(09-17-2017 08:19 AM)blazr Wrote:  Who said I was just talking about just football? And, in any case, UAB still has a higher ceiling in football. Tell me what else Troy can build to attract better athletes to Pike County? Troy has their own stadium and we already out-draw them...even in 2014 before the plug was pulled. Birmingham is about to build a new stadium near downtown to replace cavernous Legion Field. What's going to happen then? It's not BS. I may a UAB alum but this is a pragmatic assessment. The point is that the return for every $ invested in UAB athletics has the potential to be MUCH higher than that invested in Pike County. EDIT: And those don't belong on message boards, natch, so I'll leave this ball for you to toss around.

Does UAB teach people to make statements without doing research also?

Troy has outdrawn UAB every year since 2007, except for the 2014 season when Troy was having their worst season since joining 1A and UAB was having their first .500 or better season since 2004.

Since you basically are having an inaugural season again, of course your attendance this year is going to be higher than usual. It's no surprise if you outdraw Troy this year. There's been a lot of emotion and press about this season for UAB. I'll give it two years though, and you guys will be right back to averaging what you did pre-2014.

And Birmingham is building a downtown stadium soon?? You mean the stadium that is only a rendering on paper and nothing more than a PROPOSAL?

Also last time I checked, Troy has had some pretty solid recruiting classes, even landing a 4-star athlete this last go-round. And that was before we began building our new $24-million endzone facility.

You're definitely showing how much BS your full of in this thread.

(09-17-2017 08:19 AM)blazr Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 07:27 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-16-2017 10:17 AM)blazr Wrote:  

(09-16-2017 09:21 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Yet Troy has outperforms UAB in football and isn't under Alabama's thumb. There is a concrete ceiling for UAB football as well - probably more so than Troy.

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Yet those with degrees from UAB know how to work the damn Reply button or don't have spotty internet from living in Pike County...

I'm not a Troy fan but I can read through your bullsh!t. UAB football is a joke in Alabama. You've got the thickest glass ceiling of them all.

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Who said I was just talking about just football? And, in any case, UAB still has a higher ceiling in football. Tell me what else Troy can build to attract better athletes to Pike County? Troy has their own stadium and we already out-draw them...even in 2014 before the plug was pulled. Birmingham is about to build a new stadium near downtown to replace cavernous Legion Field. What's going to happen then? It's not BS. I may a UAB alum but this is a pragmatic assessment. The point is that the return for every $ invested in UAB athletics has the potential to be MUCH higher than that invested in Pike County. EDIT: And those don't belong on message boards, natch, so I'll leave this ball for you to toss around.

Bama could shut your garbage program down at any minute. You said as much yourself after it got shutdown previously.

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(09-16-2017 02:02 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Some of these theories SOUND encouraging. How about some REALITY?

---exit fees?

---entrance fees?


---political influences

---schools who feel "left out" will NOT go down w/o a fight(compensation,compromise,etc.)

---NCAA credits

---possible lawsuits or complaints to the NCAA by schools or conferences

---differences of opinion among school presidents(who hate change),AD's,boards of control,and even state legislatures at individual schools

yep, I can't believe I had to go this deep into this thread to find a reality based post, I felt I was starting to lose brain cells before I got to it.

(09-17-2017 02:37 PM)SpaceRaider Wrote:  

(09-16-2017 02:02 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Some of these theories SOUND encouraging. How about some REALITY?

---exit fees?

---entrance fees?


---political influences

---schools who feel "left out" will NOT go down w/o a fight(compensation,compromise,etc.)

---NCAA credits

---possible lawsuits or complaints to the NCAA by schools or conferences

---differences of opinion among school presidents(who hate change),AD's,boards of control,and even state legislatures at individual schools

yep, I can't believe I had to go this deep into this thread to find a reality based post, I felt I was starting to lose brain cells before I got to it.

The REALITY points you mention are hogwash and moot from a USM standpoint other than exit fees. Exit fee would be more than offset within just a couple of years with savings on travel. Ncaa credit is a joke. New league could begin with no entrance fee. Legislatures in Missississippi dont give a hoot about what USM does in athletics, ncaa wont care either. Nobody has anything to fear unless they signed some kind of secret agreement with coda that would keep them from breaking away.

(09-17-2017 02:51 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 02:37 PM)SpaceRaider Wrote:  

(09-16-2017 02:02 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Some of these theories SOUND encouraging. How about some REALITY?

---exit fees?

---entrance fees?


---political influences

---schools who feel "left out" will NOT go down w/o a fight(compensation,compromise,etc.)

---NCAA credits

---possible lawsuits or complaints to the NCAA by schools or conferences

---differences of opinion among school presidents(who hate change),AD's,boards of control,and even state legislatures at individual schools

yep, I can't believe I had to go this deep into this thread to find a reality based post, I felt I was starting to lose brain cells before I got to it.

The REALITY points you mention are hogwash and moot from a USM standpoint other than exit fees. Exit fee would be more than offset within just a couple of years with savings on travel. Ncaa credit is a joke. New league could begin with no entrance fee. Legislatures in Missississippi dont give a hoot about what USM does in athletics, ncaa wont care either. Nobody has anything to fear unless they signed some kind of secret agreement with coda that would keep them from breaking away.

Yeah right, so $1 million plus in CFP Revenue. No Playoff or Bowls. Is that moot a point? USM revenue is one of the lowest with Tech and it would definitely hurt USM.

Seriously, it is not time to disband the conference but it is past time for UTEP to hit the restart button on it's football program. Yes, we have one. Today the OC was fired since there has been no offensive production to date. Expect our new AD, whoever that will be, to clean the football offices out after this season.

Realignment can be done and it would likely be financially beneficial to almost everyone. No one needs to be left out:

CUSA North - ODU, JMU, Liberty, Marshall, App State, Charlotte, Coast Carolina

CUSA South - WKU, MTSU, UAB, Ga State, Ga Southern, FIU, FAU

* Put CUSA Basketball Tourney in Charlotte (most drivable location)


Sunbelt East - Troy, S Ala, So Miss, La Tech, ULL, ULM

Sunbelt West - Ark St, UTSA, UTEP, Rice, N Texas, Tex St,

*Put Sunbelt Basketball Tourney in New Orleans (most drivable location)

Now negotiate which existing bowl contracts go to which leagues. Also, renegotiate the existing TV deals with both current CUSA and SBC TV partners (not talking huge money here so shouldn't be too difficult)


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(09-15-2017 09:41 AM)RowdyRoost Wrote:  I used to see the reasoning in keeping C-USA together despite the geographical stretch. We would get multiple NCAA tournament bids. Plenty of NCAA credits from those bids. We had a decent football bowl lineup. We had a TV contract that provided some extra money for the schools. We had a solid name brand. We had a visionary commissioner (Mike Slive... who would eventually go on to the SEC).

Now, we usually just get our 1 auto bid to the tournament. The NCAA credits are dried up. Our bowl lineup is a joke and we often lose money on these games. The TV contract is essentially non-existent. The C-USA name brand has lost all luster. And we have a commissioner that is basically just a place holder in title.

I honestly see little reason why we shouldn't disband and form 9-team regional conferences.

(09-17-2017 03:36 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  CUSA North - ODU, JMU, Liberty, Marshall, App State, Charlotte, Coast Carolina

CUSA South - WKU, MTSU, UAB, Ga State, Ga Southern, FIU, FAU

* Put CUSA Basketball Tourney in Charlotte (most drivable location)


Sunbelt East - Troy, S Ala, So Miss, La Tech, ULL, ULM

Sunbelt West - Ark St, UTSA, UTEP, Rice, N Texas, Tex St,

*Put Sunbelt Basketball Tourney in New Orleans (most drivable location)

Now negotiate which existing bowl contracts go to which leagues. Also, renegotiate the existing TV deals with both current CUSA and SBC TV partners (not talking huge money here so shouldn't be too difficult)


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C-USA is headquartered in Irving Texas. Based on your model, I think the conference names would be switched. Also, both conferences need to be limited to 10 teams.

Schools can't just be "left out". They would have no place to go and it would hamper the ability to make this happen.

Also, use the entrance fees paid by JMU and Liberty to offset the legal cost associated with the realignment. Any money left could them redistributed amongst the 24 existing CUSA and SBC schools.

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(09-17-2017 03:59 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  Schools can't just be "left out". They would have no place to go and it would hamper the ability to make this happen.

Also, use the entrance fees paid by JMU and Liberty to offset the legal cost associated with the realignment. Any money left could them redistributed amongst the 24 existing CUSA and SBC schools.

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The Belt already voted to kick Idaho and New Mexico State out of the conference. Temple was pushed out of the Big East. And U Mass was removed from the MAC. It can be done.

(09-17-2017 04:33 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 03:59 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  Schools can't just be "left out". They would have no place to go and it would hamper the ability to make this happen.

Also, use the entrance fees paid by JMU and Liberty to offset the legal cost associated with the realignment. Any money left could them redistributed amongst the 24 existing CUSA and SBC schools.

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The Belt already voted to kick Idaho and New Mexico State out of the conference. Temple was pushed out of the Big East. And U Mass was removed from the MAC. It can be done.

If I recall correctly, the Sunbelt didn't kick them out. They simply didn't renew the 2 year deal with them.

UMass was given an ultimatum, go all sports or get out. UMass choose "get out".

Temple was kicked to the curb by the conference. So it was done, once. That's the major reason why big east football has survived realignment.

Knowing your conference lacks loyalty will definitely ensure schools don't leave at the first opportunity.

(09-17-2017 03:36 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  Realignment can be done and it would likely be financially beneficial to almost everyone. No one needs to be left out:

CUSA North - ODU, JMU, Liberty, Marshall, App State, Charlotte, Coast Carolina

CUSA South - WKU, MTSU, UAB, Ga State, Ga Southern, FIU, FAU

* Put CUSA Basketball Tourney in Charlotte (most drivable location)


Sunbelt East - Troy, S Ala, So Miss, La Tech, ULL, ULM

Sunbelt West - Ark St, UTSA, UTEP, Rice, N Texas, Tex St,

*Put Sunbelt Basketball Tourney in New Orleans (most drivable location)

Now negotiate which existing bowl contracts go to which leagues. Also, renegotiate the existing TV deals with both current CUSA and SBC TV partners (not talking huge money here so shouldn't be too difficult)


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why would you want a conference greater than 12 members considering the CFP payout?

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(09-17-2017 03:59 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  Schools can't just be "left out". They would have no place to go and it would hamper the ability to make this happen.

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Sure they can. That's the only way these plans happen.

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(09-17-2017 03:36 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  Realignment can be done and it would likely be financially beneficial to almost everyone. No one needs to be left out:

CUSA North - ODU, JMU, Liberty, Marshall, App State, Charlotte, Coast Carolina

CUSA South - WKU, MTSU, UAB, Ga State, Ga Southern, FIU, FAU

* Put CUSA Basketball Tourney in Charlotte (most drivable location)


Sunbelt East - Troy, S Ala, So Miss, La Tech, ULL, ULM

Sunbelt West - Ark St, UTSA, UTEP, Rice, N Texas, Tex St,

*Put Sunbelt Basketball Tourney in New Orleans (most drivable location)

Now negotiate which existing bowl contracts go to which leagues. Also, renegotiate the existing TV deals with both current CUSA and SBC TV partners (not talking huge money here so shouldn't be too difficult)


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Must disagree. If something were to happen a select group of schools will need to dump the franchise names, CUSA and Sunbelt, and start from scratch. A move such as this must bring new energy to its programs. Keeping franchise names will only appear as free agency trade. Reason neither conference is successful is a.) consistent programs not achieving b.) distance. Under proposal mentioned above only one problem addressed and really isn't that well

Edit- and neither have a commissioner worth a turd.

(09-17-2017 03:59 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  Schools can't just be "left out". They would have no place to go and it would hamper the ability to make this happen.

What do you think happened at the fabled "Airport Meeting"? Yes you can bet your life that schools can very much be left out.

Quote:Also, use the entrance fees paid by JMU and Liberty to offset the legal cost associated with the realignment.

I'm liking this more and more.

(09-17-2017 06:51 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 03:59 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  Schools can't just be "left out". They would have no place to go and it would hamper the ability to make this happen.

What do you think happened at the fabled "Airport Meeting"? Yes you can bet your life that schools can very much be left out.

Quote:Also, use the entrance fees paid by JMU and Liberty to offset the legal cost associated with the realignment.

I'm liking this more and more.

2 FBS startups???? yeah, that'll fix everything for sure.

I think we can all agree that leaving schools out is very problematic. What I was trying to show is that a realignment can realistically happen. As far as Conference name change is concerned, so be it if that's what the schools want to do. That part would be easy.

I included JMU and Liberty to the mix because for the proposed CUSA North, they would be adding more to the pie (in reducing travel cost) than they would be taking (from the CFP payout).

I especially like Liberty as they bring such a huge upside. I do wonder if at this point they would even accept an invite.


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(09-17-2017 06:58 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 06:51 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 03:59 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  Also, use the entrance fees paid by JMU and Liberty to offset the legal cost associated with the realignment.

I'm liking this more and more.

2 FBS startups???? yeah, that'll fix everything for sure.

First of all, they are better than a lot of the established teams. Second, they would be placed with the left-behind version of CUSA or SBC. They wouldn't be placed in the new breakaway league.

(09-17-2017 11:45 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 08:19 AM)blazr Wrote:  Who said I was just talking about just football? And, in any case, UAB still has a higher ceiling in football. Tell me what else Troy can build to attract better athletes to Pike County? Troy has their own stadium and we already out-draw them...even in 2014 before the plug was pulled. Birmingham is about to build a new stadium near downtown to replace cavernous Legion Field. What's going to happen then? It's not BS. I may a UAB alum but this is a pragmatic assessment. The point is that the return for every $ invested in UAB athletics has the potential to be MUCH higher than that invested in Pike County. EDIT: And those don't belong on message boards, natch, so I'll leave this ball for you to toss around.

Does UAB teach people to make statements without doing research also?

Troy has outdrawn UAB every year since 2007, except for the 2014 season when Troy was having their worst season since joining 1A and UAB was having their first .500 or better season since 2004.

Since you basically are having an inaugural season again, of course your attendance this year is going to be higher than usual. It's no surprise if you outdraw Troy this year. There's been a lot of emotion and press about this season for UAB. I'll give it two years though, and you guys will be right back to averaging what you did pre-2014.

And Birmingham is building a downtown stadium soon?? You mean the stadium that is only a rendering on paper and nothing more than a PROPOSAL?

Also last time I checked, Troy has had some pretty solid recruiting classes, even landing a 4-star athlete this last go-round. And that was before we began building our new $24-million endzone facility.

You're definitely showing how much BS your full of in this thread.

Not sure why anyone even argues about attendance. Everyone's is generally bad

Even then, the actual attendance doesn't even matter. Only thing that matters is ticket sales numbers in terms of money

And I like Troy (except when we play), but you're limited by your location. You can't change it. UAB has access to more money and can peak higher simply due to location and metro area

Disagree about falling to pre 2014 numbers. 2006-2014 was full of bad coaching hires no one at UAB wanted with no backing from the admin, though a few wanted McGee. Like anyone else, it always depends on the head coach and anyone's attendance is vulnerable to a bad coaching job. UAB football feels pretty different this go around as far as support goes

Example: see Troy's 2011-2015 numbers


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