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I have several friends who live in Florida and are fans of University Of Central Florida. It is kind of interesting how their season is paralleling WMU’s season last year. They are undefeated, but getting little to no respect, and not even in the national conversation for a final 4 appearance. When broadcasters start talking about top teams, UCF is hardly mentioned. Even if they win out it will be tough for them to crack the top 10, although right now they have a lock on a New Year’s Bowl. Anyway……….such is the life of a non P5 school, but similar to where Western was last year.
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RE: UCF
(11-12-2017 10:41 AM)sdsly Wrote: I have several friends who live in Florida and are fans of University Of Central Florida. It is kind of interesting how their season is paralleling WMU’s season last year. They are undefeated, but getting little to no respect, and not even in the national conversation for a final 4 appearance. When broadcasters start talking about top teams, UCF is hardly mentioned. Even if they win out it will be tough for them to crack the top 10, although right now they have a lock on a New Year’s Bowl. Anyway……….such is the life of a non P5 school, but similar to where Western was last year.
It is more about ratings and brand then who is actually deserving based on the field of play.
That's how Ohio State got in last year, when PSU was more deserving as conference champion.
Look for another undeserving Pig10 team to squeeze in this year, too.
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11-12-2017 11:50 AM |
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Not sure UCF is top 4 worthy, but I think they are a very good football team. We weren't top 4 worthy last year either.
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11-12-2017 12:36 PM |
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RE: UCF
(11-12-2017 12:36 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote: Not sure UCF is top 4 worthy, but I think they are a very good football team. We weren't top 4 worthy last year either.
Probably not "Top 4 Worthy," but any conference champion is more deserving than a 3rd place team, which OSU was last season.
Only conference champions should be allowed to participate in the playoff.
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11-12-2017 12:47 PM |
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RE: UCF
The way the system is currently set, there will NEVER be a G5 making the playoff barring something insane like 4 straight 13-0 years. With the addition of the committee, they can keep whoever they want out for whatever reason they want, which is why there's such a huge disparity between our CFP rank last year and the previous BCS ranks of G5 teams having similar seasons.
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11-12-2017 01:05 PM |
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RE: UCF
Someone like Boise could make it one year if they played and beat the right teams. They aren't as good as used to be, but have established a name brand equivalent to a P5.
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11-12-2017 02:03 PM |
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RE: UCF
UCF QB is 5'10 and people on here bitching about Goddard at 6'.
'Merica
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11-12-2017 04:10 PM |
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RE: UCF
(11-12-2017 12:47 PM)GullLake Wrote: (11-12-2017 12:36 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote: Not sure UCF is top 4 worthy, but I think they are a very good football team. We weren't top 4 worthy last year either.
Probably not "Top 4 Worthy," but any conference champion is more deserving than a 3rd place team, which OSU was last season.
Only conference champions should be allowed to participate in the playoff.
That's not true IMO. So theoretically, if Bama and UGA finished 12-0 (I know UGA just lost) and Bama beat UGA 28-27 in the SECCG, UGA is automatically not a top 4 team? Situations like this are very circumstantial and you take it year by year.
Also, last year OSU was 11-1 and they already beat Wisconsin. Their lone loss was by 3 points to Sandusky U. Wisconsin was 10-2 in the regular season with 2 conference losses. OSU > Wisconsin, so I wouldn't call them 3rd place in the B10 considering the top 3 teams in the B10 were all in the same division.
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RE: UCF
UCF's game with Georgia Tech was cancelled in September due to a hurricane, which would've certainly been their biggest test.
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11-13-2017 09:19 AM |
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RE: UCF
UCF isn't top 4 worthy, but they're a very good team. Probably better than we were last year.
They handed Maryland their worst loss (38-10) besides Ohio State, and beat pretty solid Memphis and Navy squads both by double digits.
I think they're ranked probably about where they should be right now.
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11-13-2017 09:31 AM |
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I can't stand those AAC schools and third fans. They are the only G5 conference who's fans root against other G5 schools, because they think they are a P5 conference, and are so eager to push that idea, even though clearly they aren't at all. In fact, I think the mountain West is equal, just depending on the year. The AAC does terribly in the bowl season. Regardless, I can no longer root for schools in them at conference. The AAC board just demolished WMU last year for getting the Cotton bowl, and they have no humility or intelligence with respect to third comments. I hope all those schools lose as many as possible.
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11-13-2017 09:38 AM |
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RE: UCF
(11-13-2017 09:31 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote: UCF isn't top 4 worthy, but they're a very good team. Probably better than we were last year.
They handed Maryland their worst loss (38-10) besides Ohio State, and beat pretty solid Memphis and Navy squads both by double digits.
I think they're ranked probably about where they should be right now.
UCF is having a fine year, but the jury is out on whether they are better than we were last year.
They did beat up that Maryland team that's 2-5 in their conference, likely 2-7 with MSU and PSU left on their schedule. And we also demolished an Illinois team that finished 2-7. So that's a wash.
And their win at Navy/Memphis is generally comparable to our win at 9-win Toledo.
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11-13-2017 09:52 AM |
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RE: UCF
(11-13-2017 09:38 AM)brovol Wrote: I can't stand those AAC schools and third fans. They are the only G5 conference who's fans root against other G5 schools, because they think they are a P5 conference, and are so eager to push that idea, even though clearly they aren't at all. In fact, I think the mountain West is equal, just depending on the year. The AAC does terribly in the bowl season. Regardless, I can no longer root for schools in them at conference. The AAC board just demolished WMU last year for getting the Cotton bowl, and they have no humility or intelligence with respect to third comments. I hope all those schools lose as many as possible.
It's a top heavy conference. Usually there are 3-4 pretty good teams... some combination of Houston, Navy, Memphis, and one of the FL schools... one of which might be Top 25 worthy. But the rest of the league is garbage. Agree with you that an accurate comparison is the Mountain West. The AAC might be a half notch above the MAC, but I think about every third or fourth year we have the better overall league from top to bottom. No question they have an inferiority complex.
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11-13-2017 10:16 AM |
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(11-13-2017 10:16 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote: (11-13-2017 09:38 AM)brovol Wrote: I can't stand those AAC schools and third fans. They are the only G5 conference who's fans root against other G5 schools, because they think they are a P5 conference, and are so eager to push that idea, even though clearly they aren't at all. In fact, I think the mountain West is equal, just depending on the year. The AAC does terribly in the bowl season. Regardless, I can no longer root for schools in them at conference. The AAC board just demolished WMU last year for getting the Cotton bowl, and they have no humility or intelligence with respect to third comments. I hope all those schools lose as many as possible.
It's a top heavy conference. Usually there are 3-4 pretty good teams... some combination of Houston, Navy, Memphis, and one of the FL schools... one of which might be Top 25 worthy. But the rest of the league is garbage. Agree with you that an accurate comparison is the Mountain West. The AAC might be a half notch above the MAC, but I think about every third or fourth year we have the better overall league from top to bottom. No question they have an inferiority complex.
Are the AAC schools wearing the “P6” stickers on their helmets and displaying that in their stadiums again this year? I haven’t paid attention. That was utter nonsense.
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RE: UCF
The reality is the AAC is a way better conference than the MAC right now. MAC on a down trend, AAC on an up trend. Start with recent and current recruiting rankings. Next, go to the coaches. Finish with current rankings or whatever metric you'd like. Head to head there's no comparison. Toledo was supposed to be the cream of the MAC crop, and promptly went out and got embarrassed by Ohio this week.
UCF, USF, Memphis, Navy, and Houston would all likely win the MAC this year.
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(11-13-2017 10:44 AM)EagleTough Wrote: The reality is the AAC is a way better conference than the MAC right now. MAC on a down trend, AAC on an up trend. Start with recent and current recruiting rankings. Next, go to the coaches. Finish with current rankings or whatever metric you'd like. Head to head there's no comparison. Toledo was supposed to be the cream of the MAC crop, and promptly went out and got embarrassed by Ohio this week.
UCF, USF, Memphis, Navy, and Houston would all likely win the MAC this year.
And likely beat an overrated Wisconsin team, too!
So hoping the Pig10 gets shut-out from the four team playoff!!!!
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11-13-2017 12:43 PM |
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(11-13-2017 10:44 AM)EagleTough Wrote: The reality is the AAC is a way better conference than the MAC right now. MAC on a down trend, AAC on an up trend. Start with recent and current recruiting rankings. Next, go to the coaches. Finish with current rankings or whatever metric you'd like. Head to head there's no comparison. Toledo was supposed to be the cream of the MAC crop, and promptly went out and got embarrassed by Ohio this week.
UCF, USF, Memphis, Navy, and Houston would all likely win the MAC this year.
I agree that the AAC is better, but you are overstating the distinction. What the AAC has is more quality teams most years. Toledo most certainly can compete with the best teams in the AAC, as could NIU. WMU was better than all of the AAC teams last year. The AAC has some very excellent football programs. They have their share of duds too. The MAC typically has only one or two real quality teams, but those teams are on the same level most years as the AAC contenders. The AAC would be a tough place to compete year in and year out in both football and basketball, because of the high numbers of good programs, but they are still a G5 conference. They deal with the same issues that we do. They just think they are real swell, when their poop smells the same as ours. (Well, mine doesn't actually stink, but you understand my point).
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11-13-2017 03:39 PM |
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The MAC's two biggest advantages over the AAC is 1) History and continuity over time (relatively speaking), and 2) More geographically focused in one area of the country
As long as the college football landscape continues to ebb and flow with conference realignment and money-grabbing among P5's, bowl games, CFP, etc. the MAC will always sustain a solid level of consistency for those reasons listed above.
We could argue all day over which conference is more competitive (nationally speaking), but at the end of the day we're in the same boat as them (as brovol pointed out) and AAC certainly isn't "way better" or else UCF wouldn't be undefeated and barely able to crack the Top 15.
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