In Chris Vannini's G5 mailbag which is read by quite a few people nationally.

Today has a question from Douglas R.--

"Have you seen anything like what's happened to MTSU? They've given Rick Stockstill, a .500 coach who's not popular with fans, who hasn't won a conference title in 18 years, essentially a lifetime contract... A once growing program has dwindled down to embarrassing attendance, no interest at all thanks to repeated mediocre seasons, poor recruiting, poor development, etc.."

His answer -- MTSU is kind of like the G5 Iowa...

He also refers to the region's growing population and FB talent MT should be able to take advantage of.

His answer has MORE-- but fairly sure it's behind a paywall and I did not want to include everything.

Thoughts? Could this add a little pressure on MT to do something?

(01-23-2023 03:53 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Could this add a little pressure on MT to do something?

I doubt it.

They don't care what the fans think.

(01-23-2023 04:09 PM)SpaceRaider Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 03:53 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Could this add a little pressure on MT to do something?

I doubt it.

They don't care what the fans think.

Serious. NOT trying to put down MT with this next question.

If the Admin. has this attitude and mediocrity--- HOW do they expect to be "in line" for the next AAC opening?

That was supposed to be the reason for turning down the mac-- I thought.

AAC decision makers would be less likely to go for MT with this situation IMHO.

(01-23-2023 03:53 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  In Chris Vannini's G5 mailbag which is read by quite a few people nationally.

Today has a question from Douglas R.--

"Have you seen anything like what's happened to MTSU? They've given Rick Stockstill, a .500 coach who's not popular with fans, who hasn't won a conference title in 18 years, essentially a lifetime contract... A once growing program has dwindled down to embarrassing attendance, no interest at all thanks to repeated mediocre seasons, poor recruiting, poor development, etc.."

His answer -- MTSU is kind of like the G5 Iowa...

He also refers to the region's growing population and FB talent MT should be able to take advantage of.

His answer has MORE-- but fairly sure it's behind a paywall and I did not want to include everything.

Thoughts? Could this add a little pressure on MT to do something?

Not going to lie, this part made me think of Stansberry and WKU. For the life of me, I'll never understand that extension he was given after last season. In my opinion, Stock and Stans are similar in their struggles to win conference titles. I think both programs would benefit from fires those guys and upgrading.

(01-23-2023 07:37 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(01-20-2023 10:50 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 04:09 PM)SpaceRaider Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 03:53 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Could this add a little pressure on MT to do something?

I doubt it.

They don't care what the fans think.

Serious. NOT trying to put down MT with this next question.

If the Admin. has this attitude and mediocrity--- HOW do they expect to be "in line" for the next AAC opening?

That was supposed to be the reason for turning down the mac-- I thought.

AAC decision makers would be less likely to go for MT with this situation IMHO.

Your question doubles as the answer. The degree of obliviousness would be difficult to believe if it weren’t playing out right in front of us. The leadership is so clueless it took getting left behind to announce the facility upgrades that had actually been in the works for years (not before). This is a rudderless ship at MT that never runs aground and continues to otherwise operate and function at an otherwise normal level just without direction. It’s really quite a phenomenon. We have a spineless president, an affable but wholly ineffective AD, and a head coach that’s just mailed it in without an incentive of any kinds.

It really makes you wonder what we could be if we had leadership in place that actually had a clue. And any foresight.

(01-23-2023 10:10 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 03:53 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  In Chris Vannini's G5 mailbag which is read by quite a few people nationally.

Today has a question from Douglas R.--

"Have you seen anything like what's happened to MTSU? They've given Rick Stockstill, a .500 coach who's not popular with fans, who hasn't won a conference title in 18 years, essentially a lifetime contract... A once growing program has dwindled down to embarrassing attendance, no interest at all thanks to repeated mediocre seasons, poor recruiting, poor development, etc.."

His answer -- MTSU is kind of like the G5 Iowa...

He also refers to the region's growing population and FB talent MT should be able to take advantage of.

His answer has MORE-- but fairly sure it's behind a paywall and I did not want to include everything.

Thoughts? Could this add a little pressure on MT to do something?

Not going to lie, this part made me think of Stansberry and WKU. For the life of me, I'll never understand that extension he was given after last season. In my opinion, Stock and Stans are similar in their struggles to win conference titles. I think both programs would benefit from fires those guys and upgrading.

I think we make a coaching change in the offseason. Stansbury was a little different from Stockstill in that we "won" the offseason most years. Tons of highly regarded talent coming in made it hard to heat up the seat. Made the tourney finals a bunch early on too. Felt like we were just unlucky and would get there. Never happened.

Stockstill has been at MTSU since 2006. WKU basketball has had 4 different head coaches since then and will likely have a fifth during Stock's tenure. We have had five different football coaches in that time. I don't think the situations are identical, but I agree that both are barely above average coaches who have outstayed their welcome.

(01-24-2023 09:56 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 10:10 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 03:53 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  In Chris Vannini's G5 mailbag which is read by quite a few people nationally.

Today has a question from Douglas R.--

"Have you seen anything like what's happened to MTSU? They've given Rick Stockstill, a .500 coach who's not popular with fans, who hasn't won a conference title in 18 years, essentially a lifetime contract... A once growing program has dwindled down to embarrassing attendance, no interest at all thanks to repeated mediocre seasons, poor recruiting, poor development, etc.."

His answer -- MTSU is kind of like the G5 Iowa...

He also refers to the region's growing population and FB talent MT should be able to take advantage of.

His answer has MORE-- but fairly sure it's behind a paywall and I did not want to include everything.

Thoughts? Could this add a little pressure on MT to do something?

Not going to lie, this part made me think of Stansberry and WKU. For the life of me, I'll never understand that extension he was given after last season. In my opinion, Stock and Stans are similar in their struggles to win conference titles. I think both programs would benefit from fires those guys and upgrading.

I think we make a coaching change in the offseason. Stansbury was a little different from Stockstill in that we "won" the offseason most years. Tons of highly regarded talent coming in made it hard to heat up the seat. Made the tourney finals a bunch early on too. Felt like we were just unlucky and would get there. Never happened.

Stockstill has been at MTSU since 2006. WKU basketball has had 4 different head coaches since then and will likely have a fifth during Stock's tenure. We have had five different football coaches in that time. I don't think the situations are identical, but I agree that both are barely above average coaches who have outstayed their welcome.

Well, in all fairness, there really is no comparison to Stockstill. There has NEVER in the history of college football been a head coach stay so long without a conference championship.

Moreover, we rarely, if ever, fire any assistants.

Our university is run by a bunch of 70-year olds, who think the "young" whippersnappers (59 and below) have no idea what's good for the university. "Do as I say" and "stay in your place"

I would like to formally apologize to MTSU fans...if FAU was even mediocre in our football series with you, Stock would have been fired years ago. But all of those wins over us (never losing at home v FAU under Stock) has given him a job in perpetuity. Owl nation formally would like to offer reparations.

(01-24-2023 10:23 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(01-24-2023 09:56 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 10:10 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 03:53 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  In Chris Vannini's G5 mailbag which is read by quite a few people nationally.

Today has a question from Douglas R.--

"Have you seen anything like what's happened to MTSU? They've given Rick Stockstill, a .500 coach who's not popular with fans, who hasn't won a conference title in 18 years, essentially a lifetime contract... A once growing program has dwindled down to embarrassing attendance, no interest at all thanks to repeated mediocre seasons, poor recruiting, poor development, etc.."

His answer -- MTSU is kind of like the G5 Iowa...

He also refers to the region's growing population and FB talent MT should be able to take advantage of.

His answer has MORE-- but fairly sure it's behind a paywall and I did not want to include everything.

Thoughts? Could this add a little pressure on MT to do something?

Not going to lie, this part made me think of Stansberry and WKU. For the life of me, I'll never understand that extension he was given after last season. In my opinion, Stock and Stans are similar in their struggles to win conference titles. I think both programs would benefit from fires those guys and upgrading.

I think we make a coaching change in the offseason. Stansbury was a little different from Stockstill in that we "won" the offseason most years. Tons of highly regarded talent coming in made it hard to heat up the seat. Made the tourney finals a bunch early on too. Felt like we were just unlucky and would get there. Never happened.

Stockstill has been at MTSU since 2006. WKU basketball has had 4 different head coaches since then and will likely have a fifth during Stock's tenure. We have had five different football coaches in that time. I don't think the situations are identical, but I agree that both are barely above average coaches who have outstayed their welcome.

Well, in all fairness, there really is no comparison to Stockstill. There has NEVER in the history of college football been a head coach stay so long without a conference championship.

Moreover, we rarely, if ever, fire any assistants.

Our university is run by a bunch of 70-year olds, who think the "young" whippersnappers (59 and below) have no idea what's good for the university. "Do as I say" and "stay in your place"

The bold is a blessing and a curse and not just in sports....

good to have the wisdom and experience that age brings with it. But it also is a curse because as we age (especially later in life) you sometimes lose the vision for the future. Not only that change becomes more difficult to make


Dont mean to bring politics into this and I'm really not it more about old people mostly running it. It's just what I often tell my sons....

While I disagree with a lot on the way this world is heading to over the past couple years. At the age of 63 this is not my world to try and change because its the world each of you and your kids will have to grow up in, live in then die in. I lived most of my life so whatever changes are made wont have the same effect on me. So it's their fight to shape a world that is important to the way they and their children want to live.

Point being at some point that wisdom and experience keeps you in the past and will take you in a direction different than a changing future. Vision is as and maybe more important than the wisdom. The future should never be majorly controlled by people that that its not going to have a major impact on.

(01-24-2023 02:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-24-2023 10:23 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(01-24-2023 09:56 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 10:10 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 03:53 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  In Chris Vannini's G5 mailbag which is read by quite a few people nationally.

Today has a question from Douglas R.--

"Have you seen anything like what's happened to MTSU? They've given Rick Stockstill, a .500 coach who's not popular with fans, who hasn't won a conference title in 18 years, essentially a lifetime contract... A once growing program has dwindled down to embarrassing attendance, no interest at all thanks to repeated mediocre seasons, poor recruiting, poor development, etc.."

His answer -- MTSU is kind of like the G5 Iowa...

He also refers to the region's growing population and FB talent MT should be able to take advantage of.

His answer has MORE-- but fairly sure it's behind a paywall and I did not want to include everything.

Thoughts? Could this add a little pressure on MT to do something?

Not going to lie, this part made me think of Stansberry and WKU. For the life of me, I'll never understand that extension he was given after last season. In my opinion, Stock and Stans are similar in their struggles to win conference titles. I think both programs would benefit from fires those guys and upgrading.

I think we make a coaching change in the offseason. Stansbury was a little different from Stockstill in that we "won" the offseason most years. Tons of highly regarded talent coming in made it hard to heat up the seat. Made the tourney finals a bunch early on too. Felt like we were just unlucky and would get there. Never happened.

Stockstill has been at MTSU since 2006. WKU basketball has had 4 different head coaches since then and will likely have a fifth during Stock's tenure. We have had five different football coaches in that time. I don't think the situations are identical, but I agree that both are barely above average coaches who have outstayed their welcome.

Well, in all fairness, there really is no comparison to Stockstill. There has NEVER in the history of college football been a head coach stay so long without a conference championship.

Moreover, we rarely, if ever, fire any assistants.

Our university is run by a bunch of 70-year olds, who think the "young" whippersnappers (59 and below) have no idea what's good for the university. "Do as I say" and "stay in your place"

The bold is a blessing and a curse and not just in sports....

good to have the wisdom and experience that age brings with it. But it also is a curse because as we age (especially later in life) you sometimes lose the vision for the future. Not only that change becomes more difficult to make


Dont mean to bring politics into this and I'm really not it more about old people mostly running it. It's just what I often tell my sons....

While I disagree with a lot on the way this world is heading to over the past couple years. At the age of 63 this is not my world to try and change because its the world each of you and your kids will have to grow up in, live in then die in. I lived most of my life so whatever changes are made wont have the same effect on me. So it's their fight to shape a world that is important to the way they and their children want to live.

Point being at some point that wisdom and experience keeps you in the past and will take you in a direction different than a changing future. Vision is as and maybe more important than the wisdom. The future should never be majorly controlled by people that that its not going to have a major impact on.

Great Post!!

To the FAU fan above that’s how Stock has done it. He’s not a bad coach. He’s just not a good one. If your season ends in .500 or below there’s a good chance Stock beat you. If you finish above .500 then an even better chance your team beat Stock.

He’s doesn’t really lose games he isn’t supposed to but he never gets over the hump to be the best team in the league.

I wish he'd finally win a conference title. There's no doubt it bothers him. He sounds like a good person, but he's not the greatest coach. His team did upset Miami and San Diego State though.

I'm a Rice fan. Trust me, it could be much, much worse for MTSU. At least you aren't suffering through your seventh losing season in a row.

(01-27-2023 11:26 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I'm a Rice fan. Trust me, it could be much, much worse for MTSU. At least you aren't suffering through your seventh losing season in a row.

At least then we wouldn't see automatic contract extensions into the next decade and finally a buyout/firing wouldn't be out of the question. Instead I am doubting if I will live to see a new football coach hired. I have given up on seeing a conference championship while stockstill is coach. I absolutely despise the AD/President/Board of Trustees for putting the university and fans in this position and allowing it to continue in perpetuity.