(11-16-2017 07:27 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Happened to Marshall last year. But how much worse would they have been without Litton last year in addition to all the other injuries?

I can answer this one. Over the bad 6 games, we were the worst team in FBS football last year. Marshall 2016 was such an anomaly that losing Litton last year would have made any difference last year. In fact, we did lose Litton for two games.

(11-16-2017 09:16 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 07:29 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 04:21 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 03:56 PM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  After FAU got dialed in, Driskel has been hellaciously good. That whole offense has been a buzzsaw. While I may despise Kiffin and Briles, they can flat out coach.

Stockstill is a good QB but honestly, the offfense this year has been so abysmal, I would never say he's the best because right now he isn't. He has the ability to be but the situation has to right and currently it just isn't.

He is not bad, but, in my opinion, Driskel is FAU's version of Trent Dilfer. An excellent offense manager, avoids making too many mistakes and avoids getting sacked. He is not nearly as talented as Stockstill, White, or Fine, but he is very durable and does not get in the way of the rushing attack. Obviously, he is intelligent, as it takes quite a bit of the brain power to run the very expansive playbook that Kiffin has installed at FAU

No offense meant for the bolded part but "very expansive playbook"? What I see is that Briles call zone read about 70 percent of the plays. It hardly looks expansive watching it.

Over the last 2 games, I have seen 6 different trick plays. And I am not counting just reverses and jet sweeps. There had been two flea flickers (with different personnel involved), two passes off reverses (a WR pass and a QB in slot pass), a wild Owl snap (a variation of a wildcat direct snap), and one more that I can not seem to remember right this minute. I suspect they are not improvising out there, are they?

Wait, so the addition of a few trick plays and wild cat = extensive playbook?

Hold on a sec...




Ok, carry on.

(11-15-2017 10:14 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 10:46 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Amazing these MTSU fans latching on to Injuredstill....The guy has been hurt now for most of 2 seasons, how can anyone say he's better than White? You have to be on the field every game to qualify if we are comparing the two....Bottom line White is available to play every game and Stockhurt is not...

Side note I don't care what happens Friday night, StockHurt probably will light us up like a Christmas tree but it doesn't matter if you are comparing the two 2 QB's....

Stockstill, when healthy, is flat out better.

His freshmen year numbers, under an awful OC were better than White's senior numbers will end up being.

If Stock is healthy for the full year next year, he'll put up better numbers than White did last year.

I've never seen another college QB, at least in person, who is as good as Stock.

If he were even two inches taller, I have no doubt he'd be NFL bound, but undersized, left handed and injury prone, it's just not going to happen.

If he plays 14 games next year, he'll put up the numbers to draw interest, but his future is almost definitely in coaching.

Stockstill is a dink and dunker that is undersized and always gets hurt. Mike White can make every throw and pushes the ball downfield. He's numbers in CUSA blow Stockstills away.

As for not seeing anyone better, Heinicke is about the same size right? Hes bounced around the NFL practice squads and has made it 2-3 years now.

(11-16-2017 02:22 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 02:15 PM)AustinFromUNT Wrote:  https://twitter.com/theathleticcfb/statu...4943910912
According to The All-American, Mason Fine is the best QB in C-USA.

Find another poster on the C-USA board not associated with UNT that would take Mason Fine over Brent Stockstill. I will wait here patiently.

He's a fine player - pun clearly intended - and has had a pretty good year. I look forward to watching him develop over the next couple of years but there are others noteworthy on their season. He might have had one of the best statistical seasons this year but he is not the best QB in the league. Far from it.

Its not very far off. You could make an argument that Fine is just as good right now and has the chance to have a better career.

(11-17-2017 11:16 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 09:16 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 07:29 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 04:21 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 03:56 PM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  After FAU got dialed in, Driskel has been hellaciously good. That whole offense has been a buzzsaw. While I may despise Kiffin and Briles, they can flat out coach.

Stockstill is a good QB but honestly, the offfense this year has been so abysmal, I would never say he's the best because right now he isn't. He has the ability to be but the situation has to right and currently it just isn't.

He is not bad, but, in my opinion, Driskel is FAU's version of Trent Dilfer. An excellent offense manager, avoids making too many mistakes and avoids getting sacked. He is not nearly as talented as Stockstill, White, or Fine, but he is very durable and does not get in the way of the rushing attack. Obviously, he is intelligent, as it takes quite a bit of the brain power to run the very expansive playbook that Kiffin has installed at FAU

No offense meant for the bolded part but "very expansive playbook"? What I see is that Briles call zone read about 70 percent of the plays. It hardly looks expansive watching it.

Over the last 2 games, I have seen 6 different trick plays. And I am not counting just reverses and jet sweeps. There had been two flea flickers (with different personnel involved), two passes off reverses (a WR pass and a QB in slot pass), a wild Owl snap (a variation of a wildcat direct snap), and one more that I can not seem to remember right this minute. I suspect they are not improvising out there, are they?

Wait, so the addition of a few trick plays and wild cat = extensive playbook?

Hold on a sec...




Ok, carry on.

Of course, all of those plays need to be learned, they need to be practiced, everyone needs to know their assignments. Whether you run this play once or twice a season or you run it 20 times a game, you have to spend the same time learning it and practicing it. Or else you will not be attempting it.

(11-17-2017 01:13 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 10:14 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 10:46 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Amazing these MTSU fans latching on to Injuredstill....The guy has been hurt now for most of 2 seasons, how can anyone say he's better than White? You have to be on the field every game to qualify if we are comparing the two....Bottom line White is available to play every game and Stockhurt is not...

Side note I don't care what happens Friday night, StockHurt probably will light us up like a Christmas tree but it doesn't matter if you are comparing the two 2 QB's....

Stockstill, when healthy, is flat out better.

His freshmen year numbers, under an awful OC were better than White's senior numbers will end up being.

If Stock is healthy for the full year next year, he'll put up better numbers than White did last year.

I've never seen another college QB, at least in person, who is as good as Stock.

If he were even two inches taller, I have no doubt he'd be NFL bound, but undersized, left handed and injury prone, it's just not going to happen.

If he plays 14 games next year, he'll put up the numbers to draw interest, but his future is almost definitely in coaching.

Stockstill is a dink and dunker that is undersized and always gets hurt. Mike White can make every throw and pushes the ball downfield. He's numbers in CUSA blow Stockstills away.

As for not seeing anyone better, Heinicke is about the same size right? Hes bounced around the NFL practice squads and has made it 2-3 years now.

You have never been right about Stock and you aren't now, nor is Heinicke better.

(11-17-2017 03:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 01:13 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 10:14 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 10:46 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Amazing these MTSU fans latching on to Injuredstill....The guy has been hurt now for most of 2 seasons, how can anyone say he's better than White? You have to be on the field every game to qualify if we are comparing the two....Bottom line White is available to play every game and Stockhurt is not...

Side note I don't care what happens Friday night, StockHurt probably will light us up like a Christmas tree but it doesn't matter if you are comparing the two 2 QB's....

Stockstill, when healthy, is flat out better.

His freshmen year numbers, under an awful OC were better than White's senior numbers will end up being.

If Stock is healthy for the full year next year, he'll put up better numbers than White did last year.

I've never seen another college QB, at least in person, who is as good as Stock.

If he were even two inches taller, I have no doubt he'd be NFL bound, but undersized, left handed and injury prone, it's just not going to happen.

If he plays 14 games next year, he'll put up the numbers to draw interest, but his future is almost definitely in coaching.

Stockstill is a dink and dunker that is undersized and always gets hurt. Mike White can make every throw and pushes the ball downfield. He's numbers in CUSA blow Stockstills away.

As for not seeing anyone better, Heinicke is about the same size right? Hes bounced around the NFL practice squads and has made it 2-3 years now.

You have never been right about Stock and you aren't now, nor is Heinicke better.

Good luck to Stockstill in his bid for the NFL.

(11-17-2017 03:25 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 01:13 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 10:14 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 10:46 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Amazing these MTSU fans latching on to Injuredstill....The guy has been hurt now for most of 2 seasons, how can anyone say he's better than White? You have to be on the field every game to qualify if we are comparing the two....Bottom line White is available to play every game and Stockhurt is not...

Side note I don't care what happens Friday night, StockHurt probably will light us up like a Christmas tree but it doesn't matter if you are comparing the two 2 QB's....

Stockstill, when healthy, is flat out better.

His freshmen year numbers, under an awful OC were better than White's senior numbers will end up being.

If Stock is healthy for the full year next year, he'll put up better numbers than White did last year.

I've never seen another college QB, at least in person, who is as good as Stock.

If he were even two inches taller, I have no doubt he'd be NFL bound, but undersized, left handed and injury prone, it's just not going to happen.

If he plays 14 games next year, he'll put up the numbers to draw interest, but his future is almost definitely in coaching.

Stockstill is a dink and dunker that is undersized and always gets hurt. Mike White can make every throw and pushes the ball downfield. He's numbers in CUSA blow Stockstills away.

As for not seeing anyone better, Heinicke is about the same size right? Hes bounced around the NFL practice squads and has made it 2-3 years now.

You have never been right about Stock and you aren't now, nor is Heinicke better.

Good luck to Stockstill in his bid for the NFL.

Great college QB =/= great NFL QB

There are plenty of examples of guys who were great as one but not the other, but if that's the way you think this is settled, you'll just continue to be wrong.

(11-17-2017 03:27 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:25 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 01:13 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 10:14 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Stockstill, when healthy, is flat out better.

His freshmen year numbers, under an awful OC were better than White's senior numbers will end up being.

If Stock is healthy for the full year next year, he'll put up better numbers than White did last year.

I've never seen another college QB, at least in person, who is as good as Stock.

If he were even two inches taller, I have no doubt he'd be NFL bound, but undersized, left handed and injury prone, it's just not going to happen.

If he plays 14 games next year, he'll put up the numbers to draw interest, but his future is almost definitely in coaching.

Stockstill is a dink and dunker that is undersized and always gets hurt. Mike White can make every throw and pushes the ball downfield. He's numbers in CUSA blow Stockstills away.

As for not seeing anyone better, Heinicke is about the same size right? Hes bounced around the NFL practice squads and has made it 2-3 years now.

You have never been right about Stock and you aren't now, nor is Heinicke better.

Good luck to Stockstill in his bid for the NFL.

Great college QB =/= great NFL QB

There are plenty of examples of guys who were great as one but not the other, but if that's the way you think this is settled, you'll just continue to be wrong.

And you will continue to keep saying it without zero support for your opinion. Good luck to Stockstill tonight.

(11-17-2017 03:38 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:27 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:25 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 01:13 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Stockstill is a dink and dunker that is undersized and always gets hurt. Mike White can make every throw and pushes the ball downfield. He's numbers in CUSA blow Stockstills away.

As for not seeing anyone better, Heinicke is about the same size right? Hes bounced around the NFL practice squads and has made it 2-3 years now.

You have never been right about Stock and you aren't now, nor is Heinicke better.

Good luck to Stockstill in his bid for the NFL.

Great college QB =/= great NFL QB

There are plenty of examples of guys who were great as one but not the other, but if that's the way you think this is settled, you'll just continue to be wrong.

And you will continue to keep saying it without zero support for your opinion. Good luck to Stockstill tonight.

For at least the third time, I'll point out that White's senior year numbers are no better than Stock's freshman year numbers.

And no, Stock is not a "dink and dunker", he may not have the 60+ yard throw, but I've seen him put it on a dime in the 40-50 yard range plenty of times.

(11-17-2017 03:42 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:38 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:27 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:25 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  You have never been right about Stock and you aren't now, nor is Heinicke better.

Good luck to Stockstill in his bid for the NFL.

Great college QB =/= great NFL QB

There are plenty of examples of guys who were great as one but not the other, but if that's the way you think this is settled, you'll just continue to be wrong.

And you will continue to keep saying it without zero support for your opinion. Good luck to Stockstill tonight.

For at least the third time, I'll point out that White's senior year numbers are no better than Stock's freshman year numbers.

I must have ignored the cherry picking? How about Whites numbers last year? Stockstill has never come anywhere close to those numbers. How about White superior numbers this year with no offensive line and very little weapons?

Stockstill averages 6.9 yards per attempt this year coming up after 7.8 last year and 8.2 the year before. 6.9 would put him 7th in the conference this year. He was 5th in conference last year and White averaged almost 3 yards PER ATTEMPT better last year.

There has never been any supportable data that would suggest Stockstill is the superior QB on this board ever. I don't even care about either program, it's just silly that MTSU posters cannot stop with the nonsense.

(11-17-2017 03:50 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  And no, Stock is not a "dink and dunker", he may not have the 60+ yard throw, but I've seen him put it on a dime in the 40-50 yard range plenty of times.

I once had a 10 hit on me. I must be the ultimate ladies man.

(11-17-2017 03:59 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:42 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:38 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:27 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:25 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Good luck to Stockstill in his bid for the NFL.

Great college QB =/= great NFL QB

There are plenty of examples of guys who were great as one but not the other, but if that's the way you think this is settled, you'll just continue to be wrong.

And you will continue to keep saying it without zero support for your opinion. Good luck to Stockstill tonight.

For at least the third time, I'll point out that White's senior year numbers are no better than Stock's freshman year numbers.

I must have ignored the cherry picking? How about Whites numbers last year? Stockstill has never come anywhere close to those numbers. How about White superior numbers this year with no offensive line and very little weapons?

Stockstill averages 6.9 yards per attempt this year coming up after 7.8 last year and 8.2 the year before. 6.9 would put him 7th in the conference this year. He was 5th in conference last year and White averaged almost 3 yards PER ATTEMPT better last year.

There has never been any supportable data that would suggest Stockstill is the superior QB on this board ever. I don't even care about either program, it's just silly that MTSU posters cannot stop with the nonsense.

Stock has had only one completely healthy season and that was with Buster Faulkner as his OC, so that was his only chance to even come close.

If he plays a full season next year, he'll put up the numbers you're looking for.

(11-17-2017 03:59 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:50 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  And no, Stock is not a "dink and dunker", he may not have the 60+ yard throw, but I've seen him put it on a dime in the 40-50 yard range plenty of times.

I once had a 10 hit on me. I must be the ultimate ladies man.

"Plenty of times" equals once?

No friend, Stock is not a dink and dunker. He has every throw except the all out bomb and most quarterbacks don't have that.

Any throw under 50 yards, I'll take Stock over White, over Heinicke etc etc etc.

I expect White to be a dink and dunker tonight to combat all the blitzes. White is very good at catch, 1, 2 release. Both QBs do that well. But if White tries to look for the long ball tonight he might be eating some rubber.

Dilly dilly.

(11-17-2017 04:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:59 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:42 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:38 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:27 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Great college QB =/= great NFL QB

There are plenty of examples of guys who were great as one but not the other, but if that's the way you think this is settled, you'll just continue to be wrong.

And you will continue to keep saying it without zero support for your opinion. Good luck to Stockstill tonight.

For at least the third time, I'll point out that White's senior year numbers are no better than Stock's freshman year numbers.

I must have ignored the cherry picking? How about Whites numbers last year? Stockstill has never come anywhere close to those numbers. How about White superior numbers this year with no offensive line and very little weapons?

Stockstill averages 6.9 yards per attempt this year coming up after 7.8 last year and 8.2 the year before. 6.9 would put him 7th in the conference this year. He was 5th in conference last year and White averaged almost 3 yards PER ATTEMPT better last year.

There has never been any supportable data that would suggest Stockstill is the superior QB on this board ever. I don't even care about either program, it's just silly that MTSU posters cannot stop with the nonsense.

Stock has had only one completely healthy season and that was with Buster Faulkner as his OC, so that was his only chance to even come close.

If he plays a full season next year, he'll put up the numbers you're looking for.

So you are concluding that you believe he could possibly be the better QB if he has a healthy season and a good OC, but that has not occured yet?

If he puts up the year next year that White did this past year then MTSU will run away with the conference.

(11-17-2017 04:23 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 04:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:59 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:42 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:38 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  And you will continue to keep saying it without zero support for your opinion. Good luck to Stockstill tonight.

For at least the third time, I'll point out that White's senior year numbers are no better than Stock's freshman year numbers.

I must have ignored the cherry picking? How about Whites numbers last year? Stockstill has never come anywhere close to those numbers. How about White superior numbers this year with no offensive line and very little weapons?

Stockstill averages 6.9 yards per attempt this year coming up after 7.8 last year and 8.2 the year before. 6.9 would put him 7th in the conference this year. He was 5th in conference last year and White averaged almost 3 yards PER ATTEMPT better last year.

There has never been any supportable data that would suggest Stockstill is the superior QB on this board ever. I don't even care about either program, it's just silly that MTSU posters cannot stop with the nonsense.

Stock has had only one completely healthy season and that was with Buster Faulkner as his OC, so that was his only chance to even come close.

If he plays a full season next year, he'll put up the numbers you're looking for.

So you are concluding that you believe he could possibly be the better QB if he has a healthy season and a good OC, but that has not occured yet?

If he puts up the year next year that White did this past year then MTSU will run away with the conference.

Plausible. If there is any silver lining to this season it is the number of youngins that got legit time on the field. But after what's happened I have absolutely no delusions of grandeur. I fully expect something to go wrong next year. I feel bad for the kid. He's had some really bad luck with 300 lb DTs landing on top of him just right. As good of a young man as he is he deserves better, but life's not fair. That's how it goes sometimes.

Mike White: 39/54 for 485yds and 5 TD. I think this discussion is over!

(11-18-2017 01:53 AM)Psychored Wrote:  Mike White: 39/54 for 485yds and 5 TD. I think this discussion is over!

I’ll toast your cup of coffee to that!