(10-15-2017 01:42 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  First off, any ranking that places a team ahead of a team that has beaten them when their records are identical is absolutely flawed and simply filled with bias.

That would be true if everyone played the same teams leading up to that matchup. There is room for debate on this, certainly.

(10-15-2017 01:42 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  First off, any ranking that places a team ahead of a team that has beaten them when their records are identical is absolutely flawed and simply filled with bias. Second, ULM should definitely be ranked above ULL.

Yeah not really. USA beat Troy but I don’t think they’re a better team or should be ranked higher. Their bodies of Work are different so far this season and Troy has been much more impressive and has more wins overall.

Don’t disagree with you on ULM being ranked higher than ULL at this point, but the reality for me is the top 3 teams in the conference are pretty much the same and it’s up to ULM, NMSU, or ULL to do something about that. The rest of the rankings are a crapshoot.

Is it basketball season yet?

(10-15-2017 10:01 AM)riburn3 Wrote:  1. App St. - 3-0 in conference play and have actually beaten teams with some wins. Not the prettiest victories by good teams find a way, and for two straight weeks they’re finding a way.

2. stAte - they’re undefeated in conference but their wins are against 2 bad teams and an FCS program. The ULL game will probably be the first interesting test for them, and again @ NMSU in 2 weeks we will find out if they’re for real.

3. Troy - tough loss this week but they still have the biggest win of the season for the conference. Need to figure out how to stay focused after a big victory.

4. NMSU - Not a pretty win, but a good rebound after a tough loss at App St last weekend. I thought they were going to be hungover from that loss plus 3 straight eastern road games. Beating two FBS OOC foes is probably to most impressive Belt resume after Troy.

5. ULL - Did what they were supposed to do. The game this upcoming weekend against Ark St will be very interesting.

6. Georgia St. 2-0 in conference with a win against a not terrible ULM squad is solid. They have a real test with Troy coming. Losing to an FCS program keeps them from being higher IMHO.

7. ULM - would be higher but getting blown up by Georgia St is terrible. 3-1 in conference is good but they might not win a game for the rest of the season.

8. South Alabama - Big TV win against Troy. It will be interesting to see how they follow it up. The Idaho home loss is keeping them down.

9. Idaho - tough home loss. Will be interesting to see what they can do against a terrible Mizzouri team.

10. Coastal Carolina - They at least have an OOC win, but they are goin to be lucky to win one for the rest of the season.

11. Georgia Southern - Something happens when they come out of halftime. They put up 24 on NMSU in the first half, then NMSUs defense figures them out and only allowed 3 in the second half. Still some bright spots.

12. Texas St. - incoming pillow fight of the week against Coastal.

If you want to rank App first, I can understand that, but how on earth are we not "for real"? We've won 5 of the last 6 conference championships, and have lost 6 league games total since 2011.

I mean, if you are going to declare App for real because they beat Texas State by a single yard, Idaho by a late fumble and NMSU because Tyler Rogers had interception disease, then we are certainly for real.

1 (Tie) App State
1 (Tie) Arkansas State

I really can't separate these two right now. Zero common opponents to this point.

3. Georgia State
4. Troy
5. ULL

I'm not convinced that Troy is as good as some make them out to be. They don't have an offensive line, their red zone offense has been terrible all season, and they don't have a kicking game. Cajuns have beaten two bad teams to get here, but here they are. We'll learn a lot about them this week. Troy plays at Georgia State this week as well, meaning I don't expect this grouping to remain this way next week.

6. NMSU
7. USA
8. ULM

NMSU has losses to App and Troy, which isn't bad, but their defensive struggles are going to really hurt at this rate. They can score points on anyone, but with AState coming to Las Cruces in 2 weeks, they are left with one last chance to prove they are "for real" this year. USA gets an impressive win over Troy, but so much of that game was Troy beating themselves. There's still serious questions in my mind if the Jaguars can handle some of the better offensive teams in the league, while scoring enough offensively themselves to win. We'll see a lot when they host ULM this week. As for the Warhawks, 30 points a game is nice...but if you give up 44, it's not so nice.

9. Idaho
10. GS
11. CCU
12. Texas State

Idaho hasn't played poorly, but they aren't winning either. I mean, playing App within 3 at home is one thing, but blowing a 20 point 2nd half lead to do it is another entirely. Southern is beginning to wake up offensively. Unfortunately their defense is historically bad, which will probably limit their ceiling to 1 or 2 wins this year. Coastal's starting unit on both sides is fine, it's just the guys behind them that are the problem. The other issue I had is that for large portions of the game, it felt like their goal in Jonesboro was to not necessarily win the game, just don't get killed. Running the play clock down to 2 or 3 seconds in a close game is one thing, down 17 points its another. As for Texas State...at least their Volleyball and Soccer teams are good.

(10-15-2017 02:35 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If you want to rank App first, I can understand that, but how on earth are we not "for real"? We've won 5 of the last 6 conference championships, and have lost 6 league games total since 2011.

I mean, if you are going to declare App for real because they beat Texas State by a single yard, Idaho by a late fumble and NMSU because Tyler Rogers had interception disease, then we are certainly for real.

I didn’t realize body of work in previous seasons was how we did rankings. Where we stand right now, the Ark St wins have come against an FCS school and the other two against two teams with a combined 1 win between them. I’m sorry I don’t think it’s that impressive. I also think their next two games will be the real measuring stick for how good Ark St is, and the game against NMSU in two weeks will be tough.

Troy had a bad week but still have managed to beat a ranked SEC team on the road (that also just beat Auburn), as well as beating Akron which will possibly have 4 wins themselves after today.

I agree with your point about App St, but I also don’t see them losing the rest of the season thanks to their Cupcake schedule, which will give them the title.

In reality I think the top 3 or 4 Sun Belt schools are very close to each other, but it’s a shame they won’t all play each other. In the end these rankings don’t mean anything, just opinions from homer fans.

I love how people are down on USA because Troy “beat themselves” but don’t mention us beating ourselves against teams we’ve lost to (or the refs beating us aginst idaho).

(10-15-2017 02:59 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  I love how people are down on USA because Troy “beat themselves” but don’t mention us beating ourselves against teams we’ve lost to (or the refs beating us aginst idaho).

Jones did try to beat himself on Wednesday.

I'm just pointing out the obvious issues with USA. Can you guys score enough offensively when you start facing better offenses than Troy?

(10-15-2017 02:55 PM)riburn3 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:35 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If you want to rank App first, I can understand that, but how on earth are we not "for real"? We've won 5 of the last 6 conference championships, and have lost 6 league games total since 2011.

I mean, if you are going to declare App for real because they beat Texas State by a single yard, Idaho by a late fumble and NMSU because Tyler Rogers had interception disease, then we are certainly for real.

I didn’t realize body of work in previous seasons was how we did rankings. Where we stand right now, the Ark St wins have come against an FCS school and the other two against two teams with a combined 1 win between them. I’m sorry I don’t think it’s that impressive. I also think their next two games will be the real measuring stick for how good Ark St is, and the game against NMSU in two weeks will be tough.

Troy had a bad week but still have managed to beat a ranked SEC team on the road (that also just beat Auburn), as well as beating Akron which will possibly have 4 wins themselves after today.

I agree with your point about App St, but I also don’t see them losing the rest of the season thanks to their Cupcake schedule, which will give them the title.

In reality I think the top 3 or 4 Sun Belt schools are very close to each other, but it’s a shame they won’t all play each other. In the end these rankings don’t mean anything, just opinions from homer fans.

Oh I agree, App isn't losing the rest of the year. It's up to Arkansas State to force a share.

Though I will say if Georgia State or ULM play well, they can beat App. Georgia State especially with its defense

(10-15-2017 02:29 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Is it basketball season yet?

Is it baseball season yet?

(10-15-2017 02:29 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Is it basketball season yet?

Hey now, I'm not ready for that yet. Let us relish in our dominant sport!

(10-15-2017 03:07 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:59 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  I love how people are down on USA because Troy “beat themselves” but don’t mention us beating ourselves against teams we’ve lost to (or the refs beating us aginst idaho).

Jones did try to beat himself on Wednesday.

I'm just pointing out the obvious issues with USA. Can you guys score enough offensively when you start facing better offenses than Troy?

Our defense is playing well. We’re not going to see another defense as good as Troy’s so we’ll have to see. I don’t think we need to score 40+.

I was just pointing out that everyone seems to think our defense had nothing to do with Chunn only getting 28 yards or Silvers not being able to throw the short passes that he is normally good at. We didn’t exactly play a perfect game ourselves, but our defense was ready to play.

(10-15-2017 02:59 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  I love how people are down on USA because Troy “beat themselves” but don’t mention us beating ourselves against teams we’ve lost to (or the refs beating us aginst idaho).

Probably because Troy is coming off beating a ranked SEC team on the road. Hats off to USA though.

(10-15-2017 03:21 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 03:07 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:59 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  I love how people are down on USA because Troy “beat themselves” but don’t mention us beating ourselves against teams we’ve lost to (or the refs beating us aginst idaho).

Jones did try to beat himself on Wednesday.

I'm just pointing out the obvious issues with USA. Can you guys score enough offensively when you start facing better offenses than Troy?

Our defense is playing well. We’re not going to see another defense as good as Troy’s so we’ll have to see. I don’t think we need to score 40+.

I was just pointing out that everyone seems to think our defense had nothing to do with Chunn only getting 28 yards or Silvers not being able to throw the short passes that he is normally good at. We didn’t exactly play a perfect game ourselves, but our defense was ready to play.

Right, but you did it against a Troy team I have yet to be impressed with on the offensive side of the ball, and Chunn got hurt in the 2nd half. Formula for stopping Troy right now is playing bend but don't break, and forcing them to attempt field goals.

This week you play a ULM team that scores 40 points a game, but doesn't play defense. Win that, and I'll move you up considerably.

(10-15-2017 03:24 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 03:21 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 03:07 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:59 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  I love how people are down on USA because Troy “beat themselves” but don’t mention us beating ourselves against teams we’ve lost to (or the refs beating us aginst idaho).

Jones did try to beat himself on Wednesday.

I'm just pointing out the obvious issues with USA. Can you guys score enough offensively when you start facing better offenses than Troy?

Our defense is playing well. We’re not going to see another defense as good as Troy’s so we’ll have to see. I don’t think we need to score 40+.

I was just pointing out that everyone seems to think our defense had nothing to do with Chunn only getting 28 yards or Silvers not being able to throw the short passes that he is normally good at. We didn’t exactly play a perfect game ourselves, but our defense was ready to play.

Right, but you did it against a Troy team I have yet to be impressed with on the offensive side of the ball, and Chunn got hurt in the 2nd half. Formula for stopping Troy right now is playing bend but don't break, and forcing them to attempt field goals.

This week you play a ULM team that scores 40 points a game, but doesn't play defense. Win that, and I'll move you up considerably.

Chunn wasnt hurt until the game was 19-0, when he was averaging 2.8 yards per carry, long after our best back was hurt in the first quarter (but no one cares about that, I know).

I don’t really care where a bunch of message board bloggers rank us, I just hate seeing the good performance from our team demeaned because the result was different than people thought it would be. I don’t think we’re in the top half yet.

(10-15-2017 01:42 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  First off, any ranking that places a team ahead of a team that has beaten them when their records are identical is absolutely flawed and simply filled with bias. Second, ULM should definitely be ranked above ULL.

I don't think USA is better than Troy, sorryboutit

(10-15-2017 05:16 PM)FidelCashflow18 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 01:42 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  First off, any ranking that places a team ahead of a team that has beaten them when their records are identical is absolutely flawed and simply filled with bias. Second, ULM should definitely be ranked above ULL.

I don't think USA is better than Troy, sorryboutit

Don’t worry, neither did Troy

He said if they beaten them and have identical records.

(10-15-2017 05:59 PM)Golota Wrote:  He said if they beaten them and have identical records.

If there was domination on the field, I'd agree. However ULL/ULM went to 2OT if I remember correctly, after the Warhawks blew a huge lead.

ULM is hard to predict. They can score on anybody, but their defense is really bad. What happens when they face a team with a decent defense? We'll find out this week.

(10-15-2017 06:31 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 05:59 PM)Golota Wrote:  He said if they beaten them and have identical records.

If there was domination on the field, I'd agree. However ULL/ULM went to 2OT if I remember correctly, after the Warhawks blew a huge lead.

ULM is hard to predict. They can score on anybody, but their defense is really bad. What happens when they face a team with a decent defense? We'll find out this week.

Not disagreeing but people aren’t reading what he said. People are saying stuff like so USA be ahead of Troy? He didn’t say that.
We will find out more about ULM and USA this weekend.
I though Ga State was suppose to have a good defense?