(09-20-2017 07:21 PM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 06:43 PM)_x_ Wrote:  Nobody said that. He said Appalachian State is better than utsa. And nothing more.

Yep.

UTSA is 13-24 the last 3 years.
APP is 28-10 in the last 3 years.

UTSA was 6-7 last season with one bowl loss.
APP went 10-3 last year and 11-2 the year before with two straight bowl wins in their first two years of bowl eligibility.

Until UTSA proves otherwise, all evidence points to APP being the superior team

Ok buddy. I'm not going to entertain the idea if App is or isn't better than UTSA because there really isn't a way to measure it until this weekend. But also why would you use records from the last 3 years to determine current performance levels? So your logic says that if your previous season records are wins, then you stay winning? And vice versa? You might want to think that through. Then how does App look after winning by a small margin to TXST that went 2-12 last year and is currently still in the bottom 25 teams in college football? Your logic says that TXST will stay at the bottom.
Anyways, good luck to you on Saturday and try not deter the post away from this match up. Oh and btw, This is only UTSA's 7th season in existence. How long has TXST been around? Lol yup.

(09-20-2017 08:39 PM)Free bird Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 07:21 PM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 06:43 PM)_x_ Wrote:  Nobody said that. He said Appalachian State is better than utsa. And nothing more.

Yep.

UTSA is 13-24 the last 3 years.
APP is 28-10 in the last 3 years.

UTSA was 6-7 last season with one bowl loss.
APP went 10-3 last year and 11-2 the year before with two straight bowl wins in their first two years of bowl eligibility.

Until UTSA proves otherwise, all evidence points to APP being the superior team

Ok buddy. I'm not going to entertain the idea if App is or isn't better than UTSA because there really isn't a way to measure it until this weekend. But also why would you use records from the last 3 years to determine current performance levels? So your logic says that if your previous season records are wins, then you stay winning? And vice versa? You might want to think that through. Then how does App look after winning by a small margin to TXST that went 2-12 last year and is currently still in the bottom 25 teams in college football? Your logic says that TXST will stay at the bottom.
Anyways, good luck to you on Saturday and try not deter the post away from this match up. Oh and btw, This is only UTSA's 7th season in existence. How long has TXST been around? Lol yup.

If you love transitive properties, you'll love this website. http://www.myteamisbetterthanyourteam.com/tpncabout.asp

The transitive property doesnt work in college football so this weekend doesnt necessarily reveal anything.

The meaning of APPs performance against us might be more clearly defined after another week or two..

What is clear is that APP is a consistent winner year in and year out. UTSA has not established that yet.

UTSA may be improving... But you havent accomplished what APP has. Im sorry if that offends you but it is the truth.

(09-20-2017 08:49 PM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote:  The transitive property doesnt work in college football so this weekend doesnt necessarily reveal anything.

The meaning of APPs performance against us might be more clearly defined after another week or two..

What is clear is that APP is a consistent winner year in and year out. UTSA has not established that yet.

UTSA may be improving... But you havent accomplished what APP has. Im sorry if that offends you but it is the truth.

Nope I don't take offense to this at all. I now understand your definition of "better". You are using past season records for your definition and I'm using current performance. So yes, App has a better history of winning than The 7 years UTSA has been playing football. We will get there soon and are on the fast track as you have noticed. We will defiantly see how things turn out the next few weeks, but for now...
https://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaaf/cbs-poll?irgwc=1

Current performance?
You do realize there are between 75 to 90 fbs teams that could probably beat baylor and at least a dozen fcs teams better than liberty?

3 games in... What else can you go on other than UTSA hasnt had a winning season in years and APP has had a winning season every season since moving to FBS.

Going by current performance... What has UTSA done yet to prove they even belong in the same conversation as APP?

Rivalry quick fact:


For anyone who's curious #TXST holds a 214-160-2 record against #UTSA in all sports (football, soccer, MBB, WBB, Vball, baseball & softball)

(09-20-2017 11:14 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Rivalry quick fact:


For anyone who's curious #TXST holds a 214-160-2 record against #UTSA in all sports (football, soccer, MBB, WBB, Vball, baseball & softball)

You forgot to mention that Texas State already had an athletics program for about 70 years by the time UTSA even started ours. And regarding this thread, the only record that matters is UTSA - 1, TXST - 0.

(09-20-2017 11:45 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:14 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Rivalry quick fact:


For anyone who's curious #TXST holds a 214-160-2 record against #UTSA in all sports (football, soccer, MBB, WBB, Vball, baseball & softball)

You forgot to mention that Texas State already had an athletics program for about 70 years by the time UTSA even started ours. And regarding this thread, the only record that matters is UTSA - 1, TXST - 0.

Um, yeah, but we didn't play you until we were both in the SLC and we didn't have some of those sports until the late 80's.

It's just a fun fact ok? We had the I35 rivalry way before you got football. Calm down and just have fun with it.

Besides, football isn't a real football rivalry yet; while the others are. 1 game does not a football rivalry make. Give it about a decade.

(09-21-2017 12:23 AM)CatMom Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:45 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:14 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Rivalry quick fact:


For anyone who's curious #TXST holds a 214-160-2 record against #UTSA in all sports (football, soccer, MBB, WBB, Vball, baseball & softball)

You forgot to mention that Texas State already had an athletics program for about 70 years by the time UTSA even started ours. And regarding this thread, the only record that matters is UTSA - 1, TXST - 0.

Um, yeah, but we didn't play you until we were both in the SLC and we didn't have some of those sports until the late 80's.

It's just a fun fact ok? We had the I35 rivalry way before you got football. Calm down and just have fun with it.

Besides, football isn't a real football rivalry yet; while the others are. 1 game does not a football rivalry make. Give it about a decade.

Calm down? lol You imparted facts, and I did the same. Let's at least admit that getting a 7-decade-long head start gives you a pretty healthy advantage in money for coaches, infrastructure, and recruiting, to name a few. Well, besides football anyway since we beat your 100+ year football program in just our second season.

And I beg to differ on football not being a rivalry yet. There's a reason there were 39K fans in the Alamodome for that first meeting between our schools, just as there's a reason for all the smack talk that occurred between our fan bases prior to that game. That history between our schools in other sports carried over into football without even skipping a beat. Some of your fan base are just trying to downplay that because in the one sport that really matters to most Texans, you lost.

(09-21-2017 12:47 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 12:23 AM)CatMom Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:45 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:14 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Rivalry quick fact:


For anyone who's curious #TXST holds a 214-160-2 record against #UTSA in all sports (football, soccer, MBB, WBB, Vball, baseball & softball)

You forgot to mention that Texas State already had an athletics program for about 70 years by the time UTSA even started ours. And regarding this thread, the only record that matters is UTSA - 1, TXST - 0.

Um, yeah, but we didn't play you until we were both in the SLC and we didn't have some of those sports until the late 80's.

It's just a fun fact ok? We had the I35 rivalry way before you got football. Calm down and just have fun with it.

Besides, football isn't a real football rivalry yet; while the others are. 1 game does not a football rivalry make. Give it about a decade.

Calm down? lol You imparted facts, and I did the same. Let's at least admit that getting a 7-decade-long head start gives you a pretty healthy advantage in money for coaches, infrastructure, and recruiting, to name a few. Well, besides football anyway since we beat your 100+ year football program in just our second season.

And I beg to differ on football not being a rivalry yet. There's a reason there were 39K fans in the Alamodome for that first meeting between our schools, just as there's a reason for all the smack talk that occurred between our fan bases prior to that game. That history between our schools in other sports carried over into football without even skipping a beat. Some of your fan base are just trying to downplay that because in the one sport that really matters to most Texans, you lost.

You seem like the kind of person who whacks off to a recording of his own voice.

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(09-21-2017 12:47 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 12:23 AM)CatMom Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:45 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:14 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Rivalry quick fact:


For anyone who's curious #TXST holds a 214-160-2 record against #UTSA in all sports (football, soccer, MBB, WBB, Vball, baseball & softball)

You forgot to mention that Texas State already had an athletics program for about 70 years by the time UTSA even started ours. And regarding this thread, the only record that matters is UTSA - 1, TXST - 0.

Um, yeah, but we didn't play you until we were both in the SLC and we didn't have some of those sports until the late 80's.

It's just a fun fact ok? We had the I35 rivalry way before you got football. Calm down and just have fun with it.

Besides, football isn't a real football rivalry yet; while the others are. 1 game does not a football rivalry make. Give it about a decade.

Calm down? lol You imparted facts, and I did the same. Let's at least admit that getting a 7-decade-long head start gives you a pretty healthy advantage in money for coaches, infrastructure, and recruiting, to name a few. Well, besides football anyway since we beat your 100+ year football program in just our second season.

And I beg to differ on football not being a rivalry yet. There's a reason there were 39K fans in the Alamodome for that first meeting between our schools, just as there's a reason for all the smack talk that occurred between our fan bases prior to that game. That history between our schools in other sports carried over into football without even skipping a beat. Some of your fan base are just trying to downplay that because in the one sport that really matters to most Texans, you lost.

You seem like the kind of person who whacks off to a recording of his own voice.

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(09-21-2017 04:31 AM)ThaGinga Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 12:47 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 12:23 AM)CatMom Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:45 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:14 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Rivalry quick fact:


For anyone who's curious #TXST holds a 214-160-2 record against #UTSA in all sports (football, soccer, MBB, WBB, Vball, baseball & softball)

You forgot to mention that Texas State already had an athletics program for about 70 years by the time UTSA even started ours. And regarding this thread, the only record that matters is UTSA - 1, TXST - 0.

Um, yeah, but we didn't play you until we were both in the SLC and we didn't have some of those sports until the late 80's.

It's just a fun fact ok? We had the I35 rivalry way before you got football. Calm down and just have fun with it.

Besides, football isn't a real football rivalry yet; while the others are. 1 game does not a football rivalry make. Give it about a decade.

Calm down? lol You imparted facts, and I did the same. Let's at least admit that getting a 7-decade-long head start gives you a pretty healthy advantage in money for coaches, infrastructure, and recruiting, to name a few. Well, besides football anyway since we beat your 100+ year football program in just our second season.

And I beg to differ on football not being a rivalry yet. There's a reason there were 39K fans in the Alamodome for that first meeting between our schools, just as there's a reason for all the smack talk that occurred between our fan bases prior to that game. That history between our schools in other sports carried over into football without even skipping a beat. Some of your fan base are just trying to downplay that because in the one sport that really matters to most Texans, you lost.

You seem like the kind of person who whacks off to a recording of his own voice.

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Well, if that were true, I'd be in trouble because I'm a teacher. lol

(09-21-2017 08:44 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 04:31 AM)ThaGinga Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 12:47 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 12:23 AM)CatMom Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:45 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  You forgot to mention that Texas State already had an athletics program for about 70 years by the time UTSA even started ours. And regarding this thread, the only record that matters is UTSA - 1, TXST - 0.

Um, yeah, but we didn't play you until we were both in the SLC and we didn't have some of those sports until the late 80's.

It's just a fun fact ok? We had the I35 rivalry way before you got football. Calm down and just have fun with it.

Besides, football isn't a real football rivalry yet; while the others are. 1 game does not a football rivalry make. Give it about a decade.

Calm down? lol You imparted facts, and I did the same. Let's at least admit that getting a 7-decade-long head start gives you a pretty healthy advantage in money for coaches, infrastructure, and recruiting, to name a few. Well, besides football anyway since we beat your 100+ year football program in just our second season.

And I beg to differ on football not being a rivalry yet. There's a reason there were 39K fans in the Alamodome for that first meeting between our schools, just as there's a reason for all the smack talk that occurred between our fan bases prior to that game. That history between our schools in other sports carried over into football without even skipping a beat. Some of your fan base are just trying to downplay that because in the one sport that really matters to most Texans, you lost.

You seem like the kind of person who whacks off to a recording of his own voice.

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Well, if that were true, I'd be in trouble because I'm a teacher. lol

Clearly you don't teach logic . . .

When CatMom cited our all-time athletic record Vs utsa, you were dismissive of the results claiming that for so many of those years y'all had no athletics program. .

Then you use that same history (you know, the one you were dismissive about) to say it carried over into fueling an instant football rivalry . . as you put it: "...without even skipping a beat."

You see what I mean about logic?

In any event, I wish you a safe and happy trip to San Marvelous, and further hope that your return trip is as depressing as hell . . .

(09-21-2017 09:36 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 08:44 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 04:31 AM)ThaGinga Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 12:47 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 12:23 AM)CatMom Wrote:  Um, yeah, but we didn't play you until we were both in the SLC and we didn't have some of those sports until the late 80's.

It's just a fun fact ok? We had the I35 rivalry way before you got football. Calm down and just have fun with it.

Besides, football isn't a real football rivalry yet; while the others are. 1 game does not a football rivalry make. Give it about a decade.

Calm down? lol You imparted facts, and I did the same. Let's at least admit that getting a 7-decade-long head start gives you a pretty healthy advantage in money for coaches, infrastructure, and recruiting, to name a few. Well, besides football anyway since we beat your 100+ year football program in just our second season.

And I beg to differ on football not being a rivalry yet. There's a reason there were 39K fans in the Alamodome for that first meeting between our schools, just as there's a reason for all the smack talk that occurred between our fan bases prior to that game. That history between our schools in other sports carried over into football without even skipping a beat. Some of your fan base are just trying to downplay that because in the one sport that really matters to most Texans, you lost.

You seem like the kind of person who whacks off to a recording of his own voice.

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Well, if that were true, I'd be in trouble because I'm a teacher. lol

Clearly you don't teach logic . . .

When CatMom cited our all-time athletic record Vs utsa, you were dismissive of the results claiming that for so many of those years y'all had no athletics program. .

Then you use that same history (you know, the one you were dismissive about) to say it carried over into fueling an instant football rivalry . . as you put it: "...without even skipping a beat."

You see what I mean about logic?

In any event, I wish you a safe and happy trip to San Marvelous, and further hope that your return trip is as depressing as hell . . .

I actually teach math, and it's your logic that's flawed here. Yes, Texas State has a head-to-head advantage when you look at the aggregate of our sports. CatMom was entirely correct in that. My reply to her was to explain why, which is to at least a certain extent due to UTSA not even beginning its athletics program until the early 1980's. If you can't understand how a university that's had athletics since 1904 would have an advantage over a university that only started its athletics program in the early 1980's, you're beyond my help.

When we were later in the same conference for so many years, did we develop a rivalry in those sports in spite of our late start? Of course we did. But one has nothing to do with the other. lol There's no flaw in any logic there. And yes, that rivalry we developed in those other sports most certainly carried over into football immediately, whether you guys are willing to acknowledge it or not. It was plain as day in the time leading up to that first game, as well as during the actual contest, and in the meltdown that some of your fan base had after you were beaten by us.

Just noticed the game was left out of the Sun Belt weekly update.

(09-21-2017 11:32 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 09:36 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 08:44 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 04:31 AM)ThaGinga Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 12:47 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  Calm down? lol You imparted facts, and I did the same. Let's at least admit that getting a 7-decade-long head start gives you a pretty healthy advantage in money for coaches, infrastructure, and recruiting, to name a few. Well, besides football anyway since we beat your 100+ year football program in just our second season.

And I beg to differ on football not being a rivalry yet. There's a reason there were 39K fans in the Alamodome for that first meeting between our schools, just as there's a reason for all the smack talk that occurred between our fan bases prior to that game. That history between our schools in other sports carried over into football without even skipping a beat. Some of your fan base are just trying to downplay that because in the one sport that really matters to most Texans, you lost.

You seem like the kind of person who whacks off to a recording of his own voice.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G925A using CSNbbs mobile app

Well, if that were true, I'd be in trouble because I'm a teacher. lol

Clearly you don't teach logic . . .

When CatMom cited our all-time athletic record Vs utsa, you were dismissive of the results claiming that for so many of those years y'all had no athletics program. .

Then you use that same history (you know, the one you were dismissive about) to say it carried over into fueling an instant football rivalry . . as you put it: "...without even skipping a beat."

You see what I mean about logic?

In any event, I wish you a safe and happy trip to San Marvelous, and further hope that your return trip is as depressing as hell . . .

I actually teach math, and it's your logic that's flawed here. Yes, Texas State has a head-to-head advantage when you look at the aggregate of our sports. CatMom was entirely correct in that. My reply to her was to explain why, which is to at least a certain extent due to UTSA not even beginning its athletics program until the early 1980's. If you can't understand how a university that's had athletics since 1904 would have an advantage over a university that only started its athletics program in the early 1980's, you're beyond my help.

When we were later in the same conference for so many years, did we develop a rivalry in those sports in spite of our late start? Of course we did. But one has nothing to do with the other. lol There's no flaw in any logic there. And yes, that rivalry we developed in those other sports most certainly carried over into football immediately, whether you guys are willing to acknowledge it or not. It was plain as day in the time leading up to that first game, as well as during the actual contest, and in the meltdown that some of your fan base had after you were beaten by us.

I see where you're coming from on now . . . You want to crow about the part of the rivalry that suits you, the 1 football game from 5 years ago, and then cry about the part that doesn't, the overall athletics record.

Not our fault you're a "Johnny come Lately" athletics program . . .

. . .and yeah, your logic is still flawed . . By your argument, you shouldn't have won that football game 5 years ago, because of the inherent advantage we had (your words) in coaching, money, recruiting, facilities, age of our program . . yet you still managed a 7 point win.

The same can be said for all those other sports we supposedly had a "head start on."
That is to say, the length of time a program's been around does not necessarily give it any kind of inherent advantage.

(09-21-2017 04:08 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:32 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 09:36 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 08:44 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 04:31 AM)ThaGinga Wrote:  You seem like the kind of person who whacks off to a recording of his own voice.

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Well, if that were true, I'd be in trouble because I'm a teacher. lol

Clearly you don't teach logic . . .

When CatMom cited our all-time athletic record Vs utsa, you were dismissive of the results claiming that for so many of those years y'all had no athletics program. .

Then you use that same history (you know, the one you were dismissive about) to say it carried over into fueling an instant football rivalry . . as you put it: "...without even skipping a beat."

You see what I mean about logic?

In any event, I wish you a safe and happy trip to San Marvelous, and further hope that your return trip is as depressing as hell . . .

I actually teach math, and it's your logic that's flawed here. Yes, Texas State has a head-to-head advantage when you look at the aggregate of our sports. CatMom was entirely correct in that. My reply to her was to explain why, which is to at least a certain extent due to UTSA not even beginning its athletics program until the early 1980's. If you can't understand how a university that's had athletics since 1904 would have an advantage over a university that only started its athletics program in the early 1980's, you're beyond my help.

When we were later in the same conference for so many years, did we develop a rivalry in those sports in spite of our late start? Of course we did. But one has nothing to do with the other. lol There's no flaw in any logic there. And yes, that rivalry we developed in those other sports most certainly carried over into football immediately, whether you guys are willing to acknowledge it or not. It was plain as day in the time leading up to that first game, as well as during the actual contest, and in the meltdown that some of your fan base had after you were beaten by us.

I see where you're coming from on now . . . You want to crow about the part of the rivalry that suits you, the 1 football game from 5 years ago, and then cry about the part that doesn't, the overall athletics record.

Not our fault you're a "Johnny come Lately" athletics program . . .

. . .and yeah, your logic is still flawed . . By your argument, you shouldn't have won that football game 5 years ago, because of the inherent advantage we had (your words) in coaching, money, recruiting, facilities, age of our program . . yet you still managed a 7 point win.

The same can be said for all those other sports we supposedly had a "head start on."
That is to say, the length of time a program's been around does not necessarily give it any kind of inherent advantage.

Lol, if two schools are in the same classification, it most definitely gives one an advantage, unless of course they've squandered most of those years they've already had to get their act together, like your football program.

Yes, your 100+ year-old football program should definitely have beaten a team made up of freshmen and sophomores in its second ever season. The fact that you didn't speaks as much about your futility in football (7 winning seasons in the last 31 years) as it does about our quick rise in the first 3 years of our program. At least your other athletics programs were decent enough to maintain a .572 clip against a school that's about 70 years your junior.

This is always the argument from utsa fans.

1904 or 1960-whatever really doesn't make a difference in 2017. You've been beating that dead horse for 5+ years now. Find something else already.

Sorry 60 years wasn't enough prep time for you guys to beat us in basketball and baseball in the SLC days.

Sorry for the multi post. Phone was acting up this morning.

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(09-21-2017 05:17 PM)_x_ Wrote:  This is always the argument from utsa fans.

1904 or 1960-whatever really doesn't make a difference in 2017. You've been beating that dead horse for 5+ years now. Find something else already.

Sorry 60 years wasn't enough prep time for you guys to beat us in basketball and baseball in the SLC days.

And this is always TXST fans go to arguement. Always bringing up all sports school history wins when we are talking about football. Stick to the topic. Nobody cares about those other sports like they do football. UTSA is undefeated against TXST and that's it. It adds insult to injury knowing that TXST was defeated by a second year program also. Tee hee