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RE: Game Day: BSU
Dear Friends,
Is it me, or have I witnessed the fact that the MAC officials never call for a measurement. It wasn't just the game last night, but the last couple of games, I can't remember the officials calling for a measurement. Are their eyes that good, or are the first downs as called, not needing to be measured?
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(11-03-2017 02:02 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
Is it me, or have I witnessed the fact that the MAC officials never call for a measurement. It wasn't just the game last night, but the last couple of games, I can't remember the officials calling for a measurement. Are their eyes that good, or are the first downs as called, not needing to be measured?

I rarely see measurements in college football anymore period. I don't think it's just a MAC thing.
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RE: Game Day: BSU
(11-03-2017 02:02 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
Is it me, or have I witnessed the fact that the MAC officials never call for a measurement. It wasn't just the game last night, but the last couple of games, I can't remember the officials calling for a measurement. Are their eyes that good, or are the first downs as called, not needing to be measured?
It seems the same in all of college football and the NFL. I think they do it to save time. I do suspect that an official in the Press Box uses the yellow line that we all see on TV and tells the head referee through his earpiece.
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(11-03-2017 08:35 AM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(11-02-2017 11:33 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  
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(11-02-2017 08:15 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  Couldn't let the game end without the defense getting in on the scoring!

Jeff Hubbard, wasn't it? The run after int was exceptional. He looked like a punt returner to me.

Sounds like you are on to something. In the post-game audio, Hubbard says the coaches like his ball skills so much they had him play as the scout QB for the Army game.

I bet we'll see him return kicks and punts on a regular basis in the future.

Arguably the best player in the last recruiting class. Him and Sow should be really good players for EMU going forward.

I believe the only two true frosh that have played this year are Hubbard and Myrick. Nice to see the rest of the class will redshirt.
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Anyone have any info on how EMU got Hubbard on NSD? I would guess that Myrick played a part of it being teammates. He had a lot of offers.
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(11-03-2017 10:47 PM)Lefty One Wrote:  Anyone have any info on how EMU got Hubbard on NSD? I would guess that Myrick played a part of it being teammates. He had a lot of offers.

Herb Haygood. Both Hubbard and Myrick are going to play a lot of football for EMU. Both should be in the 2 deep next year, and wouldn't be surprised if they both play a lot. Great job by Haygood!
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Etough,

Question for you that I didn't want to post in it's own thread. If Neathery got poached, who on the current staff would call a similar defensive strategy? Bullough?? As you know Fleck poached our DL coach a couple of seasons ago and after watching Minnesota's defense get shredded, if they make a coaching change, Fleck might come a calling.....
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(11-04-2017 10:04 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Etough,

Question for you that I didn't want to post in it's own thread. If Neathery got poached, who on the current staff would call a similar defensive strategy? Bullough?? As you know Fleck poached our DL coach a couple of seasons ago and after watching Minnesota's defense get shredded, if they make a coaching change, Fleck might come a calling.....

Bullough the logical choice, since he actually has DC experience. Not sure what kind of scheme he ran at Syracuse during his DC stint there from 13-15'.

Not going to get a more dedicated football fanatic than that guy.

The thing about Neathery is he just knows his stuff. Very, very knowledgeable and great teacher of the 4-2-5. The minute he stepped on campus and started teaching and coaching these defensive guys.........they were like wow, this guy is on another level.

That's why I was confident from day 1 that he would make a huge difference with our D. He'll obviously deserve whatever promotion comes his way, I just hope Creighton can convince him to stick around a couple more years to see if they can make a real run at a MAC title. Next year we'll be in similar shape as an overall team heading into the season, with the exception of the GIANT qb/oc question.

Need to find our Neathery to run the O
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(11-05-2017 09:53 AM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(11-04-2017 10:04 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Etough,

Question for you that I didn't want to post in it's own thread. If Neathery got poached, who on the current staff would call a similar defensive strategy? Bullough?? As you know Fleck poached our DL coach a couple of seasons ago and after watching Minnesota's defense get shredded, if they make a coaching change, Fleck might come a calling.....

Bullough the logical choice, since he actually has DC experience. Not sure what kind of scheme he ran at Syracuse during his DC stint there from 13-15'.

Not going to get a more dedicated football fanatic than that guy.

The thing about Neathery is he just knows his stuff. Very, very knowledgeable and great teacher of the 4-2-5. The minute he stepped on campus and started teaching and coaching these defensive guys.........they were like wow, this guy is on another level.

That's why I was confident from day 1 that he would make a huge difference with our D. He'll obviously deserve whatever promotion comes his way, I just hope Creighton can convince him to stick around a couple more years to see if they can make a real run at a MAC title. Next year we'll be in similar shape as an overall team heading into the season, with the exception of the GIANT qb/oc question.

Need to find our Neathery to run the O
The 2018 defense should be quite strong again. Not that worried about the offense as long as one of the young quarterbacks emerges. It will definitely be different, but should still be effective.
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(11-05-2017 10:56 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 09:53 AM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(11-04-2017 10:04 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Etough,

Question for you that I didn't want to post in it's own thread. If Neathery got poached, who on the current staff would call a similar defensive strategy? Bullough?? As you know Fleck poached our DL coach a couple of seasons ago and after watching Minnesota's defense get shredded, if they make a coaching change, Fleck might come a calling.....

Bullough the logical choice, since he actually has DC experience. Not sure what kind of scheme he ran at Syracuse during his DC stint there from 13-15'.

Not going to get a more dedicated football fanatic than that guy.

The thing about Neathery is he just knows his stuff. Very, very knowledgeable and great teacher of the 4-2-5. The minute he stepped on campus and started teaching and coaching these defensive guys.........they were like wow, this guy is on another level.

That's why I was confident from day 1 that he would make a huge difference with our D. He'll obviously deserve whatever promotion comes his way, I just hope Creighton can convince him to stick around a couple more years to see if they can make a real run at a MAC title. Next year we'll be in similar shape as an overall team heading into the season, with the exception of the GIANT qb/oc question.

Need to find our Neathery to run the O
The 2018 defense should be quite strong again. Not that worried about the offense as long as one of the young quarterbacks emerges. It will definitely be different, but should still be effective.

QBs is THE big issue. It could be the difference between a successful and unsuccessful season.

I'm concerned about our 2018 offense.
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(11-05-2017 09:53 AM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(11-04-2017 10:04 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Etough,

Question for you that I didn't want to post in it's own thread. If Neathery got poached, who on the current staff would call a similar defensive strategy? Bullough?? As you know Fleck poached our DL coach a couple of seasons ago and after watching Minnesota's defense get shredded, if they make a coaching change, Fleck might come a calling.....

Bullough the logical choice, since he actually has DC experience. Not sure what kind of scheme he ran at Syracuse during his DC stint there from 13-15'.

Not going to get a more dedicated football fanatic than that guy.

The thing about Neathery is he just knows his stuff. Very, very knowledgeable and great teacher of the 4-2-5. The minute he stepped on campus and started teaching and coaching these defensive guys.........they were like wow, this guy is on another level.

That's why I was confident from day 1 that he would make a huge difference with our D. He'll obviously deserve whatever promotion comes his way, I just hope Creighton can convince him to stick around a couple more years to see if they can make a real run at a MAC title. Next year we'll be in similar shape as an overall team heading into the season, with the exception of the GIANT qb/oc question.

Need to find our Neathery to run the O
Thx
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(11-05-2017 11:15 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 10:56 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 09:53 AM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(11-04-2017 10:04 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Etough,

Question for you that I didn't want to post in it's own thread. If Neathery got poached, who on the current staff would call a similar defensive strategy? Bullough?? As you know Fleck poached our DL coach a couple of seasons ago and after watching Minnesota's defense get shredded, if they make a coaching change, Fleck might come a calling.....

Bullough the logical choice, since he actually has DC experience. Not sure what kind of scheme he ran at Syracuse during his DC stint there from 13-15'.

Not going to get a more dedicated football fanatic than that guy.

The thing about Neathery is he just knows his stuff. Very, very knowledgeable and great teacher of the 4-2-5. The minute he stepped on campus and started teaching and coaching these defensive guys.........they were like wow, this guy is on another level.

That's why I was confident from day 1 that he would make a huge difference with our D. He'll obviously deserve whatever promotion comes his way, I just hope Creighton can convince him to stick around a couple more years to see if they can make a real run at a MAC title. Next year we'll be in similar shape as an overall team heading into the season, with the exception of the GIANT qb/oc question.

Need to find our Neathery to run the O
The 2018 defense should be quite strong again. Not that worried about the offense as long as one of the young quarterbacks emerges. It will definitely be different, but should still be effective.

QBs is THE big issue. It could be the difference between a successful and unsuccessful season.

I'm concerned about our 2018 offense.
I'm very concerned about our 2018 offense. IMHO this was the year to be MAC Champions! Since our schedule is weaker the last four games, I believe statistically at the end of the season, we will have the best overall Defense. However, the offense was sooooooo bad and Special Teams even worse, we've put ourselves in a very bad situation. I know you guys kid me about Roback, but the kid is the best QB in this state and will get drafted in the NFL. The OC has not taken advantage of a 4 star QB and put Players into position to be successful. Next year we will be grooming a QB and that is going to be interesting....
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If Ned leaves You find a Young FCS Coordinator who RunS the 4 2 5 Fordham and James Madison I believe Run it
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(11-05-2017 02:03 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 11:15 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 10:56 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 09:53 AM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(11-04-2017 10:04 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Etough,

Question for you that I didn't want to post in it's own thread. If Neathery got poached, who on the current staff would call a similar defensive strategy? Bullough?? As you know Fleck poached our DL coach a couple of seasons ago and after watching Minnesota's defense get shredded, if they make a coaching change, Fleck might come a calling.....

Bullough the logical choice, since he actually has DC experience. Not sure what kind of scheme he ran at Syracuse during his DC stint there from 13-15'.

Not going to get a more dedicated football fanatic than that guy.

The thing about Neathery is he just knows his stuff. Very, very knowledgeable and great teacher of the 4-2-5. The minute he stepped on campus and started teaching and coaching these defensive guys.........they were like wow, this guy is on another level.

That's why I was confident from day 1 that he would make a huge difference with our D. He'll obviously deserve whatever promotion comes his way, I just hope Creighton can convince him to stick around a couple more years to see if they can make a real run at a MAC title. Next year we'll be in similar shape as an overall team heading into the season, with the exception of the GIANT qb/oc question.

Need to find our Neathery to run the O
The 2018 defense should be quite strong again. Not that worried about the offense as long as one of the young quarterbacks emerges. It will definitely be different, but should still be effective.

QBs is THE big issue. It could be the difference between a successful and unsuccessful season.

I'm concerned about our 2018 offense.
I'm very concerned about our 2018 offense. IMHO this was the year to be MAC Champions! Since our schedule is weaker the last four games, I believe statistically at the end of the season, we will have the best overall Defense. However, the offense was sooooooo bad and Special Teams even worse, we've put ourselves in a very bad situation. I know you guys kid me about Roback, but the kid is the best QB in this state and will get drafted in the NFL. The OC has not taken advantage of a 4 star QB and put Players into position to be successful. Next year we will be grooming a QB and that is going to be interesting....
The OC isnt responsible for those ints
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(11-05-2017 02:23 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 02:03 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 11:15 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 10:56 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 09:53 AM)EagleTough Wrote:  Bullough the logical choice, since he actually has DC experience. Not sure what kind of scheme he ran at Syracuse during his DC stint there from 13-15'.

Not going to get a more dedicated football fanatic than that guy.

The thing about Neathery is he just knows his stuff. Very, very knowledgeable and great teacher of the 4-2-5. The minute he stepped on campus and started teaching and coaching these defensive guys.........they were like wow, this guy is on another level.

That's why I was confident from day 1 that he would make a huge difference with our D. He'll obviously deserve whatever promotion comes his way, I just hope Creighton can convince him to stick around a couple more years to see if they can make a real run at a MAC title. Next year we'll be in similar shape as an overall team heading into the season, with the exception of the GIANT qb/oc question.

Need to find our Neathery to run the O
The 2018 defense should be quite strong again. Not that worried about the offense as long as one of the young quarterbacks emerges. It will definitely be different, but should still be effective.

QBs is THE big issue. It could be the difference between a successful and unsuccessful season.

I'm concerned about our 2018 offense.
I'm very concerned about our 2018 offense. IMHO this was the year to be MAC Champions! Since our schedule is weaker the last four games, I believe statistically at the end of the season, we will have the best overall Defense. However, the offense was sooooooo bad and Special Teams even worse, we've put ourselves in a very bad situation. I know you guys kid me about Roback, but the kid is the best QB in this state and will get drafted in the NFL. The OC has not taken advantage of a 4 star QB and put Players into position to be successful. Next year we will be grooming a QB and that is going to be interesting....
The OC isnt responsible for those ints

While they appear to be playing better, our O-line was just not good enough to run when we needed to run earlier this year. The pass blocking has been mediocre, but we were not balanced for too long.

It's possible our overall offense may be more effective next year with a new QB...
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(11-05-2017 02:58 PM)Huron Boy Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 02:23 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 02:03 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 11:15 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 10:56 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  The 2018 defense should be quite strong again. Not that worried about the offense as long as one of the young quarterbacks emerges. It will definitely be different, but should still be effective.

QBs is THE big issue. It could be the difference between a successful and unsuccessful season.

I'm concerned about our 2018 offense.
I'm very concerned about our 2018 offense. IMHO this was the year to be MAC Champions! Since our schedule is weaker the last four games, I believe statistically at the end of the season, we will have the best overall Defense. However, the offense was sooooooo bad and Special Teams even worse, we've put ourselves in a very bad situation. I know you guys kid me about Roback, but the kid is the best QB in this state and will get drafted in the NFL. The OC has not taken advantage of a 4 star QB and put Players into position to be successful. Next year we will be grooming a QB and that is going to be interesting....
The OC isnt responsible for those ints

While they appear to be playing better, our O-line was just not good enough to run when we needed to run earlier this year. The pass blocking has been mediocre, but we were not balanced for too long.

It's possible our overall offense may be more effective next year with a new QB...
I think it's possible that the offense could be better. They'll have an experienced line that loses nobody from this year and adds a few others that redshirted. A good line makes any offense decent. They'll have tight ends and experienced backs. They will lose three top receivers but return several key reserves. The big question will be quarterback and whoever that is will have the luxury of experience all around him.
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(11-05-2017 02:23 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 02:03 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 11:15 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 10:56 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 09:53 AM)EagleTough Wrote:  Bullough the logical choice, since he actually has DC experience. Not sure what kind of scheme he ran at Syracuse during his DC stint there from 13-15'.

Not going to get a more dedicated football fanatic than that guy.

The thing about Neathery is he just knows his stuff. Very, very knowledgeable and great teacher of the 4-2-5. The minute he stepped on campus and started teaching and coaching these defensive guys.........they were like wow, this guy is on another level.

That's why I was confident from day 1 that he would make a huge difference with our D. He'll obviously deserve whatever promotion comes his way, I just hope Creighton can convince him to stick around a couple more years to see if they can make a real run at a MAC title. Next year we'll be in similar shape as an overall team heading into the season, with the exception of the GIANT qb/oc question.

Need to find our Neathery to run the O
The 2018 defense should be quite strong again. Not that worried about the offense as long as one of the young quarterbacks emerges. It will definitely be different, but should still be effective.

QBs is THE big issue. It could be the difference between a successful and unsuccessful season.

I'm concerned about our 2018 offense.
I'm very concerned about our 2018 offense. IMHO this was the year to be MAC Champions! Since our schedule is weaker the last four games, I believe statistically at the end of the season, we will have the best overall Defense. However, the offense was sooooooo bad and Special Teams even worse, we've put ourselves in a very bad situation. I know you guys kid me about Roback, but the kid is the best QB in this state and will get drafted in the NFL. The OC has not taken advantage of a 4 star QB and put Players into position to be successful. Next year we will be grooming a QB and that is going to be interesting....
The OC isnt responsible for those ints

Partially disagree. Certainly where Roback has thrown into coverage, it is on him. However, there have been plenty of questions regarding Roback regressing his senior year which is laughable to me. If we look at our 3rd down conversion rate, all of us would say it's unacceptable. How many times on 3rd down do we throw 25 yards down the field vs throwing at the sticks just to get a first down. Roback certainly doesn't control the routes being run or lack of creative play calling. Listen I'm not dismissing some terrible reads because yesterday even the kid Mayfield who is leading Heisman candidate thru two picks. Roback has been killed by dropped passes and passes bouncing off our receivers hands/shoulder pads etc too. I believe Roback may leave here as the all time EMU passing leader. He will play in the NFL. All of the Roback critics will see how good he was when you see next year's QB. Hopefully the 2018 Qb grows up quickly!!
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One of the things I think we need to keep in mind, taking a clue from Luckeyone's post.

Certain players make or don't make plays and they are almost solely responsible for them. I'm thinking on kickers, punters, etc.

Other players, e.g., QBs, RBs, etc. are much more dependent on the play of others such as the OL. (and also the WRs / TEs for the QB.) AND the play calling, etc. etc.
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(11-05-2017 04:55 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 02:23 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 02:03 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 11:15 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 10:56 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  The 2018 defense should be quite strong again. Not that worried about the offense as long as one of the young quarterbacks emerges. It will definitely be different, but should still be effective.

QBs is THE big issue. It could be the difference between a successful and unsuccessful season.

I'm concerned about our 2018 offense.
I'm very concerned about our 2018 offense. IMHO this was the year to be MAC Champions! Since our schedule is weaker the last four games, I believe statistically at the end of the season, we will have the best overall Defense. However, the offense was sooooooo bad and Special Teams even worse, we've put ourselves in a very bad situation. I know you guys kid me about Roback, but the kid is the best QB in this state and will get drafted in the NFL. The OC has not taken advantage of a 4 star QB and put Players into position to be successful. Next year we will be grooming a QB and that is going to be interesting....
The OC isnt responsible for those ints

Partially disagree. Certainly where Roback has thrown into coverage, it is on him. However, there have been plenty of questions regarding Roback regressing his senior year which is laughable to me. If we look at our 3rd down conversion rate, all of us would say it's unacceptable. How many times on 3rd down do we throw 25 yards down the field vs throwing at the sticks just to get a first down. Roback certainly doesn't control the routes being run or lack of creative play calling. Listen I'm not dismissing some terrible reads because yesterday even the kid Mayfield who is leading Heisman candidate thru two picks. Roback has been killed by dropped passes and passes bouncing off our receivers hands/shoulder pads etc too. I believe Roback may leave here as the all time EMU passing leader. He will play in the NFL. All of the Roback critics will see how good he was when you see next year's QB. Hopefully the 2018 Qb grows up quickly!!

Put the blame wherever you want, and slice it 50 different ways, but the Roback/Keen combination simply didn't get the job done. The offense obviously struggled, with a 5th year Sr. QB, 3 returning WR's, and 4 returning RB's. The OL was poor in the run game, but protected Roback well.

Yes Roback will likely get a shot in the NFL, he has the arm. Good luck to him, everyone hopes he makes an NFL roster. The more EMU guys in the league, the better.

Not sure what your point is about poor 3rd down conversions, and throwing 25 yards downfield instead of just throwing for first downs. You seem to be defending Roback here because of the routes and play calling? In reality, after watching for the last 2 years, this is where he seemed to struggle the most. The favorite play of our offense the last 2 years was the deep outside lob. That was Brogan's favorite throw, and his decision only. Last year we completed more of those 50/50 throws, this year not so much.

EMU just isn't going to provide the type of QB coaching he needs. Get him the right coach, and a couple years to learn, in the right situation, and he may have a long career. Wrong coach, wrong situation, may never even get an opportunity.

Let's just win out, get the bowl game, and end a very difficult season on a good note.
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