wants?

I don't want to come down on the kid, but it's a shaky path when an offense can't generate anything from the aerial game. They got through it tonight, but that is not a blueprint for continued success

I am not a huge advocate of this offensive scheme; but it is giving Carey exactly what he wants, and it suits Childers perfectly.
This is what Carey wants in order of priority.
1) NO TURNOVERS; check
2) NO TURNOVERS; check
There is no bigger priority to Carey than this (see the Santa story as evidence);Childers did not turn the ball over
3) Run the football; Childers is still not at 100%; yet he still forces the defense to account for him due to his run threat ability.
4) complete the short, high % passes. For the most part he does this; yesterday was conditions were very tough.
5) when the opportunity to hit the HR is there, because you are successful at #3 & #4; make the play. This is were he has really struggled.
You don’t necessarily need to be good at #5 when you have a dominating defense that can score and create turnovers (and you play in a very weak conference)

This is what I mean when I say Childers is giving Carey nearly everything he wants.

I would love to know from our clueless friend, what exactly would he do differently in terms of play calling/scheme to better position Childers for success. Also, how could Childers been handled any better? In my opinion he is the one QB has been handled in a perfect manner.

(11-16-2017 07:04 AM)Djud Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 01:04 AM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 12:12 AM)Djud Wrote:  Childers is doing as well as can be expected; and that is in large part due to how well the staff has handled him. They did not play him until he was ready; they put him in at the perfect part of the schedule; and they scheme to his strengths not his weaknesses. Yet, they still give him chances to make big plays. If your a Childers fan, you should be elated with how he has been coached.
He made the one pass he needed to make tonight. The bigger play was Wineman’s catch in 3rd down. It was not a well thrown ball but he was able to make a difficult catch. All three of Childers deep passes went incomplete (all were open); one was over thrown to Wineman, the other two (Blake and Tears) were underthrown so badly that they were actually effective. They both resulted in Defensive PI penalties (those don’t go against his completion %). He is giving Carey everything he wants, and for the most part it’s working.

C'mon, Djud. 65 yards. That is giving FireRod all he wants?

I don't want to come down on the kid, but it's a shaky path when an offense can't generate anything from the aerial game. They got through it tonight, but that is not a blueprint for continued success

I am not a huge advocate of this offensive scheme; but it is giving Carey exactly what he wants, and it suits Childers perfectly.
This is what Carey wants in order of priority.
1) NO TURNOVERS; check
2) NO TURNOVERS; check
There is no bigger priority to Carey than this (see the Santa story as evidence);Childers did not turn the ball over
3) Run the football; Childers is still not at 100%; yet he still forces the defense to account for him due to his run threat ability.
4) complete the short, high % passes. For the most part he does this; yesterday was conditions were very tough.
5) when the opportunity to hit the HR is there, because you are successful at #3 & #4; make the play. This is were he has really struggled.
You don’t necessarily need to be good at #5 when you have a dominating defense that can score and create turnovers (and you play in a very weak conference)

This is what I mean when I say Childers is giving Carey nearly everything he wants.

I would love to know from our clueless friend, what exactly would he do differently in terms of play calling/scheme to better position Childers for success. Also, how could Childers been handled any better? In my opinion he is the one QB has been handled in a perfect manner.

I thought the second rule was "Don't talk about Fight Club".

(11-16-2017 12:46 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 12:26 AM)7 Wrote:  Man i think childers is bad but unless you were out there tonight you can’t criticize QB play.

Unless one QB is making plays and the other one isn't. 64 yards will not get it done most nights. But I was out there, and a true freshman making his 3rd start threw for over 200 yards in those conditions.

That's 64 yards on 11 attempts as opposed to 211 yards on 27 attempts. There was also that key pass interference penalty late in the game that does not count as an attempt or completion. Given the weather and the success of the Huskie running game, one would not want Childers to be throwing too many passes. He did what he had to to keep the defense honest. I do not think I will ruffle too many feathers when I say that the 2017 Huskies are a running team. Their offense is built around establishing the run.

(11-16-2017 10:54 AM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 12:46 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 12:26 AM)7 Wrote:  Man i think childers is bad but unless you were out there tonight you can’t criticize QB play.

Unless one QB is making plays and the other one isn't. 64 yards will not get it done most nights. But I was out there, and a true freshman making his 3rd start threw for over 200 yards in those conditions.

That's 64 yards on 11 attempts as opposed to 211 yards on 27 attempts. There was also that key pass interference penalty late in the game that does not count as an attempt or completion. Given the weather and the success of the Huskie running game, one would not want Childers to be throwing too many passes. He did what he had to to keep the defense honest. I do not think I will ruffle too many feathers when I say that the 2017 Huskies are a running team. Their offense is built around establishing the run.

Completely agree; give credit to the coaching staff for making their priorities very clear. This approach (run, run, throw a short pass) will work against almost all the teams on our schedule (and certainly all but Toledo in the conference). One byproduct of Carey’s pateience and complete commitment to Childers, is we have no other QB that has seen meaningful minutes in nearly two months. The likelihood of any other QB being effective in an emergency situation is remote at best.