(09-17-2017 06:51 PM)Chappy Wrote:  There is a very high suicide rate among people with gender confusion, and this looks to be suicide by cop.

Exactly what happened in an incident in St. Louis last month, knife and all.

(09-18-2017 12:45 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 11:22 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 08:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 07:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 07:43 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Yeah, the article mentioned the GT police don't have stun guns. Would have come in handy here and saved a life.

You'd think if it's more than 1 cop, they could simply bum-rush this person and take them down. course I wasn't there, who knows.

Mental illness is something else, tough stuff. Hard to "diagnose" from a computer and 1 news story.

"OK guys...we are going to bum rush this dude. At least one, probably more of us is going to get cut up so bad we are going to look like a road map but we're going. On three. One....two.....THREE!"

stop making sense.

So, you missed the "course I wasn't there, who knows" part?!?

Don't most, if not all, of the Cops show up in vests? So now we've got a knife at a gunfight I guess. This guy was more a threat to himself than anyone else there, guess he got his desired outcome.

And you obviously missed the videos I posted showing just how quickly a man armed with a knife can traverse 21 feet and how difficult it is to hit a moving target in a limb. Go take some advanced handgun courses and get back to me with your opinion.

Can't blame the cops based on what we saw in the video.

My question is what happened before that could have changed the outcome?

(09-18-2017 12:45 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 11:22 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 08:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 07:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 07:43 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Yeah, the article mentioned the GT police don't have stun guns. Would have come in handy here and saved a life.

You'd think if it's more than 1 cop, they could simply bum-rush this person and take them down. course I wasn't there, who knows.

Mental illness is something else, tough stuff. Hard to "diagnose" from a computer and 1 news story.

"OK guys...we are going to bum rush this dude. At least one, probably more of us is going to get cut up so bad we are going to look like a road map but we're going. On three. One....two.....THREE!"

stop making sense.

So, you missed the "course I wasn't there, who knows" part?!?

Don't most, if not all, of the Cops show up in vests? So now we've got a knife at a gunfight I guess. This guy was more a threat to himself than anyone else there, guess he got his desired outcome.

Ballistic vests aren't effective against edged weapons, and edged weapons vests aren't effective against bullets because of how they are designed.

(09-18-2017 10:23 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Can't blame the cops based on what we saw in the video.

My question is what happened before that could have changed the outcome?

His parents could have sought out professional help when his mental illness first manifested itself instead of fostering it.

Scout Schultz. They nonbinary and intersex. They dead.

(09-18-2017 10:34 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:23 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Can't blame the cops based on what we saw in the video.

My question is what happened before that could have changed the outcome?

His parents could have sought out professional help when his mental illness first manifested itself instead of fostering it.

I'm talking about how they responded to the call.

All we see is the cops with guns drawn. At that point, they had not choice but to shoot him.

(09-18-2017 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:34 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:23 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Can't blame the cops based on what we saw in the video.

My question is what happened before that could have changed the outcome?

His parents could have sought out professional help when his mental illness first manifested itself instead of fostering it.

I'm talking about how they responded to the call.

All we see is the cops with guns drawn. At that point, they had not choice but to shoot him.

They were responding to a report of a subject with a knife and possibly a gun. They are going to draw guns in that case, not hand out vegan cheeseburgers.

(09-18-2017 10:44 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:34 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:23 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Can't blame the cops based on what we saw in the video.

My question is what happened before that could have changed the outcome?

His parents could have sought out professional help when his mental illness first manifested itself instead of fostering it.

I'm talking about how they responded to the call.

All we see is the cops with guns drawn. At that point, they had not choice but to shoot him.

They were responding to a report of a subject with a knife and possibly a gun. They are going to draw guns in that case, not hand out vegan cheeseburgers.

Did they have any information about his mental state? Was he threatening other students?

What led to the call? Was he suicidal?

(09-18-2017 10:46 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:44 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:34 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:23 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Can't blame the cops based on what we saw in the video.

My question is what happened before that could have changed the outcome?

His parents could have sought out professional help when his mental illness first manifested itself instead of fostering it.

I'm talking about how they responded to the call.

All we see is the cops with guns drawn. At that point, they had not choice but to shoot him.

They were responding to a report of a subject with a knife and possibly a gun. They are going to draw guns in that case, not hand out vegan cheeseburgers.

Did they have any information about his mental state? Was he threatening other students?

What led to the call? Was he suicidal?

None of those questions changes the fact that they were responding to a report of a subject with a knife and possibly a gun. The mental state, being threatening or suicidal doesn't matter. You approach with weapons drawn because of A. force protection and B. protection of bystanders.

By reports I have read online the officers were on scene for 10-15 minutes and despite multiple commands to drop the knife he wasn't compliant. At the point shown in the video the officers had been backed into a compromising position where their force was divided with one officer backed behind a barrier in a parking garage and separated from the other officers. Just prior to the gunshot the subject started rapidly advancing and the die was cast. This wasn't a cop being trigger happy...if that were the case they would have shot him when they first arrived. How anybody can honestly watch the video and not see that the cops were doing everything they could to avoid shooting this subject can only be explained by a hatred of law enforcement. I get that from you because you have made it clear from multiple statements over the years that you absolutely hate law enforcement but some of the others I don't get it.

(09-18-2017 10:23 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Can't blame the cops based on what we saw in the video.

My question is what happened before that could have changed the outcome?

Can't blame the cops but can blame the policy.. How in the heck do you not give cops on a college campus a taser or other non lethal method of take down.

(09-18-2017 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:34 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:23 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Can't blame the cops based on what we saw in the video.

My question is what happened before that could have changed the outcome?

His parents could have sought out professional help when his mental illness first manifested itself instead of fostering it.

I'm talking about how they responded to the call.

All we see is the cops with guns drawn. At that point, they had not choice but to shoot him.

He had a knife visible and reportedly (to the cops) had a gun. They really had to draw.

(09-18-2017 11:16 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:23 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Can't blame the cops based on what we saw in the video.

My question is what happened before that could have changed the outcome?

Can't blame the cops but can blame the policy.. How in the heck do you not give cops on a college campus a taser or other non lethal method of take down.

What good would it have done in this case? You do not face a lethal weapon with a less lethal option.

(09-18-2017 11:32 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 11:16 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:23 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Can't blame the cops based on what we saw in the video.

My question is what happened before that could have changed the outcome?

Can't blame the cops but can blame the policy.. How in the heck do you not give cops on a college campus a taser or other non lethal method of take down.

What good would it have done in this case? You do not face a lethal weapon with a less lethal option.

Umm police do taser folks with a knife. You have one person cover them with a fire arm and the other use the taser.

(09-18-2017 10:46 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:44 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:34 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:23 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Can't blame the cops based on what we saw in the video.

My question is what happened before that could have changed the outcome?

His parents could have sought out professional help when his mental illness first manifested itself instead of fostering it.

I'm talking about how they responded to the call.

All we see is the cops with guns drawn. At that point, they had not choice but to shoot him.

They were responding to a report of a subject with a knife and possibly a gun. They are going to draw guns in that case, not hand out vegan cheeseburgers.

Did they have any information about his mental state? Was he threatening other students?

What led to the call? Was he suicidal?

No he. Do not call they he. Scout Schultz was gender neutral. They nonbinary and intersex.

(09-18-2017 11:37 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 11:32 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 11:16 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:23 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Can't blame the cops based on what we saw in the video.

My question is what happened before that could have changed the outcome?

Can't blame the cops but can blame the policy.. How in the heck do you not give cops on a college campus a taser or other non lethal method of take down.

What good would it have done in this case? You do not face a lethal weapon with a less lethal option.

Umm police do taser folks with a knife. You have one person cover them with a fire arm and the other use the taser.

If you get close enough to effectively deploy a taser on a knife wielding subject you are violating every standard in regards to standoff distance. A taser's effective range is 15 feet. The minimum standoff distance for a subject with an edged weapon is 21 feet.

(09-18-2017 11:41 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 11:37 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 11:32 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 11:16 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:23 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Can't blame the cops based on what we saw in the video.

My question is what happened before that could have changed the outcome?

Can't blame the cops but can blame the policy.. How in the heck do you not give cops on a college campus a taser or other non lethal method of take down.

What good would it have done in this case? You do not face a lethal weapon with a less lethal option.

Umm police do taser folks with a knife. You have one person cover them with a fire arm and the other use the taser.

If you get close enough to effectively deploy a taser on a knife wielding subject you are violating every standard in regards to standoff distance. A taser's effective range is 15 feet. The minimum standoff distance for a subject with an edged weapon is 21 feet.

Are you saying police don't ever use tasers on a person with a knife?

(09-18-2017 11:52 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 11:41 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 11:37 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 11:32 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 11:16 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Can't blame the cops but can blame the policy.. How in the heck do you not give cops on a college campus a taser or other non lethal method of take down.

What good would it have done in this case? You do not face a lethal weapon with a less lethal option.

Umm police do taser folks with a knife. You have one person cover them with a fire arm and the other use the taser.

If you get close enough to effectively deploy a taser on a knife wielding subject you are violating every standard in regards to standoff distance. A taser's effective range is 15 feet. The minimum standoff distance for a subject with an edged weapon is 21 feet.

Are you saying police don't ever use tasers on a person with a knife?

No. I'm saying that much like I told someone earlier in this thread that just because it worked previously doesn't mean it was safe or smart. Like I said...Charleston Fire Dept had been fighting fire like the way they fought the Sofa Super Store fire for decades without incident. Doesn't change the fact that it was unsafe and got nine firefighters killed.

I'll put it like this.....if I'm on a call with a knife wielding suspect and my backup pulls out their taser I'm going to request that I not be put in a position where they are backing me up again.

(09-18-2017 08:11 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 12:45 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 11:22 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 08:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 07:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  You'd think if it's more than 1 cop, they could simply bum-rush this person and take them down. course I wasn't there, who knows.

Mental illness is something else, tough stuff. Hard to "diagnose" from a computer and 1 news story.

"OK guys...we are going to bum rush this dude. At least one, probably more of us is going to get cut up so bad we are going to look like a road map but we're going. On three. One....two.....THREE!"

stop making sense.

So, you missed the "course I wasn't there, who knows" part?!?

Don't most, if not all, of the Cops show up in vests? So now we've got a knife at a gunfight I guess. This guy was more a threat to himself than anyone else there, guess he got his desired outcome.

And you obviously missed the videos I posted showing just how quickly a man armed with a knife can traverse 21 feet and how difficult it is to hit a moving target in a limb. Go take some advanced handgun courses and get back to me with your opinion.

You're right, I missed the videos. They won't play for me for some reason.

But, again. Course I wasn't there, who knows? I'll let the judicial or administrative system sort this out. Not me.

They? I thought there was only one guy?



Man, these people are sick.