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RE: Black Saturday: Wake Forest at Appalachian State
(09-20-2017 01:49 PM)APPrising Wrote:  
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(09-20-2017 07:59 AM)APPrising Wrote:  
(09-19-2017 10:27 PM)T-Dog Wrote:  Satt said tonight that everyone who was dinged against TxSt will be back this weekend. Didn't say anything about Meadors or Evans.

As in was dinged while playing at Texas State or didn't play at Texas State because they were dinged?

At this point, Meadors would be the only addition that we know could help. With Malik and Hennigan playing well, I'm not sure what role Evans would have. I honestly don't want to see someone take targets from Hennigan as he seems to be a very athletic player with good hands. Malik hasn't figured out how to make guys miss yet but he also doesn't drop the ball.

He lined up as a RB some last year. He's also proven his worth as a return man.

You missed my point. What exactly will he do with Hennigan and Williams playing well? If Jalin is injured, i'm all for seeing him as the number 1 running back as I feel that would be where he can best be utilized to create mismatches in the receiving game and in his ability to break tackles; however that would require the offense to evolve.
09-21-2017 11:57 AM
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RE: Black Saturday: Wake Forest at Appalachian State
(09-20-2017 05:00 PM)cashisking884 Wrote:  Wake's D is solid to good. Going to have to stretch the ball vertically in the passing game to open up the run. Not sure the passing game is capable of doing that, or OL is capable of holding their blocks long enough to allow it.

The issue isn't holding blocks. Pass blocking has been good this season however the interior of the line isn't getting off their initial block to get to the second level in the run game. As a result, there has only been room to run off tackle when Taylor keeps the ball on a triple option look.

If the lack of push isn't resolved, App isn't going to be able to run the ball, and can't pass the ball 50 times to win a game.
09-21-2017 11:59 AM
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RE: Black Saturday: Wake Forest at Appalachian State
I don't think there is any way we see Evans playing RB. If Moore is out, Upshaw will be the man at RB and Williams will be his backup. Evans and Meadors will be additional weapons at WR. Right now Hennigan has the attention of opponents and if Meadors returns, he will as well. The more targets we make them account for, the easier it is to spread the defense and get an open man.

I do agree that the OL has to step up and help the running game. Even with an improving passing game, the push has to be there.

I'm hoping we see some misdirection in the plays this week. That is something we really haven't seen this year.
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(09-21-2017 12:49 PM)Yosef84 Wrote:  I don't think there is any way we see Evans playing RB. If Moore is out, Upshaw will be the man at RB and Williams will be his backup. Evans and Meadors will be additional weapons at WR. Right now Hennigan has the attention of opponents and if Meadors returns, he will as well. The more targets we make them account for, the easier it is to spread the defense and get an open man.

I do agree that the OL has to step up and help the running game. Even with an improving passing game, the push has to be there.

I'm hoping we see some misdirection in the plays this week. That is something we really haven't seen this year.

The why, as in, why haven't we seen it if it's been so effective in the past? I believe its because the center is a freshman and directing protections and/or athleticism to pull and the strength to get up to the second level to get hats on linebackers aren't there.

There has to be a reason why it hasn't been utilized as Jalin seems to be more shifty and quicker laterally than Cox is.

Evans should help, but I don't really want to see Hennigan with reduced snaps for Evans as I feel they both can contribute. Meadors is a good receiver but Hennigan and Evans seem as if they can provide options Meadors cannot; as in running the quick sltants, outs, digs, 9's, spider Y banana, etc.
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RE: Black Saturday: Wake Forest at Appalachian State
Hennigan and Evans play two different WR positions. Evans would take snaps away from Malik which has been impressive as well.
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Have we even seen 2 RBs in on the same play yet this year?

Again to me, Evans may have to play some RB if he gets back soon.
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(09-21-2017 03:23 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Hennigan and Evans play two different WR positions. Evans would take snaps away from Malik which has been impressive as well.

Evans could play on the outside as well, likely depending on the play call. It doesn't make sense to limit a play maker with the ability to play any receiver position to one specific place on the field. Line him up out wide, in the slot, h-back, running back, wherever you can to get a solid match-up. I like Hennigan on the outside but he seems that he could play anywhere in the formation as well, based on his route running ability and stick um's.

I suppose no one else is worried about why the running game hasn't been as effective this season?
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(09-21-2017 04:02 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 03:23 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Hennigan and Evans play two different WR positions. Evans would take snaps away from Malik which has been impressive as well.

Evans could play on the outside as well, likely depending on the play call. It doesn't make sense to limit a play maker with the ability to play any receiver position to one specific place on the field. Line him up out wide, in the slot, h-back, running back, wherever you can to get a solid match-up. I like Hennigan on the outside but he seems that he could play anywhere in the formation as well, based on his route running ability and stick um's.

I suppose no one else is worried about why the running game hasn't been as effective this season?

I think it may have a bit to do with facing two of the top 12 rushing defenses in the country. Taking FCS games out of the picture: Georgia held Notre Dame to 55 yards on the ground at 1.4 YPC, as opposed to holding us to 136 yards at 4.3 YPC. Texas State held Colorado to 91 yards at 2.2 YPC, as opposed to holding us to 116 yards at 4 YPC.
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(09-21-2017 05:04 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 04:02 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 03:23 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Hennigan and Evans play two different WR positions. Evans would take snaps away from Malik which has been impressive as well.

Evans could play on the outside as well, likely depending on the play call. It doesn't make sense to limit a play maker with the ability to play any receiver position to one specific place on the field. Line him up out wide, in the slot, h-back, running back, wherever you can to get a solid match-up. I like Hennigan on the outside but he seems that he could play anywhere in the formation as well, based on his route running ability and stick um's.

I suppose no one else is worried about why the running game hasn't been as effective this season?

I think it may have a bit to do with facing two of the top 12 rushing defenses in the country. Taking FCS games out of the picture: Georgia held Notre Dame to 55 yards on the ground at 1.4 YPC, as opposed to holding us to 136 yards at 4.3 YPC. Texas State held Colorado to 91 yards at 2.2 YPC, as opposed to holding us to 116 yards at 4 YPC.

You would still expect a run first team to put up more consistency. Lamb is the teams leading rusher right now and that is a problem. He also likely skews the numbers (don't have time to research) in favor of more rushing totals, even though he is used on designed runs very little.

The inconsistency is what isn't so great. App has been in more situations of 3rd and long in three games this season than I remember seeing much last season.
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RE: Black Saturday: Wake Forest at Appalachian State
Much like you don't mix guards and tackles on the oline you don't mix WR positions, this isn't as pick up game in the backyard.
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(09-21-2017 04:02 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 03:23 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Hennigan and Evans play two different WR positions. Evans would take snaps away from Malik which has been impressive as well.

Evans could play on the outside as well, likely depending on the play call. It doesn't make sense to limit a play maker with the ability to play any receiver position to one specific place on the field. Line him up out wide, in the slot, h-back, running back, wherever you can to get a solid match-up. I like Hennigan on the outside but he seems that he could play anywhere in the formation as well, based on his route running ability and stick um's.

I suppose no one else is worried about why the running game hasn't been as effective this season?

Sounds to me like EVERYONE has concerns about the running game. You've offered good analysis / thoughts on the cause, but I think the problem is that it is hard to get a good comparative feel because of the opponents we've played. I'm hoping that things gel (OL) and the game plan is creative. I guess we'll find out tomorrow.
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Good luck App. A win here would go a long way in getting y'all ranked. I saw you have a couple votes already in the coaches poll.
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(09-22-2017 10:01 AM)Yosef84 Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 04:02 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 03:23 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Hennigan and Evans play two different WR positions. Evans would take snaps away from Malik which has been impressive as well.

Evans could play on the outside as well, likely depending on the play call. It doesn't make sense to limit a play maker with the ability to play any receiver position to one specific place on the field. Line him up out wide, in the slot, h-back, running back, wherever you can to get a solid match-up. I like Hennigan on the outside but he seems that he could play anywhere in the formation as well, based on his route running ability and stick um's.

I suppose no one else is worried about why the running game hasn't been as effective this season?

Sounds to me like EVERYONE has concerns about the running game. You've offered good analysis / thoughts on the cause, but I think the problem is that it is hard to get a good comparative feel because of the opponents we've played. I'm hoping that things gel (OL) and the game plan is creative. I guess we'll find out tomorrow.

I wish there was data out there to answer this, but I'd love to see how often defenses were stacking 8 in the box against us. Like, how often do we see 8 in the box vs. the average across college football. We are running the ball less and actually throwing more this season, I just don't know if that's because our running is worse, or we are seeing defenses stack the house on us more.
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(09-22-2017 01:45 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 10:01 AM)Yosef84 Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 04:02 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-21-2017 03:23 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Hennigan and Evans play two different WR positions. Evans would take snaps away from Malik which has been impressive as well.

Evans could play on the outside as well, likely depending on the play call. It doesn't make sense to limit a play maker with the ability to play any receiver position to one specific place on the field. Line him up out wide, in the slot, h-back, running back, wherever you can to get a solid match-up. I like Hennigan on the outside but he seems that he could play anywhere in the formation as well, based on his route running ability and stick um's.

I suppose no one else is worried about why the running game hasn't been as effective this season?

Sounds to me like EVERYONE has concerns about the running game. You've offered good analysis / thoughts on the cause, but I think the problem is that it is hard to get a good comparative feel because of the opponents we've played. I'm hoping that things gel (OL) and the game plan is creative. I guess we'll find out tomorrow.

I wish there was data out there to answer this, but I'd love to see how often defenses were stacking 8 in the box against us. Like, how often do we see 8 in the box vs. the average across college football. We are running the ball less and actually throwing more this season, I just don't know if that's because our running is worse, or we are seeing defenses stack the house on us more.
I think that might be both

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Wake has a STOUT O-line
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WF up early 3-0 but App St has a fantastic crowd today. Needed to see that after watching Idaho/USA
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Jalin Moore sighting
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Are there always temp bleachers or is it just for this game? I like that it hides part of the track. Beautiful views from the stadium.

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TD App St!!! Incredible pass
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