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Shakin' My Head At 2 MWC Schools
After UNLV loses to Howard 43-40 Nevada tells them to hold their Beer as Nevada loses to Idaho "Frickin" State 30-28 and it was really never that close.
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That weekend surprised the hell out of me...04-jawdrop How's the Herd looking heading into Conference play this season?
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Then came Charlotte...Losing to NC A&T last week? I love our conference, that one floored me a little to discover.
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(09-20-2017 09:27 AM)Matrix Wrote:  That weekend surprised the hell out of me...04-jawdrop How's the Herd looking heading into Conference play this season?

Solid defense and no offense. We may have found our RB in the second half of the Kent game and Chase showed some willingness to run, so the offense may be looking up.
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(09-20-2017 09:27 AM)Matrix Wrote:  That weekend surprised the hell out of me...04-jawdrop How's the Herd looking heading into Conference play this season?

We should beat BYE this week like a Gov't Mule, then we have Cincy on the 30th. Our defense is just as good as it was in 14 and 15 if not a little better. And this is without one of our new ILB who we will get back for the Charlotte game.

Our offense has scored 31, 20 and 21 and won two of those games, Miami OH and Kent State and we was in the NC State game with 4 mins left to go when Marshall had an INT while driving the ball. If our offense can start scoring more we can beat anyone left on our schedule.
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Charlotte might want to give up soon, they have no hope. Fire the coach
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(09-16-2017 10:00 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  After UNLV loses to Howard 43-40 Nevada tells them to hold their Beer as Nevada loses to Idaho "Frickin" State 30-28 and it was really never that close.

It's really hard to believe that Nevada-Reno has fallen off that far. When LA Tech was in the WAC, Nevada-Reno was ALWAYS tough. During those years Colin Kaepernick was a 4-year starter at QB for Nevada, and he was almost unstoppable. No QB --not even Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel-- was as difficult for LA Tech to stop as Kaepernick. He was 6'6, had long legs, and ran like a deer.
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(09-20-2017 11:40 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(09-16-2017 10:00 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  After UNLV loses to Howard 43-40 Nevada tells them to hold their Beer as Nevada loses to Idaho "Frickin" State 30-28 and it was really never that close.

It's really hard to believe that Nevada-Reno has fallen off that far. When LA Tech was in the WAC, Nevada-Reno was ALWAYS tough. During those years Colin Kaepernick was a 4-year starter at QB for Nevada, and he was almost unstoppable. No QB --not even Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel-- was as difficult for LA Tech to stop as Kaepernick. He was 6'6, had long legs, and ran like a deer.

we didn't beat Nevada once when CK was there. It was always 20+ yds gain for them the moment he got out of the box.
I hate Nevada with a passion because of those years. We beat them the year after he left.
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(09-20-2017 11:31 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  Charlotte might want to give up soon, they have no hope. Fire the coach

Has nothing to do with Brad Lambert, he is a decent coach. It has everything to playing in a 15,300 seat stadium. Also Ive always thought that if you are a start up or restarting a program you should have to spend at least 10 years in IAA. Yes that means CUSA would be without 3 schools right now, Charlotte, ODU and UTSA. And possibly 4 if UAB was not able to get a waiver.

The 10 years would give new programs not only time to recruit properly (2 1/2 recruiting cycles min) it would also give them time to get stadiums, internal issues and AD issues resolved before jumping into the fire feet 1st.
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(09-20-2017 12:52 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 11:31 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  Charlotte might want to give up soon, they have no hope. Fire the coach

Has nothing to do with Brad Lambert, he is a decent coach. It has everything to playing in a 15,300 seat stadium. Also Ive always thought that if you are a start up or restarting a program you should have to spend at least 10 years in IAA. Yes that means CUSA would be without 3 schools right now, Charlotte, ODU and UTSA. And possibly 4 if UAB was not able to get a waiver.

The 10 years would give new programs not only time to recruit properly (2 1/2 recruiting cycles min) it would also give them time to get stadiums, internal issues and AD issues resolved before jumping into the fire feet 1st.

Charlotte's record has everything to do with Brad Lambert. The teams he has put on the field are unprepared, commit numerous stupid penalties, and he has hired an O-coordinator that runs an illogical scheme. He has failed to recruit an even serviceable QB in five years and can't coach up many of the players he does recruit. If he is so good please hire him back on the Marshall staff.

Our stadium may have fewer seats than our fellow conference mates but it is brand new and far nicer than some of the old rusting mildew stained stadiums in the conference. We will add seats in the next few years with home games against Maryland, Duke, and CHeat on the schedule. We had 18,600 people at our last home game.
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Yeah, I don't think the stadium is the issue either. It's perfectly fine for Phase 1 with more phases to come. It might just be time for a new face. I love Coker and was sad when he was forced out, but in hindsight nobody can really argue that bringing in someone else wasn't the right move.
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If you want to consider Lambert a problem then he is way down on the totem pole.

Your stadium might be shiny, it may look pretty but right now its tiny, real tiny. And when recruits are looking at places to go, sorry but they see that. And most recruits "Buy with their eyes". Why do you think there is usually some kind of renovation or construction going on 24/7 at most universities.

Just in North and South Carolina alone taking away the P5 programs these stadiums are bigger and to recruits look more impressive probably

ECU 50K
NC AT 22K
Appy State 22K
Citadel 23K
Furman 16K

Furmans Paladin Stadium does kinda suck I know that but I can remember also a time where Marshall fans were jealous of it in the 70s and early to mid 80s.

Also Charlotte recruiting isn't up to speed yet. Just going back to 2014 your recruiting ranking on 247 is:

2014 13
2015 12
2016 11
2017 10

You ever set and think that the penalties and being unprepared might have to do with other schools in the conference just have much more talented kids. I'm not trying to put Charlotte down. Because I don't think UTSA, ODU or Charlotte was well enough prepared to jump to IA when they did, but as of right now it looks as though Charlotte was the least prepared. This is the reason Ive always thought programs should stay IAA for 10 years. And also just not everyone who says "I think I wanna go IA", should have been allowed to. Ive always thought you should have a check list to go by and the 1st thing on that list should have been commitment to the program.
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There is no correlation to stadium size and recruiting in this conference. If it was Rice, UTEP, and UAB would be closer to the top than the bottom most years. Just my opinion but I would think when a 17 year old kid is looking at which school to go to the number of seats a stadium holds would be about #11 on a scale of 10. Again just my opinion but if a 17 year old is on a visit and the stadium is 4/5 to 1/2 empty that 17 year old is going to notice that way more than checking on line to see what the stadium holds.
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(09-20-2017 11:54 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  If you want to consider Lambert a problem then he is way down on the totem pole.

Your stadium might be shiny, it may look pretty but right now its tiny, real tiny. And when recruits are looking at places to go, sorry but they see that. And most recruits "Buy with their eyes". Why do you think there is usually some kind of renovation or construction going on 24/7 at most universities.

Just in North and South Carolina alone taking away the P5 programs these stadiums are bigger and to recruits look more impressive probably

ECU 50K
NC AT 22K
Appy State 22K
Citadel 23K
Furman 16K

Furmans Paladin Stadium does kinda suck I know that but I can remember also a time where Marshall fans were jealous of it in the 70s and early to mid 80s.

Also Charlotte recruiting isn't up to speed yet. Just going back to 2014 your recruiting ranking on 247 is:

2014 13
2015 12
2016 11
2017 10

You ever set and think that the penalties and being unprepared might have to do with other schools in the conference just have much more talented kids. I'm not trying to put Charlotte down. Because I don't think UTSA, ODU or Charlotte was well enough prepared to jump to IA when they did, but as of right now it looks as though Charlotte was the least prepared. This is the reason Ive always thought programs should stay IAA for 10 years. And also just not everyone who says "I think I wanna go IA", should have been allowed to. Ive always thought you should have a check list to go by and the 1st thing on that list should have been commitment to the program.

This post is just wrong in several ways. First, of course schools with established FBS programs have more talented players than schools in FCS. Prior to the transition, the established schools have more players on scholarship and they have recruited from a totally different and more talented player pool. Though there may be an exception or two to this general rule, this talent gap is not something you can make go away initially. It will take time for the recruiting gap to fully close.

Second, it is just wrong to lump all three of these schools together. I will let UTSA and Charlotte fans respond regarding their programs, but I will gladly address ODU.

(1) ODU did not actively seek 1-A status. C-USA initiated the discussions and made the offer to a fledgling program that had made the FCS playoffs in its first two seasons of play in the CAA and after only four seasons of football.

(2) ODU missed being bowl eligible by a field goal in its first full year of FBS competition and went 10-3 with a bowl win in its second year.

(3) ODU has approved the demolition and reconstrution of its stadium. The process is underway with Populous just selected as the architect and Phase I of the new stadium scheduled for completion in time for the 2019 season.

These facts absolutely refute your implication that ODU sought the transition to FBS and your contentions that ODU was not committed to its football program and was not prepared to make the move. Instead, the facts fully support the conference's initiative and ODU's acceptance of the invitation.

https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...283c0.html

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-...story.html
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(09-21-2017 06:57 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 11:54 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  If you want to consider Lambert a problem then he is way down on the totem pole.

Your stadium might be shiny, it may look pretty but right now its tiny, real tiny. And when recruits are looking at places to go, sorry but they see that. And most recruits "Buy with their eyes". Why do you think there is usually some kind of renovation or construction going on 24/7 at most universities.

Just in North and South Carolina alone taking away the P5 programs these stadiums are bigger and to recruits look more impressive probably

ECU 50K
NC AT 22K
Appy State 22K
Citadel 23K
Furman 16K

Furmans Paladin Stadium does kinda suck I know that but I can remember also a time where Marshall fans were jealous of it in the 70s and early to mid 80s.

Also Charlotte recruiting isn't up to speed yet. Just going back to 2014 your recruiting ranking on 247 is:

2014 13
2015 12
2016 11
2017 10

You ever set and think that the penalties and being unprepared might have to do with other schools in the conference just have much more talented kids. I'm not trying to put Charlotte down. Because I don't think UTSA, ODU or Charlotte was well enough prepared to jump to IA when they did, but as of right now it looks as though Charlotte was the least prepared. This is the reason Ive always thought programs should stay IAA for 10 years. And also just not everyone who says "I think I wanna go IA", should have been allowed to. Ive always thought you should have a check list to go by and the 1st thing on that list should have been commitment to the program.

This post is just wrong in several ways. First, of course schools with established FBS programs have more talented players than schools in FCS. Prior to the transition, the established schools have more players on scholarship and they have recruited from a totally different and more talented player pool. Though there may be an exception or two to this general rule, this talent gap is not something you can make go away initially. It will take time for the recruiting gap to fully close.

Second, it is just wrong to lump all three of these schools together. I will let UTSA and Charlotte fans respond regarding their programs, but I will gladly address ODU.

(1) ODU did not actively seek 1-A status. C-USA initiated the discussions and made the offer to a fledgling program that had made the FCS playoffs in its first two seasons of play in the CAA and after only four seasons of football.

(2) ODU missed being bowl eligible by a field goal in its first full year of FBS competition and went 10-3 with a bowl win in its second year.

(3) ODU has approved the demolition and reconstrution of its stadium. The process is underway with Populous just selected as the architect and Phase I of the new stadium scheduled for completion in time for the 2019 season.

These facts absolutely refute your implication that ODU sought the transition to FBS and your contentions that ODU was not committed to its football program and was not prepared to make the move. Instead, the facts fully support the conference's initiative and ODU's acceptance of the invitation.

https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...283c0.html

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-...story.html

You present facts here to refute someone? I like this out of the box thinking. 07-coffee3
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