Little Rock ought to move as fast as it can if indeed it intends to have an FBS program in the next few years. If it drags its feet, it may not have an opportunity in the future. regional realignment is a real possibility, and a western-half-of-the-South G5 league made up of current C-USA and SBC schools may not be as willing to let a startup Little Rock join them as the Sun Belt, per its bylaws, will allow LR to join for football.

(11-17-2017 03:18 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:09 PM)Coach Bonez89 Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 03:51 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I'm not sure where UALR finds the operating funds. This is the city that not once, not twice, not three times, not four times, BUT FIVE TIMES shot down proposals to host a bowl game because no one gave a crap once they found out it wouldn't be a way for the Hogs to play another game in Little Rock. But then again, the same city that told one of the tenants at the airport that they would not make the infrastructure investments they wanted, so FedEx moved two hours down the road to Memphis.

Pretty sure FedEx was started in Memphis, soooooo, perhaps they thought about moving to Little Rock at one point in time. But, in no way did they EVER "move down the road to Memphis" More like continued to operate its HQ in Memphis. Just Saying

When Fred Smith was first establishing Fed Ex, he asked the Little Rock airport for space and their help is getting him started in business. The LR airport decided this was a world class dumb idea and turned him down cold. He took his idea to Memphis and the rest is history. I had a friend that was offered one of the first five pilot jobs by Fred Smith. He turned it down as he wasn't sure about this new company and he had just retired from the miliary. He went with another air freight company and was a captain for years. He tried to explain to me how rich rich he would have become if he had taken the job with Fred but he couldn't count that high.

I met a woman a couple months ago who was a captain for Fed Ex. Lets just say it was very obvious that she was making ridiculous amounts of money.

Sugar momma?

(11-18-2017 12:42 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:18 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:09 PM)Coach Bonez89 Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 03:51 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I'm not sure where UALR finds the operating funds. This is the city that not once, not twice, not three times, not four times, BUT FIVE TIMES shot down proposals to host a bowl game because no one gave a crap once they found out it wouldn't be a way for the Hogs to play another game in Little Rock. But then again, the same city that told one of the tenants at the airport that they would not make the infrastructure investments they wanted, so FedEx moved two hours down the road to Memphis.

Pretty sure FedEx was started in Memphis, soooooo, perhaps they thought about moving to Little Rock at one point in time. But, in no way did they EVER "move down the road to Memphis" More like continued to operate its HQ in Memphis. Just Saying

When Fred Smith was first establishing Fed Ex, he asked the Little Rock airport for space and their help is getting him started in business. The LR airport decided this was a world class dumb idea and turned him down cold. He took his idea to Memphis and the rest is history. I had a friend that was offered one of the first five pilot jobs by Fred Smith. He turned it down as he wasn't sure about this new company and he had just retired from the miliary. He went with another air freight company and was a captain for years. He tried to explain to me how rich rich he would have become if he had taken the job with Fred but he couldn't count that high.

I met a woman a couple months ago who was a captain for Fed Ex. Lets just say it was very obvious that she was making ridiculous amounts of money.

Oh yeah, my friend was making roughly $260K when he retired as a captain several years ago (2008?). But just think about the stock options he was promised and being on the ground floor?

(11-16-2017 07:03 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:13 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:06 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 10:59 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 09:32 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  I don't know why you would ban that person. He is mildly entertaining. He hasn't used any vulgar language. Yes he is a troll, but this is a message board. He may have gotten a little out of hand on this thread but I don't think its worth banning.

As for LR football - I believe any downside to stAte of potentially impacting recruits or donors would be heavily outweighed by the upside of having stAte play every other year in LR and having more media attention. I don't think it would ever happen, but I see it being a positive for stAte.

We would get a lot more out of that game then playing a MWC/MAC?CUSA school in a home and home.

1. Seminole's work on this thread is like a tenth of the reason I made the move to forum ban. Plus, he has officially announced his retirement from posting on message boards, so why not help him into that happy land of retirement?

2. We'd get far more as a program out of a home and home with a MWC than we would out of a Little Rock game. Unless that Little Rock game was a big name school that would never play in Jonesboro or something. It's just not worth sacrificing a home game to play in Little Rock right now.

Its not worth giving up a home game. But a free conference away game every other year that close to our fans and alumni would be better than an away game in South Carolina for instance.

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You guys have had Mizzou and Miami at home, who else do you think would come in and demand it be in LR, except the hogs???

I think He was originally referring to playing us in football in LR.

Correct, my point was that a conference game in LR every other year against UALR would be beneficial to stAte. And, a home game in Jonesboro against UALR in football would garner more interest. Than playing UNLV or even most of our other conference foes

(11-18-2017 09:21 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 07:03 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:13 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:06 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 10:59 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  1. Seminole's work on this thread is like a tenth of the reason I made the move to forum ban. Plus, he has officially announced his retirement from posting on message boards, so why not help him into that happy land of retirement?

2. We'd get far more as a program out of a home and home with a MWC than we would out of a Little Rock game. Unless that Little Rock game was a big name school that would never play in Jonesboro or something. It's just not worth sacrificing a home game to play in Little Rock right now.

Its not worth giving up a home game. But a free conference away game every other year that close to our fans and alumni would be better than an away game in South Carolina for instance.

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You guys have had Mizzou and Miami at home, who else do you think would come in and demand it be in LR, except the hogs???

I think He was originally referring to playing us in football in LR.

Correct, my point was that a conference game in LR every other year against UALR would be beneficial to stAte. And, a home game in Jonesboro against UALR in football would garner more interest. Than playing UNLV or even most of our other conference foes

I agree it’s benecial to stAte and Little Rock. Plus I think it would piss off Arkansas, plus you have a stadium that holds 50,000 people not being used! All we need to do is get UTA in the mix and we are done stick with 12.

West
stAte
Louisiana
ULM
UALR
TxSt
UTA

East
CCU
GaSt
GASo
App St
Troy
S. Alabama

Only problem I have with this is that the Western side of the conference would not be as strong as the Eastern side of the conference. East could have up to 5 strong teams on any given year. I could see no more than 3 strong teams on the Western side in any given year.

If we did add both UTA and UALR they would have to bring it. I see growth potential for UALR I don’t see it with UTA the Dallas market is over saturated as is. Dallas already has 3 Division I-A schools around the Dallas area. UALR is a different animal with them being only one in Little Rock.

Dallas market
TCU
SMU
N.Texas

(11-18-2017 10:50 AM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 09:21 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 07:03 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:13 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:06 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  Its not worth giving up a home game. But a free conference away game every other year that close to our fans and alumni would be better than an away game in South Carolina for instance.

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You guys have had Mizzou and Miami at home, who else do you think would come in and demand it be in LR, except the hogs???

I think He was originally referring to playing us in football in LR.

Correct, my point was that a conference game in LR every other year against UALR would be beneficial to stAte. And, a home game in Jonesboro against UALR in football would garner more interest. Than playing UNLV or even most of our other conference foes

I agree it’s benecial to stAte and Little Rock. Plus I think it would piss off Arkansas, plus you have a stadium that holds 50,000 people not being used! All we need to do is get UTA in the mix and we are done stick with 12.

West
stAte
Louisiana
ULM
UALR
TxSt
UTA

East
CCU
GaSt
GASo
App St
Troy
S. Alabama

Only problem I have with this is that the Western side of the conference would not be as strong as the Eastern side of the conference. East could have up to 5 strong teams on any given year. I could see no more than 3 strong teams on the Western side in any given year.

If we did add both UTA and UALR they would have to bring it. I see growth potential for UALR I don’t see it with UTA the Dallas market is over saturated as is. Dallas already has 3 Division I-A schools around the Dallas area. UALR is a different animal with them being only one in Little Rock.

Dallas market
TCU
SMU
N.Texas

I suppose this is all just wishful thinking, but for it to really happen, it will take the Razorbacks exiting the LR market for good and Little Rock putting together a plan similar to what USA and Georgia State have done. In the end, they could have a decent program that would draw 15 to 20k per game to War Memorial. Long term, having a football program could reverse the course at their school of losing enrollment and being considered just a city college. Now I have to leave, got a 2 hour drive to Jboro to watch stAte put an a$$ whipping on the Bobcats!

(11-18-2017 09:21 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 07:03 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:13 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:06 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 10:59 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  1. Seminole's work on this thread is like a tenth of the reason I made the move to forum ban. Plus, he has officially announced his retirement from posting on message boards, so why not help him into that happy land of retirement?

2. We'd get far more as a program out of a home and home with a MWC than we would out of a Little Rock game. Unless that Little Rock game was a big name school that would never play in Jonesboro or something. It's just not worth sacrificing a home game to play in Little Rock right now.

Its not worth giving up a home game. But a free conference away game every other year that close to our fans and alumni would be better than an away game in South Carolina for instance.

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You guys have had Mizzou and Miami at home, who else do you think would come in and demand it be in LR, except the hogs???

I think He was originally referring to playing us in football in LR.

Correct, my point was that a conference game in LR every other year against UALR would be beneficial to stAte. And, a home game in Jonesboro against UALR in football would garner more interest. Than playing UNLV or even most of our other conference foes

This is the statement I was referring too.

(11-18-2017 11:41 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 10:50 AM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 09:21 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 07:03 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:13 AM)Usajags Wrote:  You guys have had Mizzou and Miami at home, who else do you think would come in and demand it be in LR, except the hogs???

I think He was originally referring to playing us in football in LR.

Correct, my point was that a conference game in LR every other year against UALR would be beneficial to stAte. And, a home game in Jonesboro against UALR in football would garner more interest. Than playing UNLV or even most of our other conference foes

I agree it’s benecial to stAte and Little Rock. Plus I think it would piss off Arkansas, plus you have a stadium that holds 50,000 people not being used! All we need to do is get UTA in the mix and we are done stick with 12.

West
stAte
Louisiana
ULM
UALR
TxSt
UTA

East
CCU
GaSt
GASo
App St
Troy
S. Alabama

Only problem I have with this is that the Western side of the conference would not be as strong as the Eastern side of the conference. East could have up to 5 strong teams on any given year. I could see no more than 3 strong teams on the Western side in any given year.

If we did add both UTA and UALR they would have to bring it. I see growth potential for UALR I don’t see it with UTA the Dallas market is over saturated as is. Dallas already has 3 Division I-A schools around the Dallas area. UALR is a different animal with them being only one in Little Rock.

Dallas market
TCU
SMU
N.Texas

I suppose this is all just wishful thinking, but for it to really happen, it will take the Razorbacks exiting the LR market for good and Little Rock putting together a plan similar to what USA and Georgia State have done. In the end, they could have a decent program that would draw 15 to 20k per game to War Memorial. Long term, having a football program could reverse the course at their school of losing enrollment and being considered just a city college. Now I have to leave, got a 2 hour drive to Jboro to watch stAte put an a$$ whipping on the Bobcats!

I suppose its possible, but Little Rock drawing 15K to 20K consistently is hard to picture. Little Rock is just not a sports town.

We have a very weird sports dynamic in this state that outsiders often can't quite grasp.

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(11-18-2017 12:00 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 11:41 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 10:50 AM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 09:21 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 07:03 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  I think He was originally referring to playing us in football in LR.

Correct, my point was that a conference game in LR every other year against UALR would be beneficial to stAte. And, a home game in Jonesboro against UALR in football would garner more interest. Than playing UNLV or even most of our other conference foes

I agree it’s benecial to stAte and Little Rock. Plus I think it would piss off Arkansas, plus you have a stadium that holds 50,000 people not being used! All we need to do is get UTA in the mix and we are done stick with 12.

West
stAte
Louisiana
ULM
UALR
TxSt
UTA

East
CCU
GaSt
GASo
App St
Troy
S. Alabama

Only problem I have with this is that the Western side of the conference would not be as strong as the Eastern side of the conference. East could have up to 5 strong teams on any given year. I could see no more than 3 strong teams on the Western side in any given year.

If we did add both UTA and UALR they would have to bring it. I see growth potential for UALR I don’t see it with UTA the Dallas market is over saturated as is. Dallas already has 3 Division I-A schools around the Dallas area. UALR is a different animal with them being only one in Little Rock.

Dallas market
TCU
SMU
N.Texas

I suppose this is all just wishful thinking, but for it to really happen, it will take the Razorbacks exiting the LR market for good and Little Rock putting together a plan similar to what USA and Georgia State have done. In the end, they could have a decent program that would draw 15 to 20k per game to War Memorial. Long term, having a football program could reverse the course at their school of losing enrollment and being considered just a city college. Now I have to leave, got a 2 hour drive to Jboro to watch stAte put an a$$ whipping on the Bobcats!

I suppose its possible, but Little Rock drawing 15K to 20K consistently is hard to picture. Little Rock is just not a sports town.

We have a very weird sports dynamic in this state that outsiders often can't quite grasp.

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Yeah, I see it the same way. UTA is a school of nearly 40k students in a metroplex that has more then twice the population of the state of Arkansas. And it's hard to think of a Texas area being over saturated in football. Also, UTA does have a history, some of those folks, families, will return. UALR will have to create a following that has never existed.

(11-18-2017 12:18 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 12:00 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 11:41 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 10:50 AM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 09:21 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  Correct, my point was that a conference game in LR every other year against UALR would be beneficial to stAte. And, a home game in Jonesboro against UALR in football would garner more interest. Than playing UNLV or even most of our other conference foes

I agree it’s benecial to stAte and Little Rock. Plus I think it would piss off Arkansas, plus you have a stadium that holds 50,000 people not being used! All we need to do is get UTA in the mix and we are done stick with 12.

West
stAte
Louisiana
ULM
UALR
TxSt
UTA

East
CCU
GaSt
GASo
App St
Troy
S. Alabama

Only problem I have with this is that the Western side of the conference would not be as strong as the Eastern side of the conference. East could have up to 5 strong teams on any given year. I could see no more than 3 strong teams on the Western side in any given year.

If we did add both UTA and UALR they would have to bring it. I see growth potential for UALR I don’t see it with UTA the Dallas market is over saturated as is. Dallas already has 3 Division I-A schools around the Dallas area. UALR is a different animal with them being only one in Little Rock.

Dallas market
TCU
SMU
N.Texas

I suppose this is all just wishful thinking, but for it to really happen, it will take the Razorbacks exiting the LR market for good and Little Rock putting together a plan similar to what USA and Georgia State have done. In the end, they could have a decent program that would draw 15 to 20k per game to War Memorial. Long term, having a football program could reverse the course at their school of losing enrollment and being considered just a city college. Now I have to leave, got a 2 hour drive to Jboro to watch stAte put an a$$ whipping on the Bobcats!

I suppose its possible, but Little Rock drawing 15K to 20K consistently is hard to picture. Little Rock is just not a sports town.

We have a very weird sports dynamic in this state that outsiders often can't quite grasp.

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Yeah, I see it the same way. UTA is a school of nearly 40k students in a metroplex that has more then twice the population of the state of Arkansas. And it's hard to think of a Texas area being over saturated in football. Also, UTA does have a history, some of those folks, families, will return. UALR will have to create a following that has never existed.

No matter what school you go to, its considered ill-manners and a social faux pas not to be a hog fan first and foremost.

If you are a weird one who is only a fan of his little school, thats sort of ok as long as you keep quiet about the hogs. If you don't you are considered a nutter.

We are a little immunized because our region grew up more inside the Memphis sphere of media influence. Little Rock (UALR) is dead center of the media bubble, no competing voices.

We are seen as rude and ill-mannered because a lot of our fans don't pay proper respects to UA.

Is Little Rock (UALR) going to try to market themselves as a rebellious upstart too? Or are they going to try to fit their football program into a niche of being a harmless friendly side-chick? Either one will have issues associated with it.

Its a weird environment to maneuver in. Even our own administrations have been known to take neutral stances and make soothing noises. And we are not even part of the same university system as UA.

How do they build a fan base of fierce loyalists either way?



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(11-18-2017 12:55 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 12:18 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 12:00 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 11:41 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 10:50 AM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  I agree it’s benecial to stAte and Little Rock. Plus I think it would piss off Arkansas, plus you have a stadium that holds 50,000 people not being used! All we need to do is get UTA in the mix and we are done stick with 12.

West
stAte
Louisiana
ULM
UALR
TxSt
UTA

East
CCU
GaSt
GASo
App St
Troy
S. Alabama

Only problem I have with this is that the Western side of the conference would not be as strong as the Eastern side of the conference. East could have up to 5 strong teams on any given year. I could see no more than 3 strong teams on the Western side in any given year.

If we did add both UTA and UALR they would have to bring it. I see growth potential for UALR I don’t see it with UTA the Dallas market is over saturated as is. Dallas already has 3 Division I-A schools around the Dallas area. UALR is a different animal with them being only one in Little Rock.

Dallas market
TCU
SMU
N.Texas

I suppose this is all just wishful thinking, but for it to really happen, it will take the Razorbacks exiting the LR market for good and Little Rock putting together a plan similar to what USA and Georgia State have done. In the end, they could have a decent program that would draw 15 to 20k per game to War Memorial. Long term, having a football program could reverse the course at their school of losing enrollment and being considered just a city college. Now I have to leave, got a 2 hour drive to Jboro to watch stAte put an a$$ whipping on the Bobcats!

I suppose its possible, but Little Rock drawing 15K to 20K consistently is hard to picture. Little Rock is just not a sports town.

We have a very weird sports dynamic in this state that outsiders often can't quite grasp.

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Yeah, I see it the same way. UTA is a school of nearly 40k students in a metroplex that has more then twice the population of the state of Arkansas. And it's hard to think of a Texas area being over saturated in football. Also, UTA does have a history, some of those folks, families, will return. UALR will have to create a following that has never existed.

No matter what school you go to, its considered ill-manners and a social faux pas not to be a hog fan first and foremost.

If you are a weird one who is only a fan of his little school, thats sort of ok as long as you keep quiet about the hogs. If you don't you are considered a nutter.

We are a little immunized because our region grew up more inside the Memphis sphere of media influence. Little Rock (UALR) is dead center of the media bubble, no competing voices.

We are seen as rude and ill-mannered because a lot of our fans don't pay proper respects to UA.

Is Little Rock (UALR) going to try to market themselves as a rebellious upstart too? Or are they going to try to fit their football program into a niche of being a harmless friendly side-chick? Either one will have issues associated with it.

Its a weird environment to maneuver in. Even our own administrations have been known to take neutral stances and make soothing noises. And we are not even part of the same university system as UA.

How do they build a fan base of fierce loyalists either way?



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And for some reason you don't think it's the same in Alabama with UA and AU. At least U of Arkansas isn't winning championships every year.

LR would have to build the same way GaSt, UAB and South have built it. It takes generations to pass to have a true fanbase. Before that you are just nursing off whatever big school is in your state.

For ever you go to games at UAB or South and the Bama and Auburn shirts outnumbered the home team. That is changing now, but it took time. It will take that same time for any school starting football, in Arkansas or not.

(11-18-2017 01:11 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 12:55 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 12:18 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 12:00 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 11:41 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  I suppose this is all just wishful thinking, but for it to really happen, it will take the Razorbacks exiting the LR market for good and Little Rock putting together a plan similar to what USA and Georgia State have done. In the end, they could have a decent program that would draw 15 to 20k per game to War Memorial. Long term, having a football program could reverse the course at their school of losing enrollment and being considered just a city college. Now I have to leave, got a 2 hour drive to Jboro to watch stAte put an a$$ whipping on the Bobcats!

I suppose its possible, but Little Rock drawing 15K to 20K consistently is hard to picture. Little Rock is just not a sports town.

We have a very weird sports dynamic in this state that outsiders often can't quite grasp.

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Yeah, I see it the same way. UTA is a school of nearly 40k students in a metroplex that has more then twice the population of the state of Arkansas. And it's hard to think of a Texas area being over saturated in football. Also, UTA does have a history, some of those folks, families, will return. UALR will have to create a following that has never existed.

No matter what school you go to, its considered ill-manners and a social faux pas not to be a hog fan first and foremost.

If you are a weird one who is only a fan of his little school, thats sort of ok as long as you keep quiet about the hogs. If you don't you are considered a nutter.

We are a little immunized because our region grew up more inside the Memphis sphere of media influence. Little Rock (UALR) is dead center of the media bubble, no competing voices.

We are seen as rude and ill-mannered because a lot of our fans don't pay proper respects to UA.

Is Little Rock (UALR) going to try to market themselves as a rebellious upstart too? Or are they going to try to fit their football program into a niche of being a harmless friendly side-chick? Either one will have issues associated with it.

Its a weird environment to maneuver in. Even our own administrations have been known to take neutral stances and make soothing noises. And we are not even part of the same university system as UA.

How do they build a fan base of fierce loyalists either way?



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And for some reason you don't think it's the same in Alabama with UA and AU. At least U of Arkansas isn't winning championships every year.

LR would have to build the same way GaSt, UAB and South have built it. It takes generations to pass to have a true fanbase. Before that you are just nursing off whatever big school is in your state.

For ever you go to games at UAB or South and the Bama and Auburn shirts outnumbered the home team. That is changing now, but it took time. It will take that same time for any school starting football, in Arkansas or not.

Biggest difference is that in Arkansas the Razorbacks actively work to make sure no one in the state can challenge them. Bama and Auburn don't have that concern.

(11-18-2017 01:11 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 12:55 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 12:18 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 12:00 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 11:41 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  I suppose this is all just wishful thinking, but for it to really happen, it will take the Razorbacks exiting the LR market for good and Little Rock putting together a plan similar to what USA and Georgia State have done. In the end, they could have a decent program that would draw 15 to 20k per game to War Memorial. Long term, having a football program could reverse the course at their school of losing enrollment and being considered just a city college. Now I have to leave, got a 2 hour drive to Jboro to watch stAte put an a$$ whipping on the Bobcats!

I suppose its possible, but Little Rock drawing 15K to 20K consistently is hard to picture. Little Rock is just not a sports town.

We have a very weird sports dynamic in this state that outsiders often can't quite grasp.

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Yeah, I see it the same way. UTA is a school of nearly 40k students in a metroplex that has more then twice the population of the state of Arkansas. And it's hard to think of a Texas area being over saturated in football. Also, UTA does have a history, some of those folks, families, will return. UALR will have to create a following that has never existed.

No matter what school you go to, its considered ill-manners and a social faux pas not to be a hog fan first and foremost.

If you are a weird one who is only a fan of his little school, thats sort of ok as long as you keep quiet about the hogs. If you don't you are considered a nutter.

We are a little immunized because our region grew up more inside the Memphis sphere of media influence. Little Rock (UALR) is dead center of the media bubble, no competing voices.

We are seen as rude and ill-mannered because a lot of our fans don't pay proper respects to UA.

Is Little Rock (UALR) going to try to market themselves as a rebellious upstart too? Or are they going to try to fit their football program into a niche of being a harmless friendly side-chick? Either one will have issues associated with it.

Its a weird environment to maneuver in. Even our own administrations have been known to take neutral stances and make soothing noises. And we are not even part of the same university system as UA.

How do they build a fan base of fierce loyalists either way?



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And for some reason you don't think it's the same in Alabama with UA and AU. At least U of Arkansas isn't winning championships every year.

LR would have to build the same way GaSt, UAB and South have built it. It takes generations to pass to have a true fanbase. Before that you are just nursing off whatever big school is in your state.

For ever you go to games at UAB or South and the Bama and Auburn shirts outnumbered the home team. That is changing now, but it took time. It will take that same time for any school starting football, in Arkansas or not.

Its not the same. Its a Nebraska-like environment more than an Alabama. Fans in Alabama understand already that teams play each other and that people in the same state can have different loyalties.

Here in Arkansas your own alumni are expected to be Hogs fans first and if they do not.. they are sort of weirdos and rude and must be put in their place.

I've had a lady UCA graduate who does not like football and has never attended a UA game look shocked when I told her I don't care about the Hogs. Its not an unusual type reaction even from non-football oriented Arkansans.

They've marketed it so that to be an Arkansan, you must love the Hogs first or not be a real Arkansan. Alabama is not like that.

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I get what you're saying. But the "Are you Auburn or Alabama?" Question in this state is real. When the answer is, "I'm a Jaguar" you confuse the asker and obviously you really don't understand the question. And they ask again.

Much like my argument with GaSt fan in another thread, your city/state is just like every other city/state. I travel for a living, every town is the same, they all have Walmart, no one can drive(anywhere) and the weather will always change in 5 minutes. Your home is special to you, and no one else.

(11-18-2017 01:55 PM)Usajags Wrote:  I get what you're saying. But the "Are you Auburn or Alabama?" Question in this state is real. When the answer is, "I'm a Jaguar" you confuse the asker and obviously you really don't understand the question. And they ask again.

Much like my argument with GaSt fan in another thread, your city/state is just like every other city/state. I travel for a living, every town is the same, they all have Walmart, no one can drive(anywhere) and the weather will always change in 5 minutes. Your home is special to you, and no one else.

There is no question here because its assumed. The last time I told someone I wasn't a Razorback fan, they asked what state I was from.

(11-18-2017 01:55 PM)Usajags Wrote:  I get what you're saying. But the "Are you Auburn or Alabama?" Question in this state is real. When the answer is, "I'm a Jaguar" you confuse the asker and obviously you really don't understand the question. And they ask again.

Much like my argument with GaSt fan in another thread, your city/state is just like every other city/state. I travel for a living, every town is the same, they all have Walmart, no one can drive(anywhere) and the weather will always change in 5 minutes. Your home is special to you, and no one else.

Well, you can say you know better than us. But what matters is that Little Rock fans will get it, at least I hope they do.

Little Rock has a tv station that doesn't even really bother to do sports. Just Hogs. Their website doesn't even have a real sports section. Its News, Weather, Pig Trail Nation. Seriously.

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(11-18-2017 02:09 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 01:55 PM)Usajags Wrote:  I get what you're saying. But the "Are you Auburn or Alabama?" Question in this state is real. When the answer is, "I'm a Jaguar" you confuse the asker and obviously you really don't understand the question. And they ask again.

Much like my argument with GaSt fan in another thread, your city/state is just like every other city/state. I travel for a living, every town is the same, they all have Walmart, no one can drive(anywhere) and the weather will always change in 5 minutes. Your home is special to you, and no one else.

Well, you can say you know better than us. But what matters is that Little Rock fans will get it, at least I hope they do.

Little Rock has a tv station that doesn't even really bother to do sports. Just Hogs. Their website doesn't even have a real sports section. Its News, Weather, Pig Trail Nation. Seriously.

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I am gonna let in a little secret, Graduated from Louisiana, been a life long fan since was 3, Geaux Cajuns, moved to Monroe, La. for work, lived here for 7 yrs. Work with alot of guys from Arkansas. So if I seem like I support ULM I do. I want them to be successful, might be because I don’t like Tech who knows.

I know the mentality y’all talking about. Arkansas fans are the most delusional they rank up there with Notre Dame ( Yes I said it.) and they are loyal. I think the Little Rock market can over come because it is such a big market, At a certain point people just want to see football. With a town of 350,000, you gonna have people that show up. I think they can break out. This isn’t UCA or any other college around Little Rock. They are smack dab in Little Rock. Which gives them the advantage, and they are playing smack dab in Little Rock.

(11-18-2017 04:10 PM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 02:09 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 01:55 PM)Usajags Wrote:  I get what you're saying. But the "Are you Auburn or Alabama?" Question in this state is real. When the answer is, "I'm a Jaguar" you confuse the asker and obviously you really don't understand the question. And they ask again.

Much like my argument with GaSt fan in another thread, your city/state is just like every other city/state. I travel for a living, every town is the same, they all have Walmart, no one can drive(anywhere) and the weather will always change in 5 minutes. Your home is special to you, and no one else.

Well, you can say you know better than us. But what matters is that Little Rock fans will get it, at least I hope they do.

Little Rock has a tv station that doesn't even really bother to do sports. Just Hogs. Their website doesn't even have a real sports section. Its News, Weather, Pig Trail Nation. Seriously.

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I am gonna let in a little secret, Graduated from Louisiana, been a life long fan since was 3, moved to Monroe, La. for work lived here for 7 yrs. Work with alot of guys from Arkansas. So if I seem like I support ULM I do. I want them to be successful, might be because I don’t like Tech.

I know the mentality y’all talking about. Arkansas fans are the most delusional they rank up there with Notre Dame ( Yes I said it.) they are loyal. I think the Little Rock market can over come because it is such a big market, that people will show up, at a certain point people just want to see football. With a town of 350,000, you gonna have people that show up. I think they can break out. This isn’t UCA or any other college around Little Rock. They are smack dab in Little Rock. I think at a certain point people just want to see football

Sure, it can be done. I'm just saying its going to be tougher than it was for us, and tougher than it was for USA.

The other day Blake Anderson made a joke about the Hogs at the Little Rock Touchdown Club.

One of the LR radio guys who used to work for UA got so mad that he said on the radio "the last person to make a crack like that about the Hogs was Mike Newell at UALR and he didn't have a job long". He wasn't being light-hearted either.

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(11-18-2017 04:16 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 04:10 PM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 02:09 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 01:55 PM)Usajags Wrote:  I get what you're saying. But the "Are you Auburn or Alabama?" Question in this state is real. When the answer is, "I'm a Jaguar" you confuse the asker and obviously you really don't understand the question. And they ask again.

Much like my argument with GaSt fan in another thread, your city/state is just like every other city/state. I travel for a living, every town is the same, they all have Walmart, no one can drive(anywhere) and the weather will always change in 5 minutes. Your home is special to you, and no one else.

Well, you can say you know better than us. But what matters is that Little Rock fans will get it, at least I hope they do.

Little Rock has a tv station that doesn't even really bother to do sports. Just Hogs. Their website doesn't even have a real sports section. Its News, Weather, Pig Trail Nation. Seriously.

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I am gonna let in a little secret, Graduated from Louisiana, been a life long fan since was 3, moved to Monroe, La. for work lived here for 7 yrs. Work with alot of guys from Arkansas. So if I seem like I support ULM I do. I want them to be successful, might be because I don’t like Tech.

I know the mentality y’all talking about. Arkansas fans are the most delusional they rank up there with Notre Dame ( Yes I said it.) they are loyal. I think the Little Rock market can over come because it is such a big market, that people will show up, at a certain point people just want to see football. With a town of 350,000, you gonna have people that show up. I think they can break out. This isn’t UCA or any other college around Little Rock. They are smack dab in Little Rock. I think at a certain point people just want to see football

Sure, it can be done. I'm just saying its going to be tougher than it was for us, and tougher than it was for USA.

The other day Blake Anderson made a joke about the Hogs at the Little Rock Touchdown Club.

One of the LR radio guys who used to work for UA got so mad that he said on the radio "the last person to make a crack like that about the Hogs was Mike Newell at UALR and he didn't have a job long". He wasn't being light-hearted either.

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My wife she is from Arkansas, most of her family graduated from A-State, we went to a family reunion in Jonesboro, and when I tell you I was so impressed almost brought a tear to my eye , they had there Red Wolves chairs, and tents. You have people in Jonesboro around town they are putting out there A-State flags, and didn’t really see to much Razorback stuff, felt like I was in rebel resistance strong hold area of Arkansas. It was nice