(10-11-2017 01:21 PM)TerryD Wrote:  This is a run of the mill FBI investigation into bribery, wire fraud, mail fraud and tax evasion.

The fact that it involves college athletics is irrelevant to this investigation. This is no different than any other white collar crime investigation.

The Feds don't care about the NCAA, individual schools, players, coaches or AD's.

They care about uncovering evidence of crimes and obtaining convictions.

And what a great use of federal money that it is!

Glad we can uncover these huge networks of organized crime. Not petty crime either, like murder or huge drug money, but serious crimes ..... like paying a relatively small sum to a talented young basketball player in the hopes of securing a shoe endorsement deal later, of which itself is a naturally expected, legal thing that happens all the time in the NBA.

Yep. Glad they're not wasting their time and our tax funding by going after drug rings or mob syndicates.

(10-11-2017 01:30 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 01:21 PM)TerryD Wrote:  This is a run of the mill FBI investigation into bribery, wire fraud, mail fraud and tax evasion.

The fact that it involves college athletics is irrelevant to this investigation. This is no different than any other white collar crime investigation.

The Feds don't care about the NCAA, individual schools, players, coaches or AD's.

They care about uncovering evidence of crimes and obtaining convictions.

And what a great use of federal money that it is!

Glad we can uncover these huge networks of organized crime. Not petty crime either, like murder or huge drug money, but serious crimes ..... like paying a relatively small sum to a talented young basketball player in the hopes of securing a shoe endorsement deal later, of which itself is a naturally expected, legal thing that happens all the time in the NBA.

Yep. Glad they're not wasting their time and our tax funding by going after drug rings or mob syndicates.

So is this the only thing the FBI is working on? Do police forces only work on one case at a time? Pretty sure they have special divisions for these types of crimes and other divisions for those other crimes. Why should lower level laws be allowed to be broken just because murders happen? Thats kind of a silly way to look at the world.

"Yes, im stealing your bread but that guys stealing your milk!"

(10-11-2017 01:30 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 01:21 PM)TerryD Wrote:  This is a run of the mill FBI investigation into bribery, wire fraud, mail fraud and tax evasion.

The fact that it involves college athletics is irrelevant to this investigation. This is no different than any other white collar crime investigation.

The Feds don't care about the NCAA, individual schools, players, coaches or AD's.

They care about uncovering evidence of crimes and obtaining convictions.

And what a great use of federal money that it is!

Glad we can uncover these huge networks of organized crime. Not petty crime either, like murder or huge drug money, but serious crimes ..... like paying a relatively small sum to a talented young basketball player in the hopes of securing a shoe endorsement deal later, of which itself is a naturally expected, legal thing that happens all the time in the NBA.

Yep. Glad they're not wasting their time and our tax funding by going after drug rings or mob syndicates.

They are doing that, too, plus investigating the President, and a bunch of other white collar crime investigations.

Do you think that this is different than other white collar crimes the FBI and U.S. Attorneys investigate and prosecute all of the time???

(10-12-2017 06:10 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 01:30 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 01:21 PM)TerryD Wrote:  This is a run of the mill FBI investigation into bribery, wire fraud, mail fraud and tax evasion.

The fact that it involves college athletics is irrelevant to this investigation. This is no different than any other white collar crime investigation.

The Feds don't care about the NCAA, individual schools, players, coaches or AD's.

They care about uncovering evidence of crimes and obtaining convictions.

And what a great use of federal money that it is!

Glad we can uncover these huge networks of organized crime. Not petty crime either, like murder or huge drug money, but serious crimes ..... like paying a relatively small sum to a talented young basketball player in the hopes of securing a shoe endorsement deal later, of which itself is a naturally expected, legal thing that happens all the time in the NBA.

Yep. Glad they're not wasting their time and our tax funding by going after drug rings or mob syndicates.

They are doing that, too, plus investigating the President, and a bunch of other white collar crime investigations.

Do you think that this is different than other white collar crimes the FBI and U.S. Attorneys investigate and prosecute all of the time???

Like the IRS?

(10-12-2017 06:10 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 01:30 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 01:21 PM)TerryD Wrote:  This is a run of the mill FBI investigation into bribery, wire fraud, mail fraud and tax evasion.

The fact that it involves college athletics is irrelevant to this investigation. This is no different than any other white collar crime investigation.

The Feds don't care about the NCAA, individual schools, players, coaches or AD's.

They care about uncovering evidence of crimes and obtaining convictions.

And what a great use of federal money that it is!

Glad we can uncover these huge networks of organized crime. Not petty crime either, like murder or huge drug money, but serious crimes ..... like paying a relatively small sum to a talented young basketball player in the hopes of securing a shoe endorsement deal later, of which itself is a naturally expected, legal thing that happens all the time in the NBA.

Yep. Glad they're not wasting their time and our tax funding by going after drug rings or mob syndicates.

They are doing that, too, plus investigating the President, and a bunch of other white collar crime investigations.

Do you think that this is different than other white collar crimes the FBI and U.S. Attorneys investigate and prosecute all of the time???

It’s only different in the sense that paying a few kids what is ultimately some chump change doesn’t amount to a hill of beans. Someone cheated ... at a game. A game doesn’t mean jack s___ in the real world.

A hedge fund that uses illegal information to manipulate the stock market, that’s stealing billions of dollars from Americans. That’s actual crime.

This is nothing but a PR stunt. Reads great in the paper, because of his country's borderline sick obsession with school teams and the “special” rules we expect them to play by.

(10-12-2017 08:58 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 06:10 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 01:30 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 01:21 PM)TerryD Wrote:  This is a run of the mill FBI investigation into bribery, wire fraud, mail fraud and tax evasion.

The fact that it involves college athletics is irrelevant to this investigation. This is no different than any other white collar crime investigation.

The Feds don't care about the NCAA, individual schools, players, coaches or AD's.

They care about uncovering evidence of crimes and obtaining convictions.

And what a great use of federal money that it is!

Glad we can uncover these huge networks of organized crime. Not petty crime either, like murder or huge drug money, but serious crimes ..... like paying a relatively small sum to a talented young basketball player in the hopes of securing a shoe endorsement deal later, of which itself is a naturally expected, legal thing that happens all the time in the NBA.

Yep. Glad they're not wasting their time and our tax funding by going after drug rings or mob syndicates.

They are doing that, too, plus investigating the President, and a bunch of other white collar crime investigations.

Do you think that this is different than other white collar crimes the FBI and U.S. Attorneys investigate and prosecute all of the time???

It’s only different in the sense that paying a few kids what is ultimately some chump change doesn’t amount to a hill of beans. Someone cheated ... at a game. A game doesn’t mean jack s___ in the real world.

A hedge fund that uses illegal information to manipulate the stock market, that’s stealing billions of dollars from Americans. That’s actual crime.

This is nothing but a PR stunt. Reads great in the paper, because of his country's borderline sick obsession with school teams and the “special” rules we expect them to play by.

You are just plain flat out wrong. I have noticed a trend with you.

Whether it is Penn State, or this scandal, or whomever, but you seem to always want the schools to skate on whatever they are doing wrong.

You never want anyone to be sanctioned, punished or called to account. Is it just because its sports?

College sports is not "a game". It is a big time business with lots of dollars involved.

These people and institutions are not immune to the FBI investigating and arresting them for their crimes.

Bribery is a crime. Mail fraud is a crime. Tax evasion is a crime.

It doesn't matter and criminals don't get a pass just because they are college sports players, coaches and administrators.

(10-12-2017 11:10 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 08:58 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 06:10 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 01:30 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 01:21 PM)TerryD Wrote:  This is a run of the mill FBI investigation into bribery, wire fraud, mail fraud and tax evasion.

The fact that it involves college athletics is irrelevant to this investigation. This is no different than any other white collar crime investigation.

The Feds don't care about the NCAA, individual schools, players, coaches or AD's.

They care about uncovering evidence of crimes and obtaining convictions.

And what a great use of federal money that it is!

Glad we can uncover these huge networks of organized crime. Not petty crime either, like murder or huge drug money, but serious crimes ..... like paying a relatively small sum to a talented young basketball player in the hopes of securing a shoe endorsement deal later, of which itself is a naturally expected, legal thing that happens all the time in the NBA.

Yep. Glad they're not wasting their time and our tax funding by going after drug rings or mob syndicates.

They are doing that, too, plus investigating the President, and a bunch of other white collar crime investigations.

Do you think that this is different than other white collar crimes the FBI and U.S. Attorneys investigate and prosecute all of the time???

It’s only different in the sense that paying a few kids what is ultimately some chump change doesn’t amount to a hill of beans. Someone cheated ... at a game. A game doesn’t mean jack s___ in the real world.

A hedge fund that uses illegal information to manipulate the stock market, that’s stealing billions of dollars from Americans. That’s actual crime.

This is nothing but a PR stunt. Reads great in the paper, because of his country's borderline sick obsession with school teams and the “special” rules we expect them to play by.

You are just plain flat out wrong. I have noticed a trend with you.

Whether it is Penn State, or this scandal, or whomever, but you seem to always want the schools to skate on whatever they are doing wrong.

You never want anyone to be sanctioned, punished or called to account. Is it just because its sports?

College sports is not "a game". It is a big time business with lots of dollars involved.

These people and institutions are not immune to the FBI investigating and arresting them for their crimes.

Bribery is a crime. Mail fraud is a crime. Tax evasion is a crime.

It doesn't matter and criminals don't get a pass just because they are college sports players, coaches and administrators.

Jaywalking is a crime. Stealing a candy bar is a crime. Whoopidy friggin' doo.

There are limited resources at any agency, the FBI included. You go for the big dollar crimes.

Like I said, this is nothing but a PR stunt.


As far as punishment goes .... what does that even mean? Another bothersome obsession and tradition in this country. Does punishment actual solve anything? Does it actually deter anyone? Does it right the wrong? Answer to all three: of course not. Punishment is nothing more than a physical expression of anger. You did something that I don't like, so now I'm going to hurt you, even though it makes no sense.

Humans are very flawed creatures, indeed.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/co...725308001/


A long, long, long, long, long, long, time.

Common knowledge.

Why now and why would anyone have faith in this investigation?

Because the FBI is involved?

Because a Priest is involved?

(10-12-2017 12:02 PM)Dasville Wrote:  https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/co...725308001/


A long, long, long, long, long, long, time.

Common knowledge.

Why now and why would anyone have faith in this investigation?

Because the FBI is involved?

Because a Priest is involved?

What priest? Yes, it great that the FBI is involved, they have the means to expose all and get the necessary criminal convictions.

If anyone at ND is implicated, my stance would be the same.

Investigate, indict, imprison them. Sanction the school, heavily.

Why anyone would have sympathy for cheaters who broke many criminal statutes is beyond me.

The FBI is a good flamethrower with which to burn out the rampant cheating that goes on. Its about time.

You tell em Terry! After we burn the schools down and hang the culprits, no one will ever cheat at sports, ever again! EVER!

(10-12-2017 01:25 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  You tell em Terry! After we burn the schools down and hang the culprits, no one will ever cheat at sports, ever again! EVER!

No, they will. The answer is to keep burning them alive. Rinse, repeat.

Your response is to do nothing, to go ahead and let them bribe, defraud and cheat.

No thanks.

(10-12-2017 01:25 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  You tell em Terry! After we burn the schools down and hang the culprits, no one will ever cheat at sports, ever again! EVER!

Yeah, you're totally level headed and realistic about this.

"Sorry, we can't investigate who stole your car because of murders and rapes and drug cartels and organized crime exists."

Cool outlook.

(10-12-2017 02:03 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 01:25 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  You tell em Terry! After we burn the schools down and hang the culprits, no one will ever cheat at sports, ever again! EVER!

No, they will. The answer is to keep burning them alive. Rinse, repeat.

Your response is to do nothing, to go ahead and let them bribe, defraud and cheat.

No thanks.

Where did I say my response is to do nothing?

Anything else you'd like to make up out of thin air??

(10-12-2017 02:03 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 01:25 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  You tell em Terry! After we burn the schools down and hang the culprits, no one will ever cheat at sports, ever again! EVER!

Yeah, you're totally level headed and realistic about this.

"Sorry, we can't investigate who stole your car because of murders and rapes and drug cartels and organized crime exists."

Cool outlook.

Correct, federal agencies don't investigate car thefts. That's why we have local and state police depts.

(10-12-2017 02:05 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 02:03 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 01:25 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  You tell em Terry! After we burn the schools down and hang the culprits, no one will ever cheat at sports, ever again! EVER!

No, they will. The answer is to keep burning them alive. Rinse, repeat.

Your response is to do nothing, to go ahead and let them bribe, defraud and cheat.

No thanks.

Where did I say my response is to do nothing?

Anything else you'd like to make up out of thin air??

(10-12-2017 02:03 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 01:25 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  You tell em Terry! After we burn the schools down and hang the culprits, no one will ever cheat at sports, ever again! EVER!

Yeah, you're totally level headed and realistic about this.

"Sorry, we can't investigate who stole your car because of murders and rapes and drug cartels and organized crime exists."

Cool outlook.

Correct, federal agencies don't investigate car thefts. That's why we have local and state police depts.

But why should the local officials look into that when they have murders and rapes and drug cartels and organized crime?

(10-12-2017 02:44 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 02:05 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 02:03 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 01:25 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  You tell em Terry! After we burn the schools down and hang the culprits, no one will ever cheat at sports, ever again! EVER!

No, they will. The answer is to keep burning them alive. Rinse, repeat.

Your response is to do nothing, to go ahead and let them bribe, defraud and cheat.

No thanks.

Where did I say my response is to do nothing?

Anything else you'd like to make up out of thin air??

(10-12-2017 02:03 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 01:25 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  You tell em Terry! After we burn the schools down and hang the culprits, no one will ever cheat at sports, ever again! EVER!

Yeah, you're totally level headed and realistic about this.

"Sorry, we can't investigate who stole your car because of murders and rapes and drug cartels and organized crime exists."

Cool outlook.

Correct, federal agencies don't investigate car thefts. That's why we have local and state police depts.

But why should the local officials look into that when they have murders and rapes and drug cartels and organized crime?

Local depts look into car thefts all the time. Not sure what your point is, so encourage you to reword and be more forthcoming/to the point.

TerryD, the NCAA is a sheet show and this NCAA Committee and FBI investigations are no more than a “Harvey Weinstein”.

It’s not about finding out who’s hands are dirty, it’s about showing who’s hands are clean.

NCAA have rolled out Coach K to be the face of clean. I’m sure all those nasty aau people will be caught and the corrupt high school programs **** down.

Meanwhile you have Condi Rice and ND PResident as the face of the NCAA Committee.

It’s a sheet show.

Everyone knew what has been going on for years.

(10-12-2017 02:51 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 02:44 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 02:05 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 02:03 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 01:25 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  You tell em Terry! After we burn the schools down and hang the culprits, no one will ever cheat at sports, ever again! EVER!

No, they will. The answer is to keep burning them alive. Rinse, repeat.

Your response is to do nothing, to go ahead and let them bribe, defraud and cheat.

No thanks.

Where did I say my response is to do nothing?

Anything else you'd like to make up out of thin air??

(10-12-2017 02:03 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 01:25 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  You tell em Terry! After we burn the schools down and hang the culprits, no one will ever cheat at sports, ever again! EVER!

Yeah, you're totally level headed and realistic about this.

"Sorry, we can't investigate who stole your car because of murders and rapes and drug cartels and organized crime exists."

Cool outlook.

Correct, federal agencies don't investigate car thefts. That's why we have local and state police depts.

But why should the local officials look into that when they have murders and rapes and drug cartels and organized crime?

Local depts look into car thefts all the time. Not sure what your point is, so encourage you to reword and be more forthcoming/to the point.

And the FBI looks into fraud and bribery all the time not sure what your point is, so I encourage you to rethink your stance.

(10-12-2017 03:27 PM)Dasville Wrote:  TerryD, the NCAA is a sheet show and this NCAA Committee and FBI investigations are no more than a “Harvey Weinstein”.

It’s not about finding out who’s hands are dirty, it’s about showing who’s hands are clean.

NCAA have rolled out Coach K to be the face of clean. I’m sure all those nasty aau people will be caught and the corrupt high school programs **** down.

Meanwhile you have Condi Rice and ND PResident as the face of the NCAA Committee.

It’s a sheet show.

Everyone knew what has been going on for years.

Yup, once again all a conspiracy to get UofL. The FBI is out to get the Cards because UK somehow and Coach K is in on it too!

(10-12-2017 03:49 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 02:51 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 02:44 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 02:05 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 02:03 PM)TerryD Wrote:  No, they will. The answer is to keep burning them alive. Rinse, repeat.

Your response is to do nothing, to go ahead and let them bribe, defraud and cheat.

No thanks.

Where did I say my response is to do nothing?

Anything else you'd like to make up out of thin air??

(10-12-2017 02:03 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Yeah, you're totally level headed and realistic about this.

"Sorry, we can't investigate who stole your car because of murders and rapes and drug cartels and organized crime exists."

Cool outlook.

Correct, federal agencies don't investigate car thefts. That's why we have local and state police depts.

But why should the local officials look into that when they have murders and rapes and drug cartels and organized crime?

Local depts look into car thefts all the time. Not sure what your point is, so encourage you to reword and be more forthcoming/to the point.

And the FBI looks into fraud and bribery all the time not sure what your point is, so I encourage you to rethink your stance.

The FBI focuses its limited resources on the big, high dollar cases, as it should. Likewise, a car theft is a big deal to a local police dept, so definitely something they'd allocate some of their limited resources toward investigating.

This case clearly doesn't fit that bill for the FBI. But they took it on knowing it would be big PR and get a lot of clicks. Essentially, the same thing as "fake news".

(10-12-2017 03:56 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 03:49 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 02:51 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 02:44 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 02:05 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Where did I say my response is to do nothing?

Anything else you'd like to make up out of thin air??



Correct, federal agencies don't investigate car thefts. That's why we have local and state police depts.

But why should the local officials look into that when they have murders and rapes and drug cartels and organized crime?

Local depts look into car thefts all the time. Not sure what your point is, so encourage you to reword and be more forthcoming/to the point.

And the FBI looks into fraud and bribery all the time not sure what your point is, so I encourage you to rethink your stance.

The FBI focuses its limited resources on the big, high dollar cases, as it should. Likewise, a car theft is a big deal to a local police dept, so definitely something they'd allocate some of their limited resources toward investigating.

This case clearly doesn't fit that bill for the FBI. But they took it on knowing it would be big PR and get a lot of clicks. Essentially, the same thing as "fake news".

Depends on your idea of local. In NYC car theft isn't a big deal. The FBis resources aren't that limited. They have a division for organized crime, and one for murder and one for fraud and many others.

They go after whiet collar crime all the time, just because your idea of the FBI is from TV shows and movies doesn't mean it's an accurate portrayal of what the entire FBI does. They don't just focus on "big high dollar cases" they focus on federal crimes that aren't the jurisdiction of local authorities. Look up the FBI and their budget (8.3 BILLION) to get a better understanding on the tpoic.