(11-06-2017 02:25 PM)msu65 Wrote:  Everyone does realize our coaches have small buyouts because they negotiate it into their contracts when they agree to come here. We don't have the cache to demand a desirable coach come with a large buyout.

no, they don't realize........real and reality aren't concepts with which they are familiar

it's amazing how far from reality some people are...

we are not even close to a job that someone would stay at long term with success...so you go out and get hungry assistants looking to win fast and move up. Those guys will not sign a contract with a big buyout.

Norvell is a star. Enjoy the rest of the season and thank him when he does move on.

(11-06-2017 01:55 PM)Memphis10Tigers Wrote:  Even if Norvell were to stay, deep down I question the long-term sustainability of our success. Realistically, can we expect every walk-on to turn into an Anthony Miller? And has any other QB shown they can perform at Riley and Paxton’s level. Did we just happen to trap lightning in a bottle?

I hope I’m wrong - support and investment in the program is definitely improving which is absolutely critical to sustained success.

Have a little faith in an improving program. We have been recruiting at a much higher level over the last 3-4 yrs. Miller was a WO during Fuente's 1st yr, then red-shirted. We also have a couple of pretty good QBs here now & another committed but it remains to be seen if we will have a QB to sustain at the pace of PL or RF. And that is always the challenge at every level, look at Auburn or UF, great talent in the program but no top-level QB. But across the board we are much better off than during our down yrs.

Word on the street, Frost going to Florida
I haven't heard of any commits latley, not a good sign, but maybe we're set for next yr.

(11-06-2017 09:58 AM)TG4 Wrote:  I’m more concerned about TAMU now. Seriously. They could make him a very wealthy man and there is talent on that team 3-deep.

We are who we are and that’s Ok.

Been saying that all year. Florida would be a good job for him. But I figure they have their sights set "higher". No way on Old Miss. Not sure what to make of UTK or Arky. But TAMU has been a concern for me all year.

(11-06-2017 01:34 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:30 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:24 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:18 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:05 PM)tigergg Wrote:  You put it in there contract before they sign on.. Do you think it would have kept Fuente or Norvell from taking there first HC job.. Maybe I’m missing something but I doubt a 5mil buyout would keep them from taking the job.. Now I understand if they end up being bad Coaches we can’t afford to fire them but according to some we will keep on keeping on.. So if they are confident enough to keep the ball rolling with whomever they get next put a big buyout in the Contract so the school can at least get decent money out of it.. What is Norvell’s buyout? 500k, that’s chump change if so..

yes. a big buyout would keep them from taking the job.

I doubt it. A school like FL or A&M wants our coach, they can pay $5mill almost as easily as they can pay $500k. They've got that lying around in their couch. Any OC from the P5 (seems to be the blueprint for us) already knows this.

That’s the way I thought, the School that gets your Coach has to pay the buyout to get him.. It isn’t gonna keep first year Coaches from taking the job.. Now your stuck if they don’t pan out of course..

yall are too dense for me to waste my time on.

Colorado State made Florida pay the entire buyout for Mclewain, it was $7M

Buyout

Norvell buyout listed at $4.3M

College FB Salaries and Buyouts

(11-06-2017 01:34 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:30 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:24 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:18 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:05 PM)tigergg Wrote:  You put it in there contract before they sign on.. Do you think it would have kept Fuente or Norvell from taking there first HC job.. Maybe I’m missing something but I doubt a 5mil buyout would keep them from taking the job.. Now I understand if they end up being bad Coaches we can’t afford to fire them but according to some we will keep on keeping on.. So if they are confident enough to keep the ball rolling with whomever they get next put a big buyout in the Contract so the school can at least get decent money out of it.. What is Norvell’s buyout? 500k, that’s chump change if so..

yes. a big buyout would keep them from taking the job.

I doubt it. A school like FL or A&M wants our coach, they can pay $5mill almost as easily as they can pay $500k. They've got that lying around in their couch. Any OC from the P5 (seems to be the blueprint for us) already knows this.

That’s the way I thought, the School that gets your Coach has to pay the buyout to get him.. It isn’t gonna keep first year Coaches from taking the job.. Now your stuck if they don’t pan out of course..

yall are too dense for me to waste my time on.

I know, b. We really need a “Stoopid Forum” for posts that some of these mouthbreathers come up with.

Geez, guys. Contracts are written with a coach buyout. That is the amount the coach has to pay the university to get out of the contract. I believe Norvell's is $500k - same as Fuente. That is a key variable to us getting hotshot OC's to take our job. We weren't the only ones going after Fuente or Norvell. If we put a huge buyout, they move on to UCF, Houston, SMU.

Contracts are also written with a separate school buyout. That is how much they have to pay the coach to fire him. It is usually NOT the same as the coach buyout. Frequently these days, that is written as the entire remaining amount of the contract. That is what USA Today used for their website - how much is left on the contract.

These things are very one-sided in the coach's favor. But that is because they have the leverage in today's world of big bucks and a pressuring fanbase.

(11-06-2017 03:09 PM)Tiger5 Wrote:  Norvell buyout listed at $4.3M

College FB Salaries and Buyouts

That’s what the school would owe him unless terminated for cause. Good Lord.

(11-06-2017 01:49 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:34 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:30 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:24 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:18 PM)btiger Wrote:  yes. a big buyout would keep them from taking the job.

I doubt it. A school like FL or A&M wants our coach, they can pay $5mill almost as easily as they can pay $500k. They've got that lying around in their couch. Any OC from the P5 (seems to be the blueprint for us) already knows this.

That’s the way I thought, the School that gets your Coach has to pay the buyout to get him.. It isn’t gonna keep first year Coaches from taking the job.. Now your stuck if they don’t pan out of course..

yall are too dense for me to waste my time on.

Good. Maybe you can run along to the Ole Miss boards and solve all their problems. Lord knows they have a bushel full.

You get embarrassed and resort to personal attacks. Brilliant.

(11-06-2017 03:16 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Geez, guys. Contracts are written with a coach buyout. That is the amount the coach has to pay the university to get out of the contract. I believe Norvell's is $500k - same as Fuente. That is a key variable to us getting hotshot OC's to take our job. We weren't the only ones going after Fuente or Norvell. If we put a huge buyout, they move on to UCF, Houston, SMU.

Contracts are also written with a separate school buyout. That is how much they have to pay the coach to fire him. It is usually NOT the same as the coach buyout. Frequently these days, that is written as the entire remaining amount of the contract. That is what USA Today used for their website - how much is left on the contract.

These things are very one-sided in the coach's favor. But that is because they have the leverage in today's world of big bucks and a pressuring fanbase.

You can tell the guys that are good in business in this thread.

(11-06-2017 03:25 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 03:09 PM)Tiger5 Wrote:  Norvell buyout listed at $4.3M

College FB Salaries and Buyouts

Okay, well good. We make bank if Norvell goes anywhere this off-season.

That's his buyout if we fire him. His buyout if someone else hires him is probably like $500k.

Only place I hear Novell to FL is here. Nothing in this part of Florida is mentioning him

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(11-06-2017 03:21 PM)TG4 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:49 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:34 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:30 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:24 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  I doubt it. A school like FL or A&M wants our coach, they can pay $5mill almost as easily as they can pay $500k. They've got that lying around in their couch. Any OC from the P5 (seems to be the blueprint for us) already knows this.

That’s the way I thought, the School that gets your Coach has to pay the buyout to get him.. It isn’t gonna keep first year Coaches from taking the job.. Now your stuck if they don’t pan out of course..

yall are too dense for me to waste my time on.

Good. Maybe you can run along to the Ole Miss boards and solve all their problems. Lord knows they have a bushel full.

You get embarrassed and resort to personal attacks. Brilliant.

Who's embarrassed? Everyone knows that Fuente and Norvell both wanted low buyouts and it's obvious why they wanted the low buyouts. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out. It is what it is. Our AD needs to keep making good hires because any good coach we have will get poached.

(11-06-2017 03:31 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 03:21 PM)TG4 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:49 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:34 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:30 PM)tigergg Wrote:  That’s the way I thought, the School that gets your Coach has to pay the buyout to get him.. It isn’t gonna keep first year Coaches from taking the job.. Now your stuck if they don’t pan out of course..

yall are too dense for me to waste my time on.

Good. Maybe you can run along to the Ole Miss boards and solve all their problems. Lord knows they have a bushel full.

You get embarrassed and resort to personal attacks. Brilliant.

Who's embarrassed? Everyone knows that Fuente and Norvell both wanted low buyouts and it's obvious why they wanted the low buyouts. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out. It is what it is. Our AD needs to keep making good hires because any good coach we have will get poached.

btiger is Tigah High through and through. So what if he chooses to date former Ole Miss cheerleaders. That’s his good fortune. Who among you will cast the first stone?

(11-06-2017 01:18 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:05 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 12:54 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 12:49 PM)tigergg Wrote:  We need to up the buyouts to where we get something big out of it and it makes these teams hiring our Coaches away burn there pockets a little.. But I’m sure some people will look at it as getting stuck with someone that stinks to high heaven because of the buyout.(Pastner).. But most on here are confident with keeping it going, so up the ante and put a huge buyout in place!!

we are not in a position to demand a buyout.

You put it in there contract before they sign on.. Do you think it would have kept Fuente or Norvell from taking there first HC job.. Maybe I’m missing something but I doubt a 5mil buyout would keep them from taking the job.. Now I understand if they end up being bad Coaches we can’t afford to fire them but according to some we will keep on keeping on.. So if they are confident enough to keep the ball rolling with whomever they get next put a big buyout in the Contract so the school can at least get decent money out of it.. What is Norvell’s buyout? 500k, that’s chump change if so..

Five year contract and if another team wants to hire them away before the end of original five years then the school pays back every dime we paid the coach. If we fire him before the end of contract we are liable for the rest of the remaining contract. So force the other schools to pay. If a coach leaves after two years of five year deal then other school pays back those two years.

Do u honestly think Mike Norvell would have signed that contract?

(11-06-2017 03:18 PM)TG4 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 03:09 PM)Tiger5 Wrote:  Norvell buyout listed at $4.3M

College FB Salaries and Buyouts

That’s what the school would owe him unless terminated for cause. Good Lord.

ok I am not a contract expert. I was just remembering the payout Florida had to settle with Colorado St when they hired Mclewain

(11-06-2017 03:29 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Only place I hear Novell to FL is here. Nothing in this part of Florida is mentioning him

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It's called fishing the water. Can't believe the bites he gets , over and over and over and over again. You think people would figure out his little game after awhile.

(11-06-2017 03:55 PM)wylioats Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 03:29 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Only place I hear Novell to FL is here. Nothing in this part of Florida is mentioning him

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It's called fishing the water. Can't believe the bites he gets , over and over and over and over again. You think people would figure out his little game after awhile.

no fishing. just reporting that spurrier is recommending that florida hire norvell