(09-18-2017 09:29 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Alt-left antifa is out there, no wonder it's turned violent.

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/9...7579429889

The link you provided shows no indication of Antifa.

(09-19-2017 10:00 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 09:29 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Alt-left antifa is out there, no wonder it's turned violent.

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/9...7579429889

The link you provided shows no indication of Antifa.

You're wrong, as usual.

At 12 seconds, there's a guy with a mask and a flag that says "Fight Back" with the antifa logo on it. Watch the Vimeo video for further confirmation.

(09-19-2017 05:22 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You can't tell me a group of cops can't aim for the legs. One bullet in the femur disables this guy and he lives and gets treatment. There should be a standing order or command. Does everyone agree we have a 'come up with an ancronym' in this case CUWAA. If the responding officers agree, yes we have a CUWAA. They all shoot one time at the front of the thigh. One of them will hit the guy. After having their femur busted they will drop the knife and you call an ambulance. This sounds so basic to me.

You ever fired a gun at a moving target?

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(09-19-2017 10:03 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 10:00 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 09:29 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Alt-left antifa is out there, no wonder it's turned violent.

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/9...7579429889

The link you provided shows no indication of Antifa.

You're wrong, as usual.

At 12 seconds, there's a guy with a mask and a flag that says "Fight Back" with the antifa logo on it. Watch the Vimeo video for further confirmation.

Clearly this man was hired by Soros to be there. Isn't that what conservatives always say?

(09-19-2017 10:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 10:03 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 10:00 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 09:29 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Alt-left antifa is out there, no wonder it's turned violent.

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/9...7579429889

The link you provided shows no indication of Antifa.

You're wrong, as usual.

At 12 seconds, there's a guy with a mask and a flag that says "Fight Back" with the antifa logo on it. Watch the Vimeo video for further confirmation.

Clearly this man was hired by Soros to be there. Isn't that what conservatives always say?

Clearly you have nothing constructive to add to this thread. Isn't that always the case?

(09-19-2017 10:30 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 10:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 10:03 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 10:00 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 09:29 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Alt-left antifa is out there, no wonder it's turned violent.

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/9...7579429889

The link you provided shows no indication of Antifa.

You're wrong, as usual.

At 12 seconds, there's a guy with a mask and a flag that says "Fight Back" with the antifa logo on it. Watch the Vimeo video for further confirmation.

Clearly this man was hired by Soros to be there. Isn't that what conservatives always say?

Clearly you have nothing constructive to add to this thread. Isn't that always the case?

He added some fake news, got proven wrong, then changed the subject.

(09-18-2017 10:46 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:44 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:34 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:23 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Can't blame the cops based on what we saw in the video.

My question is what happened before that could have changed the outcome?

His parents could have sought out professional help when his mental illness first manifested itself instead of fostering it.

I'm talking about how they responded to the call.

All we see is the cops with guns drawn. At that point, they had not choice but to shoot him.

They were responding to a report of a subject with a knife and possibly a gun. They are going to draw guns in that case, not hand out vegan cheeseburgers.

Did they have any information about his mental state? Was he threatening other students?

What led to the call? Was he suicidal?

Do you expect the 911 caller to acquire and share this type of information with dispatch? Who then is qualified to recognize a person's "mental state"?

(09-19-2017 05:22 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You can't tell me a group of cops can't aim for the legs. One bullet in the femur disables this guy and he lives and gets treatment. There should be a standing order or command. Does everyone agree we have a 'come up with an ancronym' in this case CUWAA. If the responding officers agree, yes we have a CUWAA. They all shoot one time at the front of the thigh. One of them will hit the guy. After having their femur busted they will drop the knife and you call an ambulance. This sounds so basic to me.

No disrespect intended here as you have obviously never had any kind of handgun training but I already went over this once. I train regularly with an ex-Marine, ex-Air Force officer and ex-LEO, all certified range-masters. They would all laugh at your assertions as they goes against every single concept they teach.

I train regularly at 7 yards and it's difficult enough consistently grouping within a stationary target while in a stationary position. Factor in shooting on the move and the difficulty greatly increases and I have qualified numerous times on FBI standard testings. Additionally, factor in shooting at a moving target and the difficulty is compounded exponentially.

I suggest you go to youtube and watch some police shootouts to see how many times cops miss their targets. Most cops train once a year, during qualifications. Many go through their entire careers without ever needing to draw their weapons which is a good thing from a certain perspective but certainly bad if they have to rely on their once yearly qualifying to possibly save their lives in a shootout.

(09-19-2017 05:22 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You can't tell me a group of cops can't aim for the legs.

Have you ever fired a gun at a moving target? The reason you aim center mass is not "to kill", it's because that's the most likely place to hit something.

Quote:One bullet in the femur disables this guy and he lives and gets treatment.

You can bleed to death in under 2:00 if your femoral artery is hit...

(09-19-2017 11:35 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

Quote:One bullet in the femur disables this guy and he lives and gets treatment.

You can bleed to death in under 2:00 if your femoral artery is hit...

The bullet doesn't even need to hit the artery. It can hit the femur itself shattering it and the femur cuts the artery as the subject collapses tot he ground.

(09-19-2017 11:01 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 05:22 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You can't tell me a group of cops can't aim for the legs. One bullet in the femur disables this guy and he lives and gets treatment. There should be a standing order or command. Does everyone agree we have a 'come up with an ancronym' in this case CUWAA. If the responding officers agree, yes we have a CUWAA. They all shoot one time at the front of the thigh. One of them will hit the guy. After having their femur busted they will drop the knife and you call an ambulance. This sounds so basic to me.

No disrespect intended here as you have obviously never had any kind of handgun training but I already went over this once. I train regularly with an ex-Marine, ex-Air Force officer and ex-LEO, all certified range-masters. They would all laugh at your assertions as they goes against every single concept they teach.

I train regularly at 7 yards and it's difficult enough consistently grouping within a stationary target while in a stationary position. Factor in shooting on the move and the difficulty greatly increases and I have qualified numerous times on FBI standard testings. Additionally, factor in shooting at a moving target and the difficulty is compounded exponentially.

I suggest you go to youtube and watch some police shootouts to see how many times cops miss their targets. Most cops train once a year, during qualifications. Many go through their entire careers without ever needing to draw their weapons which is a good thing from a certain perspective but certainly bad if they have to rely on their once yearly qualifying to possibly save their lives in a shootout.

I think you fail to realize that Mach is a teacher.

Those who can, do, those who can't, teach and those that can't teach tell others what they should do and how they should feel.

Notice how reluctant they were to end this mans life? A black man would have been shot immediately. But I'm just glad this guys chosed suicide by cop instead of shooting up the school and then killing himself

(09-23-2017 05:12 AM)Dynamos Wrote:  Notice how reluctant they were to end this mans life? A black man would have been shot immediately. But I'm just glad this guys chosed suicide by cop instead of shooting up the school and then killing himself

Seriously? I can point you to numerous cop/black man encounters where the black man lived through them by following lawful commands. I can also point you to statistics that debunk your entire more black men are killed by cops than white men assertion. But you probably already know these facts...

(09-23-2017 09:47 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 05:12 AM)Dynamos Wrote:  Notice how reluctant they were to end this mans life? A black man would have been shot immediately. But I'm just glad this guys chosed suicide by cop instead of shooting up the school and then killing himself

Seriously? I can point you to numerous cop/black man encounters where the black man lived through them by following lawful commands. I can also point you to statistics that debunk your entire more black men are killed by cops than white men assertion. But you probably already know these facts...

My point is cops are less ummmm whats the word?....patient with black men. A black man doesn't get as long as the man in the OP to cooperate before getting shot.

(09-19-2017 06:27 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 05:22 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You can't tell me a group of cops can't aim for the legs. One bullet in the femur disables this guy and he lives and gets treatment. There should be a standing order or command. Does everyone agree we have a 'come up with an ancronym' in this case CUWAA. If the responding officers agree, yes we have a CUWAA. They all shoot one time at the front of the thigh. One of them will hit the guy. After having their femur busted they will drop the knife and you call an ambulance. This sounds so basic to me.

Everybody who has gun training says hitting in the leg is hard to do. Real life is not like typical Hollywood. Its more like the Unforgiven where a bunch of people miss at point blank range. Why do you think so many people survived duels?

Sounds like you are setting up a cross-fire where the police are as likely to hit each other.

Not to mention the shots that miss or go through flesh and come back out are still flying projectiles.

People also greatly underestimate the effects of stress on ones aim. It's not like what you see on tv or in the movies.

(09-23-2017 10:46 AM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 09:47 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 05:12 AM)Dynamos Wrote:  Notice how reluctant they were to end this mans life? A black man would have been shot immediately. But I'm just glad this guys chosed suicide by cop instead of shooting up the school and then killing himself

Seriously? I can point you to numerous cop/black man encounters where the black man lived through them by following lawful commands. I can also point you to statistics that debunk your entire more black men are killed by cops than white men assertion. But you probably already know these facts...

My point is cops are less ummmm whats the word?....patient with black men. A black man doesn't get as long as the man in the OP to cooperate before getting shot.

Your point is part of Black Lies Matter. There was a recent study by a Black Harvard professor, who, much to his surprise, found that Whites were as likely as Blacks to be shot.

Those are the facts. But the media plays up the cases where Black civilians get shot by White police officers, not so much Black civilians getting shot by Black police officers and they ignore White civilians getting shot by any police officer. Those Media Lies create more confrontations and create more risk for everyone.

(09-23-2017 12:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 10:46 AM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 09:47 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 05:12 AM)Dynamos Wrote:  Notice how reluctant they were to end this mans life? A black man would have been shot immediately. But I'm just glad this guys chosed suicide by cop instead of shooting up the school and then killing himself

Seriously? I can point you to numerous cop/black man encounters where the black man lived through them by following lawful commands. I can also point you to statistics that debunk your entire more black men are killed by cops than white men assertion. But you probably already know these facts...

My point is cops are less ummmm whats the word?....patient with black men. A black man doesn't get as long as the man in the OP to cooperate before getting shot.

Your point is part of Black Lies Matter. There was a recent study by a Black Harvard professor, who, much to his surprise, found that Whites were as likely as Blacks to be shot.

Those are the facts. But the media plays up the cases where Black civilians get shot by White police officers, not so much Black civilians getting shot by Black police officers and they ignore White civilians getting shot by any police officer. Those Media Lies create more confrontations and create more risk for everyone.

I would be interested in any studies (link) that support either position. Citing one video in the OP doesn't do much.

Who's going to be held liable for his student loans?

(09-23-2017 12:55 PM)Topkat Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 12:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 10:46 AM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 09:47 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 05:12 AM)Dynamos Wrote:  Notice how reluctant they were to end this mans life? A black man would have been shot immediately. But I'm just glad this guys chosed suicide by cop instead of shooting up the school and then killing himself

Seriously? I can point you to numerous cop/black man encounters where the black man lived through them by following lawful commands. I can also point you to statistics that debunk your entire more black men are killed by cops than white men assertion. But you probably already know these facts...

My point is cops are less ummmm whats the word?....patient with black men. A black man doesn't get as long as the man in the OP to cooperate before getting shot.

Your point is part of Black Lies Matter. There was a recent study by a Black Harvard professor, who, much to his surprise, found that Whites were as likely as Blacks to be shot.

Those are the facts. But the media plays up the cases where Black civilians get shot by White police officers, not so much Black civilians getting shot by Black police officers and they ignore White civilians getting shot by any police officer. Those Media Lies create more confrontations and create more risk for everyone.

I would be interested in any studies (link) that support either position. Citing one video in the OP doesn't do much.

https://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/public...-use-force