(10-04-2017 08:38 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 04:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 04:04 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 09:39 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  All right, I've got to ask you guys; where does this desire for SCAR to the ACC come from? I've seen GTS advocate for the Vols to the ACC as well, but at least I can understand that one. I'm just baffled by the Cocky move

Tennessee makes the most sense fiscally and geographically. It's just that simple. It's a natural fit and easy drive for almost half the conference.

(10-03-2017 12:44 PM)XLance Wrote:  That's a quick and easy decision if it ever has to be made, JR.....we'll take the Barbarians over you guys in a heartbeat!

Well now I wouldn't say that. If my choice is between political anathema and road games in Minneapolis, East Lansing, and Bloomington .... or academic anathema and road games in Starkville, Oxford, and Columbia MO .... I'll take option 2.

As to the first quote, the reverse is also why the SEC would be interested in a North Carolina school.

As to the second quote, I strongly suspect that you and Georgia Tech would not be alone in that sentiment. I seriously doubt that Florida State or Clemson would choose the barbarians and according to the way Cunningham was feeling after he polled UNC boosters and key alums after the fiasco in 2011 their overwhelming preference was academic anathema and cultural fit with Southern brethren. In fact his only question of Slive was "Can Duke count on a spot as well?" Slive was reported to have said, "Yes".

UNC knows they have a landing spot with Duke. This makes me think NC State is more a a fall back option as opposed to a school worth expanding for. Virginia Tech is a great addition on their own in terms of new markets, recruiting grounds, football brand and number of fans added.

That's why I've been of the opinion that when N.C. State gains AAU status and they are pretty much next in line, that the Big 10 would be quite satisfied with N.C. State and either of the Virginia Schools, but UVa would meet their criteria.

So the SEC could expand to 20 out of the ACC with Duke, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Florida State and Virginia Tech. Va Tech is tied through their corps to A&M loosely. Duke, North Carolina and Kentucky give us that hoops edge. Georgia Tech is a historic rival of many current SEC schools with Auburn being the primary one other that Georgia, and Clemson and Florida State are SEC like schools.

I'd much rather expand out of that grouping than out of the West. I'm sure you might feel differently and I totally understand. I see the need for companions for Arkansas, A&M and Missouri.

Anyway no matter which direction we head there will be some tough choices all the way around.

(10-04-2017 10:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 08:38 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 04:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  As to the first quote, the reverse is also why the SEC would be interested in a North Carolina school.

As to the second quote, I strongly suspect that you and Georgia Tech would not be alone in that sentiment. I seriously doubt that Florida State or Clemson would choose the barbarians and according to the way Cunningham was feeling after he polled UNC boosters and key alums after the fiasco in 2011 their overwhelming preference was academic anathema and cultural fit with Southern brethren. In fact his only question of Slive was "Can Duke count on a spot as well?" Slive was reported to have said, "Yes".

UNC knows they have a landing spot with Duke. This makes me think NC State is more a a fall back option as opposed to a school worth expanding for. Virginia Tech is a great addition on their own in terms of new markets, recruiting grounds, football brand and number of fans added.

That's why I've been of the opinion that when N.C. State gains AAU status and they are pretty much next in line, that the Big 10 would be quite satisfied with N.C. State and either of the Virginia Schools, but UVa would meet their criteria.

So the SEC could expand to 20 out of the ACC with Duke, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Florida State and Virginia Tech. Va Tech is tied through their corps to A&M loosely. Duke, North Carolina and Kentucky give us that hoops edge. Georgia Tech is a historic rival of many current SEC schools with Auburn being the primary one other that Georgia, and Clemson and Florida State are SEC like schools.

I'd much rather expand out of that grouping than out of the West. I'm sure you might feel differently and I totally understand. I see the need for companions for Arkansas, A&M and Missouri.

Anyway no matter which direction we head there will be some tough choices all the way around.

I think 24 can work.

With 4 to the West and 6 to the East, the only question will be arranging the divisions in such a way as to make all the key rivalries regular.

(10-05-2017 12:55 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 10:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 08:38 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 04:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  As to the first quote, the reverse is also why the SEC would be interested in a North Carolina school.

As to the second quote, I strongly suspect that you and Georgia Tech would not be alone in that sentiment. I seriously doubt that Florida State or Clemson would choose the barbarians and according to the way Cunningham was feeling after he polled UNC boosters and key alums after the fiasco in 2011 their overwhelming preference was academic anathema and cultural fit with Southern brethren. In fact his only question of Slive was "Can Duke count on a spot as well?" Slive was reported to have said, "Yes".

UNC knows they have a landing spot with Duke. This makes me think NC State is more a a fall back option as opposed to a school worth expanding for. Virginia Tech is a great addition on their own in terms of new markets, recruiting grounds, football brand and number of fans added.

That's why I've been of the opinion that when N.C. State gains AAU status and they are pretty much next in line, that the Big 10 would be quite satisfied with N.C. State and either of the Virginia Schools, but UVa would meet their criteria.

So the SEC could expand to 20 out of the ACC with Duke, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Florida State and Virginia Tech. Va Tech is tied through their corps to A&M loosely. Duke, North Carolina and Kentucky give us that hoops edge. Georgia Tech is a historic rival of many current SEC schools with Auburn being the primary one other that Georgia, and Clemson and Florida State are SEC like schools.

I'd much rather expand out of that grouping than out of the West. I'm sure you might feel differently and I totally understand. I see the need for companions for Arkansas, A&M and Missouri.

Anyway no matter which direction we head there will be some tough choices all the way around.

I think 24 can work.

With 4 to the West and 6 to the East, the only question will be arranging the divisions in such a way as to make all the key rivalries regular.

Let's see:
Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech
Alabama, Florida State, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina
Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech

Everyone plays 5 Division games, has 1 permanent rival from each other division and rotates 1 school from each division. That way even in a conference of 24 you play everyone else every 5 years. And it still leaves one OOC game for old rivals elsewhere.

Let's take the Aggies' schedule for example. If they wanted to they could have these 8 annual games: Alabama, Florida State, L.S.U., Ole Miss, Miss St., Texas, Georgia Tech, and Virginia Tech. Now if that schedule doesn't jazz the home crowd I don't know what will. If they really don't want to play Texas then they could take Okie State or Texas Tech in that slot. But that's how it would work. I really don't see any rivalries that would be missed.

(10-05-2017 12:55 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I think 24 can work.

With 4 to the West and 6 to the East, the only question will be arranging the divisions in such a way as to make all the key rivalries regular.

Atlantic Division
Clemson (GT, UGA, Auburn)
South Carolina (GT, TN, UGA)
Florida (UGA, Alabama, Missouri)
Florida State (Auburn, Texas, OSU)
North Carolina (TN, UK, VT)
Duke (GT, UK, VT)

Southeast Division
Georgia (UF, Clemson, USC-e)
Georgia Tech (Duke, Clemson, USC-e)
Virginia Tech (UNC, Duke, OU)
Kentucky (UNC, Duke, OU)
Tennessee (UNC, Vanderbilt, USC-e)
Auburn (FSU, Clemson, Alabama)

Southwest Division
Alabama (Auburn, UF, Texas)
Vanderbilt (TN, TTU, OSU)
Missouri (UF, OU, OSU)
LSU (Arkansas, Texas, TAMU)
Ole Miss (Arkansas, TTU, TAMU)
Miss State (Arkansas, TTU, TAMU)

Southwest Division
Arkansas (LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State)
Oklahoma (Missouri, VT, UK)
Oklahoma State (Missouri, FSU, Vanderbilt)
Texas (Alabama, LSU, FSU)
Texas A&M (LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State)
Texas Tech (Ole Miss, Miss State, Vanderbilt)


FB: Everybody in your division (5), permanent crossovers (3), rotate (1) = 9
BB: Home and home round robin with your division (10), home and home round robin with permanent crossovers (6), rotate (2) = 18

Crossovers in parenthesis above. Yeah, there's a few oddballs, but everything worth keeping is kept for the most part.

(10-05-2017 02:31 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 12:55 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I think 24 can work.

With 4 to the West and 6 to the East, the only question will be arranging the divisions in such a way as to make all the key rivalries regular.

Atlantic Division
Clemson (GT, UGA, Auburn)
South Carolina (GT, TN, UGA)
Florida (UGA, Alabama, Missouri)
Florida State (Auburn, Texas, OSU)
North Carolina (TN, UK, VT)
Duke (GT, UK, VT)

Southeast Division
Georgia (UF, Clemson, USC-e)
Georgia Tech (Duke, Clemson, USC-e)
Virginia Tech (UNC, Duke, OU)
Kentucky (UNC, Duke, OU)
Tennessee (UNC, Vanderbilt, USC-e)
Auburn (FSU, Clemson, Alabama)

Southwest Division
Alabama (Auburn, UF, Texas)
Vanderbilt (TN, TTU, OSU)
Missouri (UF, OU, OSU)
LSU (Arkansas, Texas, TAMU)
Ole Miss (Arkansas, TTU, TAMU)
Miss State (Arkansas, TTU, TAMU)

Southwest Division
Arkansas (LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State)
Oklahoma (Missouri, VT, UK)
Oklahoma State (Missouri, FSU, Vanderbilt)
Texas (Alabama, LSU, FSU)
Texas A&M (LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State)
Texas Tech (Ole Miss, Miss State, Vanderbilt)


FB: Everybody in your division (5), permanent crossovers (3), rotate (1) = 9
BB: Home and home round robin with your division (10), home and home round robin with permanent crossovers (6), rotate (2) = 18

Crossovers in parenthesis above. Yeah, there's a few oddballs, but everything worth keeping is kept for the most part.

Good effort, but I like mine better.

A P3 of 63?

SEC
East: Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, SC, Auburn, Alabama, Kentucky

Central: FSU, Clemson, Virginia, VT, NC, Duke, GT

West: LSU, A&M, Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss, Miss State, Vanderbilt

B1G
East: ND, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, BC, Maryland, Rutgers

Central: Ohio State, Michigan, Mich State, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue

West: Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas, Illinois, Northwestern

Big 21
West: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Washington, Oregon, Utah

South: Arizona, Arizona State, TT, TCU, Colorado, Kansas State, Iowa State

East: Miami, Louisville, NC State, Houston, WV, WF

Washington State, Oregon State & Baylor left out.


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I can see the combo of Virginia/North Carolina/Duke ending up in either the SEC or B1G. I initially believed the B1G, because of academics and Maryland, but I think the SEC seems more likely for various reasons. I don't believe North Carolina St, Wake Forest, and Virginia Tech find homes with the other 3. North Carolina St and Virginia Tech seem destined for something better and that would be the B1G. Wake Forest is out of luck.

Georgia Tech had its SEC run and I could see them heading to the B1G. I could see a similar decision by Miami because Florida St and Clemson would likely find a home in the SEC. I don't think the SEC takes both Florida St and Miami, and Miami has good academics. It would also expand the B1G footprint which I think they want.

Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St could end up in the SEC. Kansas could easily find its way in the B1G.

To secure Notre Dame, and I think it could happen, the B1G would take in more Eastern schools to give Notre Dame a divisional home. Let's say Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Boston College. B1G passes over West Virginia who finds a home to round out the SEC. B1G considers Connecticut but goes with Iowa St.

B1G mia gt ncst vt ks pitt syr bc nd iast

SEC
West: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Arkansas, Missouri
South: Texas A&M, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Alabama, Vanderbilt
East: Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Florida St, South Carolina, Clemson
North: Tennessee, Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke, Virginia, West Virginia

B1G
West: Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa St, Minnesota, Wisconsin
North: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St
East: Northwestern, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College
South: Miami, Georgia Tech, North Carolina St, Virginia Tech, Maryland, Penn St

- I put Northwestern into the "East" division because they are a private school and in/near a major city which fits the demographics of that division.

That leaves TCU, Baylor, Kansas St, Wake Forest, and Louisville. Those 5 + AAC + MWC + BYU would form a solid 30-school "conference."

AAC
Pacific: Hawaii, San Diego St, San Jose St, Fresno St, UNLV, Nevada
Mountain: Boise St, Utah St, BYU, Wyoming, Colorado St, Air Force
Central: New Mexico, SMU, TCU, Baylor, Tulsa, Kansas St
Metro: Houston, Tulane, Memphis, Louisville, Cincinnati, Navy
Atlantic: Central Florida, South Florida, East Carolina, Wake Forest, Temple, Connecticut

The PAC, falling behind, eventually splits. Colorado, Utah, Arizona, and Arizona St find a home in the SEC while USC, UCLA, California, Stanford, Washington, Washington St, Oregon, and Oregon St end up in the B1G.

All of that to say, none of this will ever, ever happen.

(10-05-2017 09:54 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I can see the combo of Virginia/North Carolina/Duke ending up in either the SEC or B1G. I initially believed the B1G, because of academics and Maryland, but I think the SEC seems more likely for various reasons. I don't believe North Carolina St, Wake Forest, and Virginia Tech find homes with the other 3. North Carolina St and Virginia Tech seem destined for something better and that would be the B1G. Wake Forest is out of luck.

Georgia Tech had its SEC run and I could see them heading to the B1G. I could see a similar decision by Miami because Florida St and Clemson would likely find a home in the SEC. I don't think the SEC takes both Florida St and Miami, and Miami has good academics. It would also expand the B1G footprint which I think they want.

Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St could end up in the SEC. Kansas could easily find its way in the B1G.

To secure Notre Dame, and I think it could happen, the B1G would take in more Eastern schools to give Notre Dame a divisional home. Let's say Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Boston College. B1G passes over West Virginia who finds a home to round out the SEC. B1G considers Connecticut but goes with Iowa St.

B1G mia gt ncst vt ks pitt syr bc nd iast

SEC
West: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Arkansas, Missouri
South: Texas A&M, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Alabama, Vanderbilt
East: Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Florida St, South Carolina, Clemson
North: Tennessee, Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke, Virginia, West Virginia

B1G
West: Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa St, Minnesota, Wisconsin
North: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St
East: Northwestern, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College
South: Miami, Georgia Tech, North Carolina St, Virginia Tech, Maryland, Penn St

- I put Northwestern into the "East" division because they are a private school and in/near a major city which fits the demographics of that division.

That leaves TCU, Baylor, Kansas St, Wake Forest, and Louisville. Those 5 + AAC + MWC + BYU would form a solid 30-school "conference."

AAC
Pacific: Hawaii, San Diego St, San Jose St, Fresno St, UNLV, Nevada
Mountain: Boise St, Utah St, BYU, Wyoming, Colorado St, Air Force
Central: New Mexico, SMU, TCU, Baylor, Tulsa, Kansas St
Metro: Houston, Tulane, Memphis, Louisville, Cincinnati, Navy
Atlantic: Central Florida, South Florida, East Carolina, Wake Forest, Temple, Connecticut

The PAC, falling behind, eventually splits. Colorado, Utah, Arizona, and Arizona St find a home in the SEC while USC, UCLA, California, Stanford, Washington, Washington St, Oregon, and Oregon St end up in the B1G.

All of that to say, none of this will ever, ever happen.

The SEC / B1G alignments have possibilities.

(10-05-2017 09:54 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  B1G
West: Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa St, Minnesota, Wisconsin
North: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St
East: Northwestern, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College
South: Miami, Georgia Tech, North Carolina St, Virginia Tech, Maryland, Penn St

Anticipated GT season ticket sales: 4. Not thousand, I mean the Saltertons from Michigan class of '78.

(10-05-2017 02:54 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 09:54 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  B1G
West: Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa St, Minnesota, Wisconsin
North: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St
East: Northwestern, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College
South: Miami, Georgia Tech, North Carolina St, Virginia Tech, Maryland, Penn St

Anticipated GT season ticket sales: 4. Not thousand, I mean the Saltertons from Michigan class of '78.

No doubt it would have an initial impact. However, would there really be no interest in this schedule which would be a real possibility (home games bolded):

Miami
North Carolina St
Virginia Tech
Maryland
Penn St
Notre Dame
Michigan
Syracuse
Illinois
Nebraska
Florida St
Georgia

I have to agree that Georgia Tech sales would be poor with a B1G schedule even if there were a handful of regional teams.

If the ACC falls apart then they belong in the SEC. Plenty of regional match-ups that would fill up Bobby Dodd on a regular basis.

(10-05-2017 03:29 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 02:54 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 09:54 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  B1G
West: Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa St, Minnesota, Wisconsin
North: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St
East: Northwestern, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College
South: Miami, Georgia Tech, North Carolina St, Virginia Tech, Maryland, Penn St

Anticipated GT season ticket sales: 4. Not thousand, I mean the Saltertons from Michigan class of '78.

No doubt it would have an initial impact. However, would there really be no interest in this schedule which would be a real possibility (home games bolded):

Miami
North Carolina St
Virginia Tech
Maryland
Penn St
Notre Dame
Michigan
Syracuse
Illinois
Nebraska
Florida St
Georgia

Four games that actually move the needle all year, and two of them are out of conference (UGA, FSU) and two of them won't happen annually (FSU, ND). There is literally no way in hell I can even imagine Todd Stansbury agreeing to this.