They should partner with umsl and join the summit

(09-16-2017 01:40 PM)bluesox Wrote:  They should partner with umsl and join the summit

Who has said that the Summit or HL would want UMKC? UMKC has nothing to offer when it comes to athletics. If anything the easy way is to stay in the WAC and try and convince some other mid-west schools to join the WAC. Why not try and get UMSL to the WAC? But again why would UMKC knowingly leave the Summit to a far flung WAC where the WAC if they have a choice will try and stay in the west as much as possible when it comes to their members?

I think they went to the WAC to try to succeed against easier competition and keep that conference alive.

(09-16-2017 06:51 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I think they went to the WAC to try to succeed against easier competition and keep that conference alive.

The entrance fee was waived and think the WAC paid the Summit's low exit fee at that time so didn't cost them money. Think UMKC's admin thought the new Summit with Dakota schools screamed DII so they wanted out.

I think the conferences that should be the entry way for D1 are the WAC, Summit, Horizon for Midwest schools, Big South and the NEC. I do think MVC should look at some top programs from D2 that fits their profile and all that.

(09-16-2017 07:13 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-16-2017 06:51 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I think they went to the WAC to try to succeed against easier competition and keep that conference alive.

The entrance fee was waived and think the WAC paid the Summit's low exit fee at that time so didn't cost them money. Think UMKC's admin thought the new Summit with Dakota schools screamed DII so they wanted out.

The problem is UMKC screams D-II, certainly more than North Dakota State.

(09-16-2017 06:34 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(09-16-2017 01:40 PM)bluesox Wrote:  They should partner with umsl and join the summit

Who has said that the Summit or HL would want UMKC? UMKC has nothing to offer when it comes to athletics. If anything the easy way is to stay in the WAC and try and convince some other mid-west schools to join the WAC. Why not try and get UMSL to the WAC? But again why would UMKC knowingly leave the Summit to a far flung WAC where the WAC if they have a choice will try and stay in the west as much as possible when it comes to their members?

UMKC is a warm body in the heart of the Summit League's geography, and those are the only two qualifications the league has for teams right now.

As best I can tell, the 'Roos and the Summit didn't really get along, and UMKC thought it would be more successful in basketball in the WAC. That hasn't happened, and time (and administrative turnover) heals all wounds. They heal even faster when you're desperate.

Staying in the WAC appears to be about as financially viable as UND staying in the Big Sky; all those trips out west can add up fast.

(09-16-2017 07:13 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-16-2017 06:51 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I think they went to the WAC to try to succeed against easier competition and keep that conference alive.

The entrance fee was waived and think the WAC paid the Summit's low exit fee at that time so didn't cost them money. Think UMKC's admin thought the new Summit with Dakota schools screamed DII so they wanted out.

How did that work out for them? Of course our adding UND will drag us down. How bad did you great FB team just get beat by a school that has never finished above .500 in MVFC play? BB will be even worse.

But hey, UND, they're the "big time".

(09-18-2017 11:21 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(09-16-2017 07:13 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-16-2017 06:51 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I think they went to the WAC to try to succeed against easier competition and keep that conference alive.

The entrance fee was waived and think the WAC paid the Summit's low exit fee at that time so didn't cost them money. Think UMKC's admin thought the new Summit with Dakota schools screamed DII so they wanted out.

How did that work out for them? Of course our adding UND will drag us down. How bad did you great FB team just get beat by a school that has never finished above .500 in MVFC play? BB will be even worse.

But hey, UND, their the "big time".

When an SDSU troll makes an appearance lambasting UND rather than something I wrote, that's a telling sign that what I wrote is truth.

(09-18-2017 12:09 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 11:21 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(09-16-2017 07:13 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-16-2017 06:51 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I think they went to the WAC to try to succeed against easier competition and keep that conference alive.

The entrance fee was waived and think the WAC paid the Summit's low exit fee at that time so didn't cost them money. Think UMKC's admin thought the new Summit with Dakota schools screamed DII so they wanted out.

How did that work out for them? Of course our adding UND will drag us down. How bad did you great FB team just get beat by a school that has never finished above .500 in MVFC play? BB will be even worse.

But hey, UND, their the "big time".

When an SDSU troll makes an appearance lambasting UND rather than something I wrote, that's a telling sign that what I wrote is truth.

Just making fun of your school, its easy to do.

FYI, the reason UMKC left for the WAC is well known. They felt they had a better shot at competing, plus ORU were leaving the Summit and they were worried about their future.

(09-16-2017 01:40 PM)bluesox Wrote:  They should partner with umsl and join the summit

UMSL has a piss-poor athletic department and is just a commuter school in a not-great part of North St. Louis County, they have no business being D1. If they had invested properly upon its foundation in 1963 when North County was a thriving post-WWII suburb they could be in the MAC today by carving out a niche from Mizzou's fan base in St. Louis like Toledo has done against OSU. Instead, they did nothing and they've got very little going for them today.

(09-18-2017 12:40 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 12:09 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 11:21 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(09-16-2017 07:13 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-16-2017 06:51 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I think they went to the WAC to try to succeed against easier competition and keep that conference alive.

The entrance fee was waived and think the WAC paid the Summit's low exit fee at that time so didn't cost them money. Think UMKC's admin thought the new Summit with Dakota schools screamed DII so they wanted out.

How did that work out for them? Of course our adding UND will drag us down. How bad did you great FB team just get beat by a school that has never finished above .500 in MVFC play? BB will be even worse.

But hey, UND, their the "big time".

When an SDSU troll makes an appearance lambasting UND rather than something I wrote, that's a telling sign that what I wrote is truth.

Just making fun of your school, its easy to do.

FYI, the reason UMKC left for the WAC is well known. They felt they had a better shot at competing, plus ORU were leaving the Summit and they were worried about their future.

It's easy to hate aN area school that has eight national championships against real P5 schools, and 250 K annual attendance at a marble and brass cathedral. So your hate is perfectly understandable.

(09-18-2017 06:15 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 12:40 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 12:09 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 11:21 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(09-16-2017 07:13 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The entrance fee was waived and think the WAC paid the Summit's low exit fee at that time so didn't cost them money. Think UMKC's admin thought the new Summit with Dakota schools screamed DII so they wanted out.

How did that work out for them? Of course our adding UND will drag us down. How bad did you great FB team just get beat by a school that has never finished above .500 in MVFC play? BB will be even worse.

But hey, UND, their the "big time".

When an SDSU troll makes an appearance lambasting UND rather than something I wrote, that's a telling sign that what I wrote is truth.

Just making fun of your school, its easy to do.

FYI, the reason UMKC left for the WAC is well known. They felt they had a better shot at competing, plus ORU were leaving the Summit and they were worried about their future.

It's easy to hate aN area school that has eight national championships against real P5 schools, and 250 K annual attendance at a marble and brass cathedral. So your hate is perfectly understandable.

But Hockey

Funny, Funny stuff

(09-19-2017 01:49 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 06:15 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 12:40 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 12:09 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 11:21 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  How did that work out for them? Of course our adding UND will drag us down. How bad did you great FB team just get beat by a school that has never finished above .500 in MVFC play? BB will be even worse.

But hey, UND, their the "big time".

When an SDSU troll makes an appearance lambasting UND rather than something I wrote, that's a telling sign that what I wrote is truth.

Just making fun of your school, its easy to do.

FYI, the reason UMKC left for the WAC is well known. They felt they had a better shot at competing, plus ORU were leaving the Summit and they were worried about their future.

It's easy to hate aN area school that has eight national championships against real P5 schools, and 250 K annual attendance at a marble and brass cathedral. So your hate is perfectly understandable.

But Hockey

Funny, Funny stuff

But the Sioux Falls Stampede attracts an average crowd of 6600 to their USHL games. College hockey is much better than that 16-20 year old league.

You've been gone from South Dakota to long to be in touch with things, but just spout anti-hockey rhetoric to fit in with your average XDSU fans.

(09-18-2017 05:58 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(09-16-2017 01:40 PM)bluesox Wrote:  They should partner with umsl and join the summit

UMSL has a piss-poor athletic department and is just a commuter school in a not-great part of North St. Louis County, they have no business being D1. If they had invested properly upon its foundation in 1963 when North County was a thriving post-WWII suburb they could be in the MAC today by carving out a niche from Mizzou's fan base in St. Louis like Toledo has done against OSU. Instead, they did nothing and they've got very little going for them today.

I think Lindenwood have overtaken them in all counts. If they do go to D1? Why not hit it out of the ball park to go FBS and used the old Rams' stadium?

(09-19-2017 02:21 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 01:49 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 06:15 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 12:40 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 12:09 PM)NoDak Wrote:  When an SDSU troll makes an appearance lambasting UND rather than something I wrote, that's a telling sign that what I wrote is truth.

Just making fun of your school, its easy to do.

FYI, the reason UMKC left for the WAC is well known. They felt they had a better shot at competing, plus ORU were leaving the Summit and they were worried about their future.

It's easy to hate aN area school that has eight national championships against real P5 schools, and 250 K annual attendance at a marble and brass cathedral. So your hate is perfectly understandable.

But Hockey

Funny, Funny stuff

But the Sioux Falls Stampede attracts an average crowd of 6600 to their USHL games. College hockey is much better than that 16-20 year old league.

You've been gone from South Dakota to long to be in touch with things, but just spout anti-hockey rhetoric to fit in with your average XDSU fans.

Funny, not anti-hockey at all. Where I live soccer, skiing and hockey are the big sports. Big enough that our tiny 2A HS with 300 kids competes, and beats the 5A schools, including Valor Christian in HS hockey. Hockey is a big deal here in the mountains. The rec league has 10 teams and boasts several former professionals and division 1 college athletes. The play is not for the faint of heart or beginners. The league is the real deal. Played outdoors, at night under the lights in temps that can hit -20 and below.

What I find interesting is that you continually pump up UND as a future FBS school who are kings of the BSC and making a big name in FCS. Yet, you always fall back on the hockey argument when your school fails.

Back to the point of the thread, UMKC. I give them a better then 80% chance of being back in the Summit. Much like UND they have discovered that western travel for a midwestern, small mid-major is not feasible.

(09-20-2017 03:10 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 02:21 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 01:49 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 06:15 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 12:40 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  Just making fun of your school, its easy to do.

FYI, the reason UMKC left for the WAC is well known. They felt they had a better shot at competing, plus ORU were leaving the Summit and they were worried about their future.

It's easy to hate aN area school that has eight national championships against real P5 schools, and 250 K annual attendance at a marble and brass cathedral. So your hate is perfectly understandable.

But Hockey

Funny, Funny stuff

But the Sioux Falls Stampede attracts an average crowd of 6600 to their USHL games. College hockey is much better than that 16-20 year old league.

You've been gone from South Dakota to long to be in touch with things, but just spout anti-hockey rhetoric to fit in with your average XDSU fans.

Funny, not anti-hockey at all. Where I live soccer, skiing and hockey are the big sports. Big enough that our tiny 2A HS with 300 kids competes, and beats the 5A schools, including Valor Christian in HS hockey. Hockey is a big deal here in the mountains. The rec league has 10 teams and boasts several former professionals and division 1 college athletes. The play is not for the faint of heart or beginners. The league is the real deal. Played outdoors, at night under the lights in temps that can hit -20 and below.

What I find interesting is that you continually pump up UND as a future FBS school who are kings of the BSC and making a big name in FCS. Yet, you always fall back on the hockey argument when your school fails.

Back to the point of the thread, UMKC. I give them a better then 80% chance of being back in the Summit. Much like UND they have discovered that western travel for a midwestern, small mid-major is not feasible.

Hockey has spoiled our fans because it's almost an NHL quality in a college atmosphere. The latest news is 29 former players are signed in NHL camps, but that will be poo-pooed on XDSU boards too because it's not like them.

Just got a sellout crowd for women's volleyball because the team is 15-2, but that has been ridiculed too.

When UMKC doesn't go the the Summit, your reaction will be interesting. No schools are interested in a four Dakota Summit except the Montanas and Idaho, and that still hasn't sunk in, and it probably won't until it happens

(09-20-2017 02:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 05:58 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(09-16-2017 01:40 PM)bluesox Wrote:  They should partner with umsl and join the summit

UMSL has a piss-poor athletic department and is just a commuter school in a not-great part of North St. Louis County, they have no business being D1. If they had invested properly upon its foundation in 1963 when North County was a thriving post-WWII suburb they could be in the MAC today by carving out a niche from Mizzou's fan base in St. Louis like Toledo has done against OSU. Instead, they did nothing and they've got very little going for them today.

I think Lindenwood have overtaken them in all counts. If they do go to D1? Why not hit it out of the ball park to go FBS and used the old Rams' stadium?

Lindenwood has overtaken them, but that doesn't mean anything - St. Louis is, and always will be, a pro sports town. The Rams moving just means people who still follow football will just root for Mizzou or the Chiefs instead, it won't open any doors for a local college to seriously step up and draw an audience at this point. The only team capable of getting any kind of incremental support is SLU basketball like they did a little when Rick Majerus was head coach, but even then it's a pretty low ceiling.

UMKC should be D2 in the MIAA. NW Missouri State, Pitt State, and University of Central Missouri are nearby schools D2 schools that generate far more buzz in KC with their sports. On any given day in KC you will see more people wearing gear from those schools than UMKC. Honestly, I live downtown KC and have never meet a UMKC fan but I do know people that would go to a NW Mo state football game. Just in a couple weeks Central Missouri and NW Missouri are playing a football game at Arrowhead Stadium. Those schools deserve to be D1 over UMKC honestly.

The city doesn't need or have room for another college sports fanbase. Most people cheer for KU or Mizzou based on which side of the state line they grew up in, or which college their parents went to. Then you get a bunch of K-state, Wichita St, Nebraska, Missouri State, Iowa, Iowa St, etc fans in the area as the alumni from those schools move to KC for jobs.

(09-20-2017 05:45 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 02:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-18-2017 05:58 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(09-16-2017 01:40 PM)bluesox Wrote:  They should partner with umsl and join the summit

UMSL has a piss-poor athletic department and is just a commuter school in a not-great part of North St. Louis County, they have no business being D1. If they had invested properly upon its foundation in 1963 when North County was a thriving post-WWII suburb they could be in the MAC today by carving out a niche from Mizzou's fan base in St. Louis like Toledo has done against OSU. Instead, they did nothing and they've got very little going for them today.

I think Lindenwood have overtaken them in all counts. If they do go to D1? Why not hit it out of the ball park to go FBS and used the old Rams' stadium?

Lindenwood has overtaken them, but that doesn't mean anything - St. Louis is, and always will be, a pro sports town. The Rams moving just means people who still follow football will just root for Mizzou or the Chiefs instead, it won't open any doors for a local college to seriously step up and draw an audience at this point. The only team capable of getting any kind of incremental support is SLU basketball like they did a little when Rick Majerus was head coach, but even then it's a pretty low ceiling.

SLU could have filled the void had they had a D-I program and moved to FBS but that ship has sailed. The only other team that can at all is Southern Illinois but they'd be about as big in St. Louis and Metro St. Louis/Illinois as Clemson in Charlotte.