... and by easy, I mean E-A-S-Y. Easy-peasy-lemon-squeezy. So easy.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story...fraud-case

Quote:North Carolina avoided major sanctions after the NCAA could not conclude the school violated academic rules when it made available deficient Department of African and Afro-American Studies "paper courses" to the general student body, including student-athletes.

The NCAA said in a release Friday the committee on infractions panel found two violations in this case -- the former department chair and a former curriculum secretary failed to cooperate during the investigation.

As many of us speculated months ago, if UNC was going to skate, it was going to be because their peers were uncomfortable with the NCAA asserting jurisdiction over academic integrity and matters such as whether a student-athlete actually earned their grade, or whether a course is legitimate, etc.

Quote:"While student-athletes likely benefited from the so-called 'paper courses' offered by North Carolina, the information available in the record did not establish that the courses were solely created, offered and maintained as an orchestrated effort to benefit student-athletes," said Greg Sankey, the panel's chief hearing officer and commissioner of the Southeastern Conference, in the release. "The panel is troubled by the university's shifting positions about whether academic fraud occurred on its campus and the credibility of the Cadwalader report, which it distanced itself from after initially supporting the findings. However, NCAA policy is clear. The NCAA defers to its member schools to determine whether academic fraud occurred and, ultimately, the panel is bound to making decisions within the rules set by the membership."

(10-13-2017 09:49 AM)Wedge Wrote:  ... and by easy, I mean E-A-S-Y. Easy-peasy-lemon-squeezy. So easy.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story...fraud-case

Quote:North Carolina avoided major sanctions after the NCAA could not conclude the school violated academic rules when it made available deficient Department of African and Afro-American Studies "paper courses" to the general student body, including student-athletes.

The NCAA said in a release Friday the committee on infractions panel found two violations in this case -- the former department chair and a former curriculum secretary failed to cooperate during the investigation.

As many of us speculated months ago, if UNC was going to skate, it was going to be because their peers were uncomfortable with the NCAA asserting jurisdiction over academic integrity and matters such as whether a student-athlete actually earned their grade, or whether a course is legitimate, etc.

Quote:"While student-athletes likely benefited from the so-called 'paper courses' offered by North Carolina, the information available in the record did not establish that the courses were solely created, offered and maintained as an orchestrated effort to benefit student-athletes," said Greg Sankey, the panel's chief hearing officer and commissioner of the Southeastern Conference, in the release. "The panel is troubled by the university's shifting positions about whether academic fraud occurred on its campus and the credibility of the Cadwalader report, which it distanced itself from after initially supporting the findings. However, NCAA policy is clear. The NCAA defers to its member schools to determine whether academic fraud occurred and, ultimately, the panel is bound to making decisions within the rules set by the membership."

You misspelled Eric Bledsoe.
Ahhh! The POWER of the TEACHER!
Funny thing is.......WE pay for it.

(10-13-2017 09:49 AM)Wedge Wrote:  ... and by easy, I mean E-A-S-Y. Easy-peasy-lemon-squeezy. So easy.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story...fraud-case

Quote:North Carolina avoided major sanctions after the NCAA could not conclude the school violated academic rules when it made available deficient Department of African and Afro-American Studies "paper courses" to the general student body, including student-athletes.

The NCAA said in a release Friday the committee on infractions panel found two violations in this case -- the former department chair and a former curriculum secretary failed to cooperate during the investigation.

As many of us speculated months ago, if UNC was going to skate, it was going to be because their peers were uncomfortable with the NCAA asserting jurisdiction over academic integrity and matters such as whether a student-athlete actually earned their grade, or whether a course is legitimate, etc.

Quote:"While student-athletes likely benefited from the so-called 'paper courses' offered by North Carolina, the information available in the record did not establish that the courses were solely created, offered and maintained as an orchestrated effort to benefit student-athletes," said Greg Sankey, the panel's chief hearing officer and commissioner of the Southeastern Conference, in the release. "The panel is troubled by the university's shifting positions about whether academic fraud occurred on its campus and the credibility of the Cadwalader report, which it distanced itself from after initially supporting the findings. However, NCAA policy is clear. The NCAA defers to its member schools to determine whether academic fraud occurred and, ultimately, the panel is bound to making decisions within the rules set by the membership."

I knew this was coming when they put Sankey in charge of the committee. North Carolina played the fairness charade out by complaining about his appointment to the position. As much as I liked Mike Slive is about as much as I have disdain for Greg Sankey. It wasn't easy-peasy Wedge, it was Sankey-Panky! He's a ball-less apparatchik who is anything but proactive.

IIRC we had a whole thread about this at one point -- if an athletic department is sanctioned because the university offers some courses that are ridiculously easy and other courses that might be a complete sham, then the NCAA has grabbed jurisdiction over academic legitimacy that could easily be used against any school with courses that have nicknames like "Rocks for Jocks" as long as scholarship athletes enroll in those classes.

Quote:"While student-athletes likely benefited from the courses, so did the general student body," said Sankey. "Additionally, the record did not establish that the university created and offered the courses as part of a systemic effort to benefit only student-athletes."

The last sentence might be questionable. But, Sankey is the SEC commissioner. Every school in his conference, like probably every university that recruits elite athletes, has at least a few "Rocks for Jocks" or "History of Physical Education" type courses.

To us on the outside, it's "How could you let them get away with that?" To every school recruiting elite athletes, it's, "We'll look the other way because we want to keep the NCAA on a short leash." Letting UNC off easy is well worth the benefit of keeping the NCAA from looking too closely into anyone else's possibly sketchy methods of keeping athletes academically eligible, even if what UNC did over 20-plus years is much more dubious than what most schools do to keep athletes eligible.

This case was already adjudicated by the NCAA with Eric Bledsoe.
THE best lawyers in fighting the NCAA work for uk.
All anyone has to do is follow their lead.
LEAN

(10-13-2017 10:18 AM)Dasville Wrote:  This case was already adjudicated by the NCAA with Eric Bledsoe.
THE best lawyers in fighting the NCAA work for uk.
All anyone has to do is follow their lead.
LEAN

Dude, seriously it's getting really sad. No matter what UK did UofL still bought hookers for underage boys and paid recruits hundreds of thousands of dollars to play for UofL. You don't get off the hook because "bu bu but UK did this..Uk did that!"

(10-13-2017 09:49 AM)Wedge Wrote:  ... and by easy, I mean E-A-S-Y. Easy-peasy-lemon-squeezy. So easy.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story...fraud-case

Quote:North Carolina avoided major sanctions after the NCAA could not conclude the school violated academic rules when it made available deficient Department of African and Afro-American Studies "paper courses" to the general student body, including student-athletes.

The NCAA said in a release Friday the committee on infractions panel found two violations in this case -- the former department chair and a former curriculum secretary failed to cooperate during the investigation.

As many of us speculated months ago, if UNC was going to skate, it was going to be because their peers were uncomfortable with the NCAA asserting jurisdiction over academic integrity and matters such as whether a student-athlete actually earned their grade, or whether a course is legitimate, etc.

Quote:"While student-athletes likely benefited from the so-called 'paper courses' offered by North Carolina, the information available in the record did not establish that the courses were solely created, offered and maintained as an orchestrated effort to benefit student-athletes," said Greg Sankey, the panel's chief hearing officer and commissioner of the Southeastern Conference, in the release. "The panel is troubled by the university's shifting positions about whether academic fraud occurred on its campus and the credibility of the Cadwalader report, which it distanced itself from after initially supporting the findings. However, NCAA policy is clear. The NCAA defers to its member schools to determine whether academic fraud occurred and, ultimately, the panel is bound to making decisions within the rules set by the membership."

Look out West Carolina!

(10-13-2017 10:58 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 10:18 AM)Dasville Wrote:  This case was already adjudicated by the NCAA with Eric Bledsoe.
THE best lawyers in fighting the NCAA work for uk.
All anyone has to do is follow their lead.
LEAN

Dude, seriously it's getting really sad. No matter what UK did UofL still bought hookers for underage boys and paid recruits hundreds of thousands of dollars to play for UofL. You don't get off the hook because "bu bu but UK did this..Uk did that!"

You have at least 4 inaccurate assertions in your response to my post. It is debatable whether I have any in mine.

(10-13-2017 11:04 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 10:58 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 10:18 AM)Dasville Wrote:  This case was already adjudicated by the NCAA with Eric Bledsoe.
THE best lawyers in fighting the NCAA work for uk.
All anyone has to do is follow their lead.
LEAN

Dude, seriously it's getting really sad. No matter what UK did UofL still bought hookers for underage boys and paid recruits hundreds of thousands of dollars to play for UofL. You don't get off the hook because "bu bu but UK did this..Uk did that!"

You have at least 4 inaccurate assertions in your response to my post. It is debatable whether I have any in mine.

Really? Lets go through them then. Were high school recruits given lap dances and sexual favors by escorts while on campus visits? Yes, Louisville admitted as such. Are you saying that didn't happen and thats wrong? If so tell me how it's wrong.

Next. Louisville through Adidas paid Bowen 100,000 dollars to come to Louisville. Yes, thats true, the FBI has audio tapes of his mom asking for the money. Louisville admitted it and fired Pitino and Jurich over it. Are you saying those tapes are fake and it didn't happen? If so please explain what is wrong there.

(10-13-2017 11:24 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 11:04 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 10:58 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 10:18 AM)Dasville Wrote:  This case was already adjudicated by the NCAA with Eric Bledsoe.
THE best lawyers in fighting the NCAA work for uk.
All anyone has to do is follow their lead.
LEAN

Dude, seriously it's getting really sad. No matter what UK did UofL still bought hookers for underage boys and paid recruits hundreds of thousands of dollars to play for UofL. You don't get off the hook because "bu bu but UK did this..Uk did that!"

You have at least 4 inaccurate assertions in your response to my post. It is debatable whether I have any in mine.

Really? Lets go through them then. Were high school recruits given lap dances and sexual favors by escorts while on campus visits? Yes, Louisville admitted as such. Are you saying that didn't happen and thats wrong? If so tell me how it's wrong.

Next. Louisville through Adidas paid Bowen 100,000 dollars to come to Louisville. Yes, thats true, the FBI has audio tapes of his mom asking for the money. Louisville admitted it and fired Pitino and Jurich over it. Are you saying those tapes are fake and it didn't happen? If so please explain what is wrong there.

No comment as both cases are pending.......but feel free to expound.

(10-13-2017 11:29 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 11:24 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 11:04 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 10:58 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 10:18 AM)Dasville Wrote:  This case was already adjudicated by the NCAA with Eric Bledsoe.
THE best lawyers in fighting the NCAA work for uk.
All anyone has to do is follow their lead.
LEAN

Dude, seriously it's getting really sad. No matter what UK did UofL still bought hookers for underage boys and paid recruits hundreds of thousands of dollars to play for UofL. You don't get off the hook because "bu bu but UK did this..Uk did that!"

You have at least 4 inaccurate assertions in your response to my post. It is debatable whether I have any in mine.

Really? Lets go through them then. Were high school recruits given lap dances and sexual favors by escorts while on campus visits? Yes, Louisville admitted as such. Are you saying that didn't happen and thats wrong? If so tell me how it's wrong.

Next. Louisville through Adidas paid Bowen 100,000 dollars to come to Louisville. Yes, thats true, the FBI has audio tapes of his mom asking for the money. Louisville admitted it and fired Pitino and Jurich over it. Are you saying those tapes are fake and it didn't happen? If so please explain what is wrong there.

No comment as both cases are pending.......but feel free to expound.

Ah yes, say it's inaccurate but not say how. Yup, Louisville totally didn't buy hookers for underage recruits and totally didn't pay players. Yup. Thats why one NC is already vacated and Pitino and Jurich are fired. Yup, all just a conspiracy between the FBI and UK.

Yo - Wedge!

Maybe it is semantics here but in order to get off easy you have to get some kind of minor penalty that is much less severe than everyone thought it would be in the first place.

You may want to change the thread topic to "UNC - Business as usual"........

(10-13-2017 02:25 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Yo - Wedge!

Maybe it is semantics here but in order to get off easy you have to get some kind of minor penalty that is much less severe than everyone thought it would be in the first place.

You may want to change the thread topic to "UNC - Business as usual"........

You know, I thought about saying there was no punishment at all, which is practically the case, but there was a penalty handed out.

Quote:The NCAA said in a release Friday that the committee on infractions found two violations in this case: Former department chairman Julius Nyang'oro and retired office administrator Deborah Crowder failed to cooperate during the investigation. The only sanction connected with the investigation is a five-year show cause for Nyang'oro lasting until Oct. 12, 2022. Crowder was not punished, but the NCAA said it is making note of her initial lack of cooperation.

That's right, a professor has a five-year show cause penalty, which means that he cannot be employed by an NCAA member school in an athletic department capacity during that time unless the employing school shows the NCAA "cause" for permitting the employment. He can keep his current job. He just can't be a coach or athletic administrator or work in any "athletically related activity" at an NCAA school, which he never has done, for the next five years.

Well they are charging him with fraud (and the Tar Heels claim that these are not fraudulent classes).