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BTM:

"LHN keeps declining. Distribution keeps dwindling. DirectTV just blew out its knee caps with distribution changes"

"Texas & ESPN are in a general agreement LHN won't exist past 2025. Life span may be shorter, but not longer"

"Quite evident. No belief in LHN long term. It's not being fed. No new investments in LHN. No installation behind walls."

"LHN status of "dead horse" is significant for realignment. It's gives some oxygen for UT to stay in Big 12, but not much."

"More true now than ever Texas acknowledges internally Oklahoma's future is in changing its conference affiliation."

"Oklahoma's decision on President will signify change. The forces of change in Norman have won the day"


Nothing earth shattering, but BTM thinks OU is ready to leave, ESPN looking at ways to make LHN financially feasible or move on from it and still make Texas whole. I would think Espn would have a major influence on UT's decision.
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(09-26-2017 01:57 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  Greg Flugaur @flugempire
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Sep 24
BTM:

"LHN keeps declining. Distribution keeps dwindling. DirectTV just blew out its knee caps with distribution changes"

"Texas & ESPN are in a general agreement LHN won't exist past 2025. Life span may be shorter, but not longer"

"Quite evident. No belief in LHN long term. It's not being fed. No new investments in LHN. No installation behind walls."

"LHN status of "dead horse" is significant for realignment. It's gives some oxygen for UT to stay in Big 12, but not much."

"More true now than ever Texas acknowledges internally Oklahoma's future is in changing its conference affiliation."

"Oklahoma's decision on President will signify change. The forces of change in Norman have won the day"


Nothing earth shattering, but BTM thinks OU is ready to leave, ESPN looking at ways to make LHN financially feasible or move on from it and still make Texas whole. I would think Espn would have a major influence on UT's decision.

I wouldn't be surprised it the SEC landed Texas and another (West Virginia, Texas Tech, etc.) and Kansas and Oklahoma went to the Big 10, or if Oklahoma and Oklahoma State come to the SEC and Texas is used for ESPN's acquisition of the PACN. Literally anything could happen. I expect whatever happens to happen between 2019 with the debut of the ACCN, and 2021. If we wait until 2023 then Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC is possible. It would be after all the most economical way for ESPN to bow out of the Big 12. Texas & OU to the SEC. Notre Dame and West Virginia to the ACC. Take three of the top 5 Big 12 brands and throw the other 7 to FOX or whomever.
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(09-26-2017 02:05 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 01:57 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  Greg Flugaur @flugempire
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Sep 24
BTM:

"LHN keeps declining. Distribution keeps dwindling. DirectTV just blew out its knee caps with distribution changes"

"Texas & ESPN are in a general agreement LHN won't exist past 2025. Life span may be shorter, but not longer"

"Quite evident. No belief in LHN long term. It's not being fed. No new investments in LHN. No installation behind walls."

"LHN status of "dead horse" is significant for realignment. It's gives some oxygen for UT to stay in Big 12, but not much."

"More true now than ever Texas acknowledges internally Oklahoma's future is in changing its conference affiliation."

"Oklahoma's decision on President will signify change. The forces of change in Norman have won the day"


Nothing earth shattering, but BTM thinks OU is ready to leave, ESPN looking at ways to make LHN financially feasible or move on from it and still make Texas whole. I would think Espn would have a major influence on UT's decision.

I wouldn't be surprised it the SEC landed Texas and another (West Virginia, Texas Tech, etc.) and Kansas and Oklahoma went to the Big 10, or if Oklahoma and Oklahoma State come to the SEC and Texas is used for ESPN's acquisition of the PACN. Literally anything could happen. I expect whatever happens to happen between 2019 with the debut of the ACCN, and 2021. If we wait until 2023 then Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC is possible. It would be after all the most economical way for ESPN to bow out of the Big 12. Texas & OU to the SEC. Notre Dame and West Virginia to the ACC. Take three of the top 5 Big 12 brands and throw the other 7 to FOX or whomever.

16 team conferences is hard to schedule with current NCAA rules. Do you think a vote would pass to open things up or would large conferences just decide to ignore certain rules?
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(09-26-2017 02:29 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 02:05 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 01:57 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  Greg Flugaur @flugempire
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Sep 24
BTM:

"LHN keeps declining. Distribution keeps dwindling. DirectTV just blew out its knee caps with distribution changes"

"Texas & ESPN are in a general agreement LHN won't exist past 2025. Life span may be shorter, but not longer"

"Quite evident. No belief in LHN long term. It's not being fed. No new investments in LHN. No installation behind walls."

"LHN status of "dead horse" is significant for realignment. It's gives some oxygen for UT to stay in Big 12, but not much."

"More true now than ever Texas acknowledges internally Oklahoma's future is in changing its conference affiliation."

"Oklahoma's decision on President will signify change. The forces of change in Norman have won the day"


Nothing earth shattering, but BTM thinks OU is ready to leave, ESPN looking at ways to make LHN financially feasible or move on from it and still make Texas whole. I would think Espn would have a major influence on UT's decision.

I wouldn't be surprised it the SEC landed Texas and another (West Virginia, Texas Tech, etc.) and Kansas and Oklahoma went to the Big 10, or if Oklahoma and Oklahoma State come to the SEC and Texas is used for ESPN's acquisition of the PACN. Literally anything could happen. I expect whatever happens to happen between 2019 with the debut of the ACCN, and 2021. If we wait until 2023 then Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC is possible. It would be after all the most economical way for ESPN to bow out of the Big 12. Texas & OU to the SEC. Notre Dame and West Virginia to the ACC. Take three of the top 5 Big 12 brands and throw the other 7 to FOX or whomever.

16 team conferences is hard to schedule with current NCAA rules. Do you think a vote would pass to open things up or would large conferences just decide to ignore certain rules?

If we all had the same need for rule changes it would be easily accomplished. Plus if the networks are paying for the moves they won't interrupt the structure process required.
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OT: I was searching the web for an old frank Broyles realignment article with Big 8 details and stumbled on this gem:

The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette recounts former Arkansas Gov. Mike Beebe, in 2011, taking a call from U.S. Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia. Manchin “wanted to know if I knew Frank Broyles very well,” Beebe said, according to the newspaper. When Beebe said he happened to be riding in the same golf cart with Broyles, Manchin asked him to let Broyles know the University of West Virginia wanted into the SEC.
“I mentioned it to coach,” Beebe said, according to the newspaper. “And coach said, ‘Uh, we’re going to take Missouri.’”


https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday....569959001/
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(09-26-2017 03:49 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  OT: I was searching the web for an old frank Broyles realignment article with Big 8 details and stumbled on this gem:

The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette recounts former Arkansas Gov. Mike Beebe, in 2011, taking a call from U.S. Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia. Manchin “wanted to know if I knew Frank Broyles very well,” Beebe said, according to the newspaper. When Beebe said he happened to be riding in the same golf cart with Broyles, Manchin asked him to let Broyles know the University of West Virginia wanted into the SEC.
“I mentioned it to coach,” Beebe said, according to the newspaper. “And coach said, ‘Uh, we’re going to take Missouri.’”


https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday....569959001/

Part of me wants WVU in the fold. I think they would fit into the SEC very well and would make for an interesting rival in that part of the country.

The prizes have to be UT and OU though so I don't know that WVU fits into the plans economically.

Could do this though...

Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and West Virginia

I hesitate to say that TCU would be necessary to land UT. I don't think they necessarily would be, but TCU should pay off content wise especially in that region of the country. WVU would do the same in their region.

The question would be...do we really want 4 TX schools especially with all the ancillary access we get from border programs? Well, do we really even want 3? I go back to an old argument I made. The state of TX is not only huge, it is still growing and diversifying. I don't think saturating it and dominating the market would be a bad thing in the long run even if the money in the short term seems like it would be divided too many ways.

The top 4 schools in CA belong to one league and I see these 4 TX schools as the top 4 in their respective state. As massive as the state is, I don't think we'd regret controlling it in the same way the PAC controls CA.
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(09-26-2017 05:06 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 03:49 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  OT: I was searching the web for an old frank Broyles realignment article with Big 8 details and stumbled on this gem:

The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette recounts former Arkansas Gov. Mike Beebe, in 2011, taking a call from U.S. Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia. Manchin “wanted to know if I knew Frank Broyles very well,” Beebe said, according to the newspaper. When Beebe said he happened to be riding in the same golf cart with Broyles, Manchin asked him to let Broyles know the University of West Virginia wanted into the SEC.
“I mentioned it to coach,” Beebe said, according to the newspaper. “And coach said, ‘Uh, we’re going to take Missouri.’”


https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday....569959001/

Part of me wants WVU in the fold. I think they would fit into the SEC very well and would make for an interesting rival in that part of the country.

The prizes have to be UT and OU though so I don't know that WVU fits into the plans economically.

Could do this though...

Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and West Virginia

I hesitate to say that TCU would be necessary to land UT. I don't think they necessarily would be, but TCU should pay off content wise especially in that region of the country. WVU would do the same in their region.

The question would be...do we really want 4 TX schools especially with all the ancillary access we get from border programs? Well, do we really even want 3? I go back to an old argument I made. The state of TX is not only huge, it is still growing and diversifying. I don't think saturating it and dominating the market would be a bad thing in the long run even if the money in the short term seems like it would be divided too many ways.

The top 4 schools in CA belong to one league and I see these 4 TX schools as the top 4 in their respective state. As massive as the state is, I don't think we'd regret controlling it in the same way the PAC controls CA.

That would be too much saturation in Texas. I still say if the SEC could land OU at the 15 spot by themselves, just sit back and see who calls. That is going to be one very lucrative spot, and I'm betting we'll get a nibble from a Big fish from outside the Big 12.
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None of this is implausible, and if accurate, I wonder if we will see a PAC vs. ACC bidding war for Texas.

ACC: Come join us and you can bring a friend.
PAC: Come join us and you can bring along three friends.
ACC: Come join us and you can bring a friend and be independent with a five game schedule.
PAC: Come join us and you can bring along three friends and be independent with a five game schedule.
ACC: Come join us, bring a friend, be independent, and be eligible for our bowls.

Big 10: Come join us if you want to be part of an academic elite.

SEC: Come join us if you want. Hey, OK, want to bring State along?
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(09-26-2017 09:04 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  None of this is implausible, and if accurate, I wonder if we will see a PAC vs. ACC bidding war for Texas.

ACC: Come join us and you can bring a friend.
PAC: Come join us and you can bring along three friends.
ACC: Come join us and you can bring a friend and be independent with a five game schedule.
PAC: Come join us and you can bring along three friends and be independent with a five game schedule.
ACC: Come join us, bring a friend, be independent, and be eligible for our bowls.

Big 10: Come join us if you want to be part of an academic elite.

SEC: Come join us if you want. Hey, OK, want to bring State along?

That's not too far fetched. Check your WSJ listing of valuations. The SEC was worth 7 Billion according to the WSJ. The PAC was worth 3 and the ACC worth 2 billion respectively. The Big 10 was worth 5.5 billion.

Now for those who want lesser brands all I ask is why? We are the Rolls Royce as compared to the Big 10's top of the line Detroit Cadillac. While the hippies out west are in a Vintage Volkswagen Bus complete with flower decals, and the ACC is sporting a Hyundai.

All we need to do is land Oklahoma. Then Texas is free to cut its nose off to spite its face if they desire to do so, or to throw in with us.

Should the SEC ever land Oklahoma and Texas I wouldn't rule out expansion to 20 with brands from the East in 2035. The financial impact of the SEC would be enormous at that point. In fact I would say overwhelming.

Look at Harbaugh's remarks about Purdue's facilities. That seed could eventually grow into division in the Big 10 where 6 or 7 schools make the cash for the other 7 or 8. There are many forces at play and most of them are financial in nature. The PAC is located in some of the highest cost of living places in the U.S. and yet their income for sports lags significantly. The ACC is partially in the other highest area for cost of living at the Northern end and they trail by even more. And the Big 10 which also shares a percentage of gate is showing some cracks in the foundation between those who invest in their product and those who tag along for a check.

When playing bigger names more frequently becomes the move that makes the most cash, and in a streaming world it will, then the crack in the Big 10 will result eventually in a split.

But lest we think that the SEC is immune to such we had better think again. Vanderbilt's facilities while up to date are small and they don't compete in all of our sports. Missouri isn't fully integrated. Arkansas has been neglected but will be fine if we land OU or UT. And what we don't think about often is that Florida is gradually becoming alien corn. The state continues to swell with snowbirds and now their descendants which means culturally speaking they are growing apart from the mainline SEC schools. Financially they see no other option that the SEC. But just 40 years ago they were essentially just like us. Now they are not. So we too have some cracks in the foundation.

But for all of that we seem to forget too soon just how far ahead of even our closest rival we really are. We are 16 million per school average in Gross Revenue ahead of the Big 10. We have uniformed standards in facilities. We are valued 1.5 Billion dollars in valuation higher than the Big 10. Outside of the SECN we don't have a GOR because we've never needed one. We have the most loyal and rabid fan bases in the nation. And we win, not as much the past couple of years, but we win at a frequency that makes the rest of them despise us.
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I'd love to add West Virginia and Texas.

Oklahoma and Kansas make more sense in the Big Ten West.

TCU, Tech, Baylor, Iowa State, Oklahoma St, and Kansas St will have to manage.
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(09-26-2017 02:05 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 01:57 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  Greg Flugaur @flugempire
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Sep 24
BTM:

"LHN keeps declining. Distribution keeps dwindling. DirectTV just blew out its knee caps with distribution changes"

"Texas & ESPN are in a general agreement LHN won't exist past 2025. Life span may be shorter, but not longer"

"Quite evident. No belief in LHN long term. It's not being fed. No new investments in LHN. No installation behind walls."

"LHN status of "dead horse" is significant for realignment. It's gives some oxygen for UT to stay in Big 12, but not much."

"More true now than ever Texas acknowledges internally Oklahoma's future is in changing its conference affiliation."

"Oklahoma's decision on President will signify change. The forces of change in Norman have won the day"


Nothing earth shattering, but BTM thinks OU is ready to leave, ESPN looking at ways to make LHN financially feasible or move on from it and still make Texas whole. I would think Espn would have a major influence on UT's decision.

I wouldn't be surprised it the SEC landed Texas and another (West Virginia, Texas Tech, etc d Kansas and Oklahoma went to the Big 10, or if Oklahoma and Oklahoma State come to the SEC and Texas is used for ESPN's acquisition of the PACN. Literally anything could happen. I expect whatever happens to happen between 2019 with the debut of the ACCN, and 2021. If we wait until 2023 then Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC is possible. It would be after all the most economical way for ESPN to bow out of the Big 12. Texas & OU to the SEC. Notre Dame and and West Virginia to the ACC. Take three of the top 5 Big 12 brands and throw the other 7 to FOX or whomever.

The PAC has paired networks. ESPN has contracts with Texas and Kansas for tier 3. That's a possibility.
Would Texas and Kansas buy ESPN permanent access to the B1G? Was Frank the Tank right all along?
Will the SEC really feel the need to take a second Florida school?
Will the basketball situation have an effect on realignment? Louisville kicked out?
Will Presidents take back their athletic departments? Shrinkage?
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(09-29-2017 04:49 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 02:05 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 01:57 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  Greg Flugaur @flugempire
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Sep 24
BTM:

"LHN keeps declining. Distribution keeps dwindling. DirectTV just blew out its knee caps with distribution changes"

"Texas & ESPN are in a general agreement LHN won't exist past 2025. Life span may be shorter, but not longer"

"Quite evident. No belief in LHN long term. It's not being fed. No new investments in LHN. No installation behind walls."

"LHN status of "dead horse" is significant for realignment. It's gives some oxygen for UT to stay in Big 12, but not much."

"More true now than ever Texas acknowledges internally Oklahoma's future is in changing its conference affiliation."

"Oklahoma's decision on President will signify change. The forces of change in Norman have won the day"


Nothing earth shattering, but BTM thinks OU is ready to leave, ESPN looking at ways to make LHN financially feasible or move on from it and still make Texas whole. I would think Espn would have a major influence on UT's decision.

I wouldn't be surprised it the SEC landed Texas and another (West Virginia, Texas Tech, etc d Kansas and Oklahoma went to the Big 10, or if Oklahoma and Oklahoma State come to the SEC and Texas is used for ESPN's acquisition of the PACN. Literally anything could happen. I expect whatever happens to happen between 2019 with the debut of the ACCN, and 2021. If we wait until 2023 then Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC is possible. It would be after all the most economical way for ESPN to bow out of the Big 12. Texas & OU to the SEC. Notre Dame and and West Virginia to the ACC. Take three of the top 5 Big 12 brands and throw the other 7 to FOX or whomever.

The PAC has paired networks. ESPN has contracts with Texas and Kansas for tier 3. That's a possibility.
Would Texas and Kansas buy ESPN permanent access to the B1G? Was Frank the Tank right all along?
Will the SEC really feel the need to take a second Florida school?
Will the basketball situation have an effect on realignment? Louisville kicked out?
Will Presidents take back their athletic departments? Shrinkage?

Find out next time on Dragonball Z
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