(09-19-2017 01:31 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 11:28 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  ...

I understand your logic. And 46K average is nice.

But, our goal should be to fill every seat. Every game.

46,000 average would be wildly successful for non P5 school with a limited geographical footprint. If we were in a P5 Conference, and had several years of sustained success at that level, we probably still would not sell out the Liberty Bowl on any sort of regular basis. In that case we probably top out at like 52,000-54,000. Which would be great. But still isn't going to sell out the Liberty Bowl.

"Fill every seat, every game" isn't realistic when we play in a stadium that's too big for every one of the geographically similarly situated Power 5 schools (schools like Miami, Pitt, Louisville, TCU, Baylor) and probably like 30 or 40 percent of the state level Power 5 schools. In fact "Fill every seat, every game" is setting the program up for failure when we play in a stadium that was built for an 1970s NFL franchise's and not the program's attendance needs.

I guess '"Fill every seat, every game" sounds good from a "always aim for the best perspective," but it's also poisonous in that it creates expectations that the program cannot hope to fulfill, and it undermines the successes of the program that fall short of it. We will fill every seat in the Liberty Bowl every game like UT or Ole Miss (when they're good) where there are a lot of fans buying tickets for the other team. Next time there's a game with national playoff implications like Navy, maybe we sell 55,000 then. Otherwise right now we're maxing out at around 42,500 to 47,500 for most other games and we should be looking for ways to sustain that through 6 home games rather than chasing after attendance numbers there's no particular reason to think we should achieve.

(09-18-2017 09:20 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  No tarps. Leave the one we got, take it down for huge games (something a little more than this week).

You tarp people are weak.

Due to ADA Compliance we can't tarp either endzone fully, only the top half. With that in mind I am in favor of tarping the top half on both ends instead of just the one end. Doesn't help the TV look when 20k are there but it certainly does when there are 40k there. I am certainly in agreement that we need to get to the point where that is no concern, but until we do I am not sure why we wouldn't tarp the top half of the other end. Baylor did it for many years until they hit the big time and started filling their place. Others do it as well. Baylor may be doing it again soon!!

I am there rain or shine either way and have been for 40 years!

Go Tigers!

Agree with the previous 2 posters.

Tarp the top half of the untarped end zone.

And as Briskbas says, the "fill every seat every game" is just not realistic. We have a half-century of data saying so.

Tarp more, and most importantly add more chair backs. Improves the stadium and reduces capacity at the same time. Plus, U of M can charge more for the new seats, which slightly helps the bottom line.

Why not fill those endzone seats with kids groups (or the like), as opposed to tarps, until those tickets are being sold on a regular basis?

(09-19-2017 04:26 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  Why not fill those endzone seats with kids groups (or the like), as opposed to tarps, until those tickets are being sold on a regular basis?

Nice sentiment, but IMO you don't add value to your product by giving it away for free.

Whole idea is to create scarcity. Problem now is every fan knows they can wait until game day and have no worry about getting a ticket. Same with the basketball team.

Vandy had a sellout last week vs. Kansas State, and their capacity is under 40K. Bet their fans now are scrambling to buy tickets for their remaining home games.

(09-19-2017 01:31 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 11:28 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 09:12 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:28 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  UAB could open up every home game at Legion Field for free

If it was completely free I would bet the number of people attending a UAB game would be the same as it is with paying attendees

It's really all about the product

If it's fun people will come and pay

If it sucks people won't come even it it's free

I agree. All I'm saying is that, in the short term, give away some tickets to under privileged youth and other youth organizations. It's a win-win until we are consistently putting 55,000+ in the building.

For example...the SIU game, we should give out a BUNCH. Then, the Navy game perhaps not.

We shouldn't be aiming for 55K. We should be aiming to consistently put 45K in the stands. As it is we're straddling median FBS attendance and have been one of the top G5 schools in attendance the past couple of years. 45K would put us at number one in G5 and comfortably above the FBS median. 55K is median level P5 numbers and we shouldn't be setting that as benchmark for success.

This is part of the reason why it's so counterproductive to play in a stadium that's probably 30% or 35% too big for us. People see we play in 60,000 capacity stadium and then expect we ought to be able to fill that up pretty good when the only non P5 school that does those kinds of numbers is BYU, and they are kind of in their own class. Stop looking at Vaught Hemingway and Neyland. Look at what Houston and Boise State and Baylor and TCU are doing. Relative to that, we're doing OK. We could do a lot better. But we're not doing bad right now. And if we were doing 46K consistently, we'd be doing great.

I understand your logic. And 46K average is nice.

But, our goal should be to fill every seat. Every game.

Disagree. Our goal is to maximize revenue. Perhaps, we could sell out the place by selling ALL tickets for $5, but we'd leave a lot of money on the table. The excess supply of tickets prevents us from getting many people to commit to season tickets, cuz they know there will always be tix available for th games they really want to see. If we had 30K stadium (not suggesting that's what it should be), we probably would have sold 30K season tix instead of 20K, cuz everyone would want to make sure they had tix for the UCLA & Navy games.

Reduced supply will drive UP revenue and result in higher overall attendance cuz more people have to make he initial commitment. Tarp the upper portions of boyh SIDES of the bowl, above the upper portals. Get capacity to about 42K and then ONLY remove he tarps when demand really drives that need and can support the price structure. For the LB and SHC, they can remove the tarps and have the bigger stadium that they want. For next year's weakass home schedule, we might even want to reduce capacity to 38K, or so. Get your season ticket or risk
Eing left out. It really just makes too much sense.

(09-19-2017 01:18 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 01:02 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 12:05 PM)Tiger57 Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 08:38 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 07:57 AM)Tiger57 Wrote:  Tennessee and Florida kicked off at 2:30. It's also a big reason why we didn't get 50,000. We are a lot of fans 2nd team.

This is nonsense. 11:00am start in mid-September means heat as well as tons of folks having to attend their kids' soccer/football games instead of going to the Tiger game.

Heat is not as bad at a kids soccer or football game ?

I'm not defending one side or the other with this post, but I will point out that kids games don't last 4 1/2 hours.

I get to bring my covered chair to soccer games, doe.

Is that you on the left?

That thing throws a lot of shade--seats 4 comfortably in front.

Seriously...28-32K Saturday night? I would suspect that is it, maybe closer to the 28. However, based on the opponent I would assume that is still well ahead of last year similar games.

If so...yes...the IF begs for us to get around 40 for conference games.

(09-19-2017 04:52 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 01:31 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 11:28 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 09:12 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:28 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  UAB could open up every home game at Legion Field for free

If it was completely free I would bet the number of people attending a UAB game would be the same as it is with paying attendees

It's really all about the product

If it's fun people will come and pay

If it sucks people won't come even it it's free

I agree. All I'm saying is that, in the short term, give away some tickets to under privileged youth and other youth organizations. It's a win-win until we are consistently putting 55,000+ in the building.

For example...the SIU game, we should give out a BUNCH. Then, the Navy game perhaps not.

We shouldn't be aiming for 55K. We should be aiming to consistently put 45K in the stands. As it is we're straddling median FBS attendance and have been one of the top G5 schools in attendance the past couple of years. 45K would put us at number one in G5 and comfortably above the FBS median. 55K is median level P5 numbers and we shouldn't be setting that as benchmark for success.

This is part of the reason why it's so counterproductive to play in a stadium that's probably 30% or 35% too big for us. People see we play in 60,000 capacity stadium and then expect we ought to be able to fill that up pretty good when the only non P5 school that does those kinds of numbers is BYU, and they are kind of in their own class. Stop looking at Vaught Hemingway and Neyland. Look at what Houston and Boise State and Baylor and TCU are doing. Relative to that, we're doing OK. We could do a lot better. But we're not doing bad right now. And if we were doing 46K consistently, we'd be doing great.

I understand your logic. And 46K average is nice.

But, our goal should be to fill every seat. Every game.

Disagree. Our goal is to maximize revenue. Perhaps, we could sell out the place by selling ALL tickets for $5, but we'd leave a lot of money on the table. The excess supply of tickets prevents us from getting many people to commit to season tickets, cuz they know there will always be tix available for th games they really want to see. If we had 30K stadium (not suggesting that's what it should be), we probably would have sold 30K season tix instead of 20K, cuz everyone would want to make sure they had tix for the UCLA & Navy games.

Reduced supply will drive UP revenue and result in higher overall attendance cuz more people have to make he initial commitment. Tarp the upper portions of boyh SIDES of the bowl, above the upper portals. Get capacity to about 42K and then ONLY remove he tarps when demand really drives that need and can support the price structure. For the LB and SHC, they can remove the tarps and have the bigger stadium that they want. For next year's weakass home schedule, we might even want to reduce capacity to 38K, or so. Get your season ticket or risk
Eing left out. It really just makes too much sense.

If you block off the upper sections of the sides, then you can put in walls similar to baseball and sell advertising. Tarp from the wall back.

No.

Tarps are okay in moderation, like the 3K or so seats we got under ours.

Don't go clown city.

what he said

(09-19-2017 01:31 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 11:28 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 09:12 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 10:28 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  UAB could open up every home game at Legion Field for free

If it was completely free I would bet the number of people attending a UAB game would be the same as it is with paying attendees

It's really all about the product

If it's fun people will come and pay

If it sucks people won't come even it it's free

I agree. All I'm saying is that, in the short term, give away some tickets to under privileged youth and other youth organizations. It's a win-win until we are consistently putting 55,000+ in the building.

For example...the SIU game, we should give out a BUNCH. Then, the Navy game perhaps not.

We shouldn't be aiming for 55K. We should be aiming to consistently put 45K in the stands. As it is we're straddling median FBS attendance and have been one of the top G5 schools in attendance the past couple of years. 45K would put us at number one in G5 and comfortably above the FBS median. 55K is median level P5 numbers and we shouldn't be setting that as benchmark for success.

This is part of the reason why it's so counterproductive to play in a stadium that's probably 30% or 35% too big for us. People see we play in 60,000 capacity stadium and then expect we ought to be able to fill that up pretty good when the only non P5 school that does those kinds of numbers is BYU, and they are kind of in their own class. Stop looking at Vaught Hemingway and Neyland. Look at what Houston and Boise State and Baylor and TCU are doing. Relative to that, we're doing OK. We could do a lot better. But we're not doing bad right now. And if we were doing 46K consistently, we'd be doing great.

I understand your logic. And 46K average is nice.

But, our goal should be to fill every seat. Every game.

^^^THIS^^^X 20 ZILLION. I don't understand the (shoot low) attitude. I think That is called "TUBBY" marketing. Let's lower expectations for attendance as well. Defeatist attitude !

A lot of sales people are paid according to (ASP) average sales price. The old adage is--"you have not because you ask not". Act like we belong--remove the tarps---promote/sell---try to fill it up every game.

Look for the negative and you'll find it. Look for the positive and you'll find it. In people/work/life. You choose what to look for.

(09-19-2017 09:46 PM)HobosHeroesStCornerClowns Wrote:  Look for the negative and you'll find it. Look for the positive and you'll find it. In people/work/life. You choose what to look for,

--unless they hit you in the face with their ****.

Sometimes you don't even see it coming.

No thanks. The North end zone is where it's at. Me and the "Claw" got it covered.

(09-20-2017 08:47 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  No thanks. The North end zone is where it's at. Me and the "Claw" got it covered.

yep