We're gonna have to rename the DavidSt Conference Conference NoDak pretty soon.

(11-15-2017 08:00 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  We're gonna have to rename the DavidSt Conference Conference NoDak pretty soon.

This board has completely underestimated the desire from certain FCS presidents to move up to FBS. It's coming. Maybe three new FBS conferences: the ASun, the WAC, and the Summit.

(11-15-2017 08:08 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 08:00 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  We're gonna have to rename the DavidSt Conference Conference NoDak pretty soon.

This board has completely underestimated the desire from certain FCS presidents to move up to FBS. It's coming. Maybe three new FBS conferences: the ASun, the WAC, and the Summit.

You've lost the plot. By 2025ish, there will be a new CFP will 8 teams and fewer conferences. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the MAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt get demoted. The major conferences want to play more big opponents and less pay games going forward. The new P4 plus the weakened Big 12 and AAC and the MW and a few independents will be all that will be left. A thinning of the herd is coming.

(11-15-2017 08:08 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 08:00 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  We're gonna have to rename the DavidSt Conference Conference NoDak pretty soon.

This board has completely underestimated the desire from certain FCS presidents to move up to FBS. It's coming. Maybe three new FBS conferences: the ASun, the WAC, and the Summit.

I still feel the only way it gets pulled off is to split C-USA.

The Atlantic Sun needs to lure Marshall, Charlotte, and Old Dominion to make this work, because it flips C-USA from the “no” camp to the “yes” camp. The P5 will gladly let the G5 product get diluted.

I don’t feel there’s enough viable candidates for both a WAC and a Summit. There’s probably at best 3 candidates in the Southland (Sam Houston, Lamar, Stephen F. Austin), 4 candidates in the Summit (the Dakotas), and four to six in the Big Sky (Sacramento State, Portland State, Eastern Washington, Idaho, Montana, and Monatana State). Unless if all 15 schools can make it at about the same time, there certainly won’t be two new FBS conferences in the West. Most likely only the WAC will get elevated simply because it is the path of least resistance.

(11-15-2017 08:19 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 08:08 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 08:00 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  We're gonna have to rename the DavidSt Conference Conference NoDak pretty soon.

This board has completely underestimated the desire from certain FCS presidents to move up to FBS. It's coming. Maybe three new FBS conferences: the ASun, the WAC, and the Summit.

You've lost the plot. By 2025ish, there will be a new CFP will 8 teams and fewer conferences. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the MAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt get demoted. The major conferences want to play more big opponents and less pay games going forward. The new P4 plus the weakened Big 12 and AAC and the MW and a few independents will be all that will be left. A thinning of the herd is coming.

Well that could happen, but many FCS presidents will be damned if they aren't at the same level as the MAC, CUSA and Belt. They need to at least maintain the second level.

(11-15-2017 08:29 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 08:08 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 08:00 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  We're gonna have to rename the DavidSt Conference Conference NoDak pretty soon.

This board has completely underestimated the desire from certain FCS presidents to move up to FBS. It's coming. Maybe three new FBS conferences: the ASun, the WAC, and the Summit.

I still feel the only way it gets pulled off is to split C-USA.

The Atlantic Sun needs to lure Marshall, Charlotte, and Old Dominion to make this work, because it flips C-USA from the “no” camp to the “yes” camp. The P5 will gladly let the G5 product get diluted.

I don’t feel there’s enough viable candidates for both a WAC and a Summit. There’s probably at best 3 candidates in the Southland (Sam Houston, Lamar, Stephen F. Austin), 4 candidates in the Summit (the Dakotas), and four to six in the Big Sky (Sacramento State, Portland State, Eastern Washington, Idaho, Montana, and Monatana State). Unless if all 15 schools can make it at about the same time, there certainly won’t be two new FBS conferences in the West. Most likely only the WAC will get elevated simply because it is the path of least resistance.

CUSA teams won't leave unless they get a cut of the CFP and don't see that happening until the new contract. With a new contract, CUSA will find a way to split.

Texas will yield surprises like UTRGV and UIW, and don't underestimate Mo St and Wichita St's FBS desires.

(11-15-2017 03:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  what's strange about it from a football perspective is Campbell is brining football up to it next year from the Pioneer. So don't think it's necessarily at all a sign that the Big South is going to drop football.

I was always under the impression Campbell was brought up to replace liberty and keep the 6th team necessary for an auto bid. With football member Presbyterian potentially moving down for at least football, it's odd they picked non football member USC Upstate to replace them, and even more odd it was from the ASun, a conference in which they have a working relationship for football and a conference already at the 8 team minimum

(11-15-2017 08:52 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 03:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  what's strange about it from a football perspective is Campbell is brining football up to it next year from the Pioneer. So don't think it's necessarily at all a sign that the Big South is going to drop football.

I was always under the impression Campbell was brought up to replace liberty and keep the 6th team necessary for an auto bid. With football member Presbyterian potentially moving down for at least football, it's odd they picked non football member USC Upstate to replace them, and even more odd it was from the ASun, a conference in which they have a working relationship for football and a conference already at the 8 team minimum

I imagine this move was planned long before PC decided to deal with reality in regards to football. As stated this makes perfect geographical sense for Upstate and it gives them opportunities at potential in-state rivals like Winthrop, PC, and Chuck South.

(11-15-2017 08:52 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 03:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  what's strange about it from a football perspective is Campbell is brining football up to it next year from the Pioneer. So don't think it's necessarily at all a sign that the Big South is going to drop football.

I was always under the impression Campbell was brought up to replace liberty and keep the 6th team necessary for an auto bid. With football member Presbyterian potentially moving down for at least football, it's odd they picked non football member USC Upstate to replace them, and even more odd it was from the ASun, a conference in which they have a working relationship for football and a conference already at the 8 team minimum

The ASun will only have seven full DI members ( UNA doesn't count yet), so they need to get at least one established DI member. The Big South and ASun have established working relationships in FB and lax, so it's unlikely the ASun was blindsided.

Campbell seems to be making a play for the SoCon. UTC and ETSU might be in the FBS equation.

(11-15-2017 08:08 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 08:00 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  We're gonna have to rename the DavidSt Conference Conference NoDak pretty soon.

This board has completely underestimated the desire from certain FCS presidents to move up to FBS. It's coming. Maybe three new FBS conferences: the ASun, the WAC, and the Summit.

MVFC wanted to do a merger with the WAC to move all their football teams to the FBS level. This is for football. It would be a step for the schools to find a new home for all sports. I see the NDSU and SDSU's men's basketball teams being held down in the Summit. If they could beg and barter to be part of the MWC? It could help give MWC multi bids with those two in the mixed.

Nothing like realignment news to bring out NoDak and DavidSt to throw around their far-flung scenarios.

The Atlantic Sun technically doesn’t need another member, as seven “core” members is the minimum, although obviously it doesn’t leave much wiggle room.

I have a hard time seeing Campbell going anywhere, unless if the SoCon loses a school. I don’t think Chattanooga or ETSU is ready for prime time yet, though. Now with that said, I can’t imagine Samford being too thrilled about the SoCon without Chattanooga, so I’d really expect the SoCon to try to grab another Tennessee school like Lipscomb.

My guess is either the Big South is planning on booting Liberty, who the A-Sun in turn would pick up or Presbyterian is leaving D1.

(11-15-2017 09:20 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  My guess is either the Big South is planning on booting Liberty, who the A-Sun in turn would pick up or Presbyterian is leaving D1.

There was acuttlebutt that the Big South might vote them out over the summer, but nothing came of it. There's definitely unhappiness among coaches and ADs that Liberty, which has way more resources and it very obviously trying to leave, is still able to compete for their NCAA tournament bids. Could be just sour grapes, or there might be fire to go with that smoke.

This article mentions traveling to Presbyterian in comparison to FGCU, so I don’t think the Blue Hose are leaving:

http://www.goupstate.com/news/20171115/u...conference

(11-15-2017 04:38 PM)NoDak Wrote:  [quote='Cyniclone' pid='14784187' dateline='1510779108']

The examples are not true trades. If a conference is raided, it almost has to take a poorer athletic program is its place. The ASun can actually move up in a dramatic fashion, which makes these swaps feasible. Before the ASun was almost the lowest of the low, taking on dII teams constantly as the better programs would get poached.

And it still is. They just got raided. For USC-Upstate, but still. They're bringing in North Alabama--from Division II.

The Atlantic Sun has been raided in the last five years by the Big South (USC-Upstate), the Horizon League (Northern Kentucky), the SoCon (ETSU, Mercer) and the Ohio Valley (Belmont). They are, indeed, the lowest of the low, taking on D-2 teams constantly as the better programs get poached.

(11-15-2017 06:16 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Expect Jacksonville St and E Kentucky to move to the Atlantic Sun after the FCS season. JMU, Delaware, Stony Brook, and Albany are possible too. Liberty is a given. We could be seeing the birth of a new FBS league as I foretold in previous threads.

Nobody moves from a semi-respectable I-AA/I-AAA one-bid league to a flophouse for Division 2 callups. So, maybe Liberty is cast out and has to shelter its non-football programs in the cold, dark wasteland of the A-Suck. But no school with any other D-I options is going there.

Oh, and I'd just like to remind you that Jacksonville State, EKU, SMU, Stony Brook, Delaware and Albany aren't FBS programs and aren't going to be in the next 10 years.

(11-15-2017 09:33 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 06:16 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Expect Jacksonville St and E Kentucky to move to the Atlantic Sun after the FCS season. JMU, Delaware, Stony Brook, and Albany are possible too. Liberty is a given. We could be seeing the birth of a new FBS league as I foretold in previous threads.

Nobody moves from a semi-respectable I-AA/I-AAA one-bid league to a flophouse for Division 2 callups. So, maybe Liberty is cast out and has to shelter its non-football programs in the cold, dark wasteland of the A-Suck. But no school with any other D-I options is going there.

Oh, and I'd just like to remind you that Jacksonville State, EKU, SMU, Stony Brook, Delaware and Albany aren't FBS programs and aren't going to be in the next 10 years.

I wonder if Liberty would just go independent for everything instead. The A-Sun would at best be a way station, and they'd be an even more awkward fit than they are in the Big South. Their problem is that none of the conferences they'd like to join (A-10, CAA) have any desire to add them. They best they could hope for is maybe the SoCon?

Nah, Liberty will buy it's way into C-USA

It's a shame that the A-Sun can't attract and keep schools. I'd like them grab more Gulf South football schools, including the Florida ones. They might have an incentive to stay and the geography of 4 other Florida schools would be attractive.