(11-02-2017 02:39 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 01:08 PM)RunnerBall Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 11:23 AM)RoosHouse Wrote:  KC?

Exactly....like was supposedly in the original agreement. Anyone know what happened on that? True or just a ...WAC urban legend?

I think it was Hurd who said they would be able to host. The rest of the WAC has thought otherwise.

You mean, as in (?):
UMKC, at signing time: "Can we maybe host a few MBB tourneys?"

Hurd: "No prob. Ill fix it with the other schools."

Other schools: " "

(11-02-2017 01:08 PM)RunnerBall Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 11:23 AM)RoosHouse Wrote:  KC?

Exactly....like was supposedly in the original agreement. Anyone know what happened on that? True or just a ...WAC urban legend?

It's hard to say for certain they would be able to host the tournament for joining or it was said in relation to each school having a rotation. Here's an article about it when the school joined:

http://info.umkc.edu/unews/wac-sweetens-...ew-league/

(11-02-2017 04:54 PM)joshadam84 Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 01:08 PM)RunnerBall Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 11:23 AM)RoosHouse Wrote:  KC?

Exactly....like was supposedly in the original agreement. Anyone know what happened on that? True or just a ...WAC urban legend?

It's hard to say for certain they would be able to host the tournament for joining or it was said in relation to each school having a rotation. Here's an article about it when the school joined:

http://info.umkc.edu/unews/wac-sweetens-...ew-league/

Bro, there is no ambiguity at all. The article clearly states, over and over, that KC would be hosing the WAC tourney.

(11-02-2017 04:58 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 04:54 PM)joshadam84 Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 01:08 PM)RunnerBall Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 11:23 AM)RoosHouse Wrote:  KC?

Exactly....like was supposedly in the original agreement. Anyone know what happened on that? True or just a ...WAC urban legend?

It's hard to say for certain they would be able to host the tournament for joining or it was said in relation to each school having a rotation. Here's an article about it when the school joined:

http://info.umkc.edu/unews/wac-sweetens-...ew-league/

Bro, there is no ambiguity at all. The article clearly states, over and over, that KC would be hosing the WAC tourney.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_Center. I'm cool with rotating but UMKC should get first tournament after Vegas.

(11-02-2017 04:58 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 04:54 PM)joshadam84 Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 01:08 PM)RunnerBall Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 11:23 AM)RoosHouse Wrote:  KC?

Exactly....like was supposedly in the original agreement. Anyone know what happened on that? True or just a ...WAC urban legend?

It's hard to say for certain they would be able to host the tournament for joining or it was said in relation to each school having a rotation. Here's an article about it when the school joined:

http://info.umkc.edu/unews/wac-sweetens-...ew-league/

Bro, there is no ambiguity at all. The article clearly states, over and over, that KC would be hosing the WAC tourney.

Exactly. But is it in reference to rotating or not? For all that you know, it was said each school would rotate thus allowing UMKC to host. You can assume all you want but I won't be joining you.

Why not just move it to Denver, the WAC HQ, if leaving Vegas becomes the best option?

(11-03-2017 12:30 AM)SeattleVandals Wrote:  Why not just move it to Denver, the WAC HQ, if leaving Vegas becomes the best option?

You want sparse crowds have it in Denver. Denver is not good, again. Denver is expensive to fly into compared to other cities. The WAC is small enough where it needs to just have it at one of the conferences members arenas. When it was in Las Cruces there were huge crowds. I remember lot's of Boise State, Nevada and Utah State fans there. Granted, that won't happen again with the schools we have now but if it's not going to be in Vegas it should just be played at the regular season champions arena like most smaller mid major conferences do. Look at UNLV. How many years has it been since they won the MWC and they play at home? The WAC tourney used to be in Reno and NMSU and Utah State would regularly win the tourney. In year 2 of the tourney in Cruces Boise State beat NMSU. Tourney time is different than regular season. Have it at regular season champs arena is my vote. If Seattle wins, Key Arena, UTGRV, that new arena they built for the NBAG team close by, and Bakersfield in the downtown arena because those high school gyms they play in are not adequate venues for a conference tourney. NMSU, GCU, Cal Baptist, Chicago State, UMKC and Utah Valley all have arenas that can support a conference basketball tourney.

Obviously, I prefer having the WAC tournament at a neutral site for competitive fairness. But, admittedly, the WAC tournament is getting expensive to attend with the raising prices in Las Vegas. I reserve my opinion to move the tournament until I see what fan support the added eligibility of GCU will bring. Currently, the WAC has the tournament dates locked in at the Orleans Arena. Once (if) the WAC decides to leave Las Vegas it will be difficult to reverse that decision in the future. The Orleans Arena will surely fill those empty dates.

If the WAC were to move the tournament to member home sites based on the regular season championship, there will be some logistical problems; as the conference champion is sometimes not crowned until the last week of the regular season. There is not a lot of time to make flight and hotel arrangements for the schools and the fans. This is why I suggested that the WAC Tournament be hosted by the regular season champion of the prior year. i.e.... under this criteria, Cal State Bakersfield would host this season's WAC tournament. And, this season's regular season champion would host next year's tournament. That would give WAC schools and fans a full year to make their travel arrangements.

Admittedly, this would give WAC teams an added incentive to win the regular season; besides just getting the #1 seed in the tournament. This would also make good on UMKC's request to host the WAC tournament. If they win the WAC they can. It is not ideal but for a conference which is trying to generate revenue, playing on campus/city sites might be a way to make money and increase game attendance.

(11-03-2017 10:47 AM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 12:30 AM)SeattleVandals Wrote:  Why not just move it to Denver, the WAC HQ, if leaving Vegas becomes the best option?

You want sparse crowds have it in Denver. Denver is not good, again. Denver is expensive to fly into compared to other cities. The WAC is small enough where it needs to just have it at one of the conferences members arenas. When it was in Las Cruces there were huge crowds. I remember lot's of Boise State, Nevada and Utah State fans there. Granted, that won't happen again with the schools we have now but if it's not going to be in Vegas it should just be played at the regular season champions arena like most smaller mid major conferences do. Look at UNLV. How many years has it been since they won the MWC and they play at home? The WAC tourney used to be in Reno and NMSU and Utah State would regularly win the tourney. In year 2 of the tourney in Cruces Boise State beat NMSU. Tourney time is different than regular season. Have it at regular season champs arena is my vote. If Seattle wins, Key Arena, UTGRV, that new arena they built for the NBAG team close by, and Bakersfield in the downtown arena because those high school gyms they play in are not adequate venues for a conference tourney. NMSU, GCU, Cal Baptist, Chicago State, UMKC and Utah Valley all have arenas that can support a conference basketball tourney.

Key words are "if leaving Vegas becomes the best option." While conference arenas would be great, not sure its a good idea in a conference like the WAC. Look at Chicago State when they hosted the Great West Tournament. Couldnt even get their own 400 fans to show up from the looks of the pictures

I think if they go away from Vegas is needs to go to those programs that earn it not something everyone gets to do. I honestly wouldn't think the Key would be an option b/c if it gets remodeled you would have to deal with concerts and more than likely 1 maybe 2 pro winter sports along with the P12 women's conference tourney. They would have to look at a couple suburbs with arenas / domes and not sure that would make much sense.

(11-01-2017 08:59 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 02:42 PM)Clarity Wrote:  Phoenix seriously? Why would you want to give GCU a home court advantage? No other conference gives another team a home court advantage when they aren't the top seed. All the other schools would have a major problem with that. The WAC would never approve that anyway.

That’s not true. The MW tourney has been held for years at the Thomas & Mack, the home court of UNLV. UNLV has that advantage every year.

Summit has their tournament at SDSU.

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I also think no matter where its being held NMSU and GCU will have to most fan support so it will give these two a home court feel regardless where the WACT is played. I think some type of rotation or some major metro area in the west would work. I think Moda in Portland would be a good spot you only have to figure things out with one winter sport and its a great town thats cheap to do things in besides this I think San Diego or LA area would work.

I think the WAC should play in Phoenix, and if they get UCSD and/or Asuza Pacific they should consider the SoCal region as well (the Riverside area is easy driving 2 hour reach for CBU, UCSD, APU and CSUB fans/students, and GCU fans will travel).

But for now Phoenix is the best alternative to Las Vegas.

BSC announced a month or so ago that our tourney will be moving from Reno to Boise. Being a Sac fan I don't like it, but it is more regional to more fan bases so more fans "should" make the trip so I get it. BSC used to do the regular season champ hosts but logistically it was a nightmare which is why the BSC went to a neutral site location.

Why should the WAC care?
Learn from the BSC's mistake of having the regular season champ host. It is potentially more costly due to trying to pull together travel and lodging on a weeks notice (worst case scenario). The BSC's other issue was flight capacity, but that is probably not an issue for the WAC since there are mostly large metro areas. Also the hosting school had to scramble around and host the damn thing (not an issue for the couple teams that typically won the regular season).

I do like the idea of the previous season's champ hosting. 1) it gives ESPN a heads up of the location so they can still televise the championship game (and maybe more) without issue. 2) logistically the hosting school has plenty of time to organize it. 3) Schools/WAC know where everyone is going so pulling together travel and lodging shouldn't be an issue. 4) Quells the "neutral site tourney makes the regular season meaningless" (tons of montucky/weber fans constantly ***** about this...tells me the BSC is making the right move when I see those comments). 5) Better odds of getting people to actually show up to the games.

Interesting to see other conferences reconsider LV. Tells me LV has over reached on its curb appeal.

The only way a conference member would be able to host a post season tournament is if the tournament is awarded at least a year in advance. Either the schools would need to bid for the tournament like it was done in the WAC when NMSU first joined. Or, the tournament would be awarded to the regular season champion of the prior year; giving the host school enough time to prepare.

In the current WAC, only NMSU, GCU, UVU, and Chicago State play in large enough campus venues. UMKC normally plays in the city own Municipal Auditorium. So they probably could secure that venue. And, Seattle U. periodically plays in the KeyArena. So, maybe, the KeyArena might have open dates in early March. But both Cal State Bakersfield and UT Rio Grande Valley need to secure their city (or privately) owned venues as well for a rotating WAC Champions Tournament to work; the Rabobank Arena and Bert Ogden Arena respectively.

(11-20-2017 09:12 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  The only way a conference member would be able to host a post season tournament is if the tournament is awarded at least a year in advance. Either the schools would need to bid for the tournament like it was done in the WAC when NMSU first joined. Or, the tournament would be awarded to the regular season champion of the prior year; giving the host school enough time to prepare.

In the current WAC, only NMSU, GCU, UVU, and Chicago State play in large enough campus venues. UMKC normally plays in the city own Municipal Auditorium. So they probably could secure that venue. And, Seattle U. periodically plays in the KeyArena. So, maybe, the KeyArena might have open dates in early March. But both Cal State Bakersfield and UT Rio Grande Valley need to secure their city (or privately) owned venues as well for a rotating WAC Champions Tournament to work; the Rabobank Arena and Bert Ogden Arena respectively.

Key Arena hosts the Pac 12 womens tournament so if SU had to host itd have to be in one of the 8-12k seat arenas in Kent or Everett. Hardly ideal. So basically, SU wouldnt be able to unless UW felt generous