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RE: UC Soccer Thread: Men's Team has a week...beats #13 Kentucky and #19 BGSU
http://www.gobearcats.com/news/2017/9/18...wards.aspx

Offensive Player of the Week and Goalkeeper of the Week honors go to a couple of Bearcats! Someone mentioned Clarke earlier, just a freshman.
 
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RE: UC Soccer Thread: Men's Team has a week...beats #13 Kentucky and #19 BGSU
(09-18-2017 12:41 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  http://www.gobearcats.com/news/2017/9/18...wards.aspx

Offensive Player of the Week and Goalkeeper of the Week honors go to a couple of Bearcats! Someone mentioned Clarke earlier, just a freshman.

This is an extremely young team (even by college soccer standards), with only two seniors and 6 upperclassmen out of the 28. Very bright future with a lot of Freshmen and RS Freshmen already contributing (both of those listed above are).

Noah Lawrence, our first team keeper, is on the shortlist for U-19/U-20 USMNT camps every time they come out. If he were taller than 5'11" I doubt he would be in college right now.
 
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RE: UC Soccer Thread: Men's Team has a week...beats #13 Kentucky and #19 BGSU
(09-18-2017 10:34 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(09-18-2017 10:29 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(09-14-2017 11:14 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(09-14-2017 11:01 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(09-14-2017 10:10 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  Now that is a winner's attitude. I like it. 04-cheers

I heard Stafford speak at a UC event last year and I was extremely impressed with what he was doing competitively along with his emphasis on academics. Easy for me to say, but I believe UC should find the resources necessary to keep at least one rising star coach in a non-revenue sport in Clifton. I don't expect all the men's and women's non-revenue programs to win the conference every year but if women's soccer, for instance, became a dominant program in the AAC and established a national reputation it would only enhance the University's overall profile when P5 conferences start window shopping again.

Completely agree...the best Athletics Departments in the country (even those in lesser conferences) have at least one or two very strong non-revenues...and I think there is a lot of potential there in Women's Soccer and Volleyball given the fertile recruiting grounds we have in Ohio for those two sports as well as the strong coaches we've got. I love Coach Dayes (he's the guy who brought me to UC), but I think we need to recharge the coaching ranks in Men's Soccer and we could stand to substantially improve there...I mean, hell, we won a Big East title so there is definitely a chance.

Why not cultivate soccer into a revenue sport? If people like bearcat Mark can get excited over FCC, these same people can certainly get excited about Division 1 soccer. I'd like to see our soccer teams play in Nippert.

I don't know if that would be logistically possible for a full season given how much overlap there would be there, but it would be a cool idea for a one-off. And comparing college soccer to professional soccer is not really like-to-like. From a former college soccer player, the level of play/competition and overall skill is just light years away...and don't get me started on how un-spectator friendly women's soccer is in college unless you really actively appreciate the sport, rather than just go for the event (like most of the FCC people do.

Let's not turn this thread into another FCC debate though.

My comments weren't about FCC. They were about cultivating interest FCC-like interest in other sports, including soccer. Major schools garner significant fan support for wrestling, baseball, softball, etc. Soccer can be like that here.

I'm not sure I'm buying your professional vs. colleges argument. The Same argument can be made for college basketball and football as well.
 
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RE: UC Soccer Thread: Men's Team has a week...beats #13 Kentucky and #19 BGSU
(09-18-2017 01:26 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(09-18-2017 10:34 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I don't know if that would be logistically possible for a full season given how much overlap there would be there, but it would be a cool idea for a one-off. And comparing college soccer to professional soccer is not really like-to-like. From a former college soccer player, the level of play/competition and overall skill is just light years away...and don't get me started on how un-spectator friendly women's soccer is in college unless you really actively appreciate the sport, rather than just go for the event (like most of the FCC people do.

Let's not turn this thread into another FCC debate though.

My comments weren't about FCC. They were about cultivating interest FCC-like interest in other sports, including soccer. Major schools garner significant fan support for wrestling, baseball, softball, etc. Soccer can be like that here.

I'm. It sure I'm buying your professional vs. colleges argument. The Sam me a
Regiment an be made for basketball and football as well.

I'm not sure of any schools that have "significant" fan support for wrestling, but I agree with your logic otherwise. I think it's possible, but Nippert isn't feasible logistically.

From what I can decipher of your second statement...I think you're trying to compare soccer pro/collegiate followings versus basketball and football, which just isn't apples to apples given the nature of those sports professionally and historically in American culture. It's like trying to do the same for basketball or football in Europe...their culture/athletic history is aligned to soccer, and that's why NFL Europe collapsed and Eurobasket doesn't hold a higher market share while 3rd and 4th division soccer sides can pull 10,000-20,000 person crowds consistently in Europe/countries and cities with a fraction of our population (FCC is WAYYYY off the skewpath on that line in the US).
 
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RE: UC Soccer Thread: Men's Team has a week...beats #13 Kentucky and #19 BGSU
I think with the whole FCC vs. UC Soccer support is that you have to take in consideration is that people who support UC soccer are/will be fans of UC athletics. FCC is getting that crossover of people who do not support UC athletics (in fact, many of them are either not into college sports or are fans of other schools).

With respect to other sports, with the exception of some of the schools in the Plains States wrestling gets little support (OK, OK State, Iowa, Iowa State, etc.). Even Ohio State and Penn State who field very good wrestling programs do not get a lot in terms of support. Softball is very well supported and now gets a lot of exposure on ESPN and Fox Sports. If UC were to invest in another program I think there is opportunity there
 
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RE: UC Soccer Thread: Men's Team has a week...beats #13 Kentucky and #19 BGSU
(09-18-2017 12:19 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(09-18-2017 12:17 PM)Bearcat1010 Wrote:  Drifting further off the original thread topic. Are all scholarship sports at UC fully funded? Mens soccer can award up to 9.9 scholarships - does UC use them all currently?

When I was here, 2005-2009, they were and I haven't heard otherwise on the soccer front. I know Men's Track and Field, Baseball, and Swimming and Diving were not for a spell, but I believe they are now as well.

I think all programs were given full scholarship support under either Bohn, or Babcock.
 
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RE: UC Soccer Thread: Men's Team has a week...beats #13 Kentucky and #19 BGSU
(09-18-2017 01:54 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I think with the whole FCC vs. UC Soccer support is that you have to take in consideration is that people who support UC soccer are/will be fans of UC athletics. FCC is getting that crossover of people who do not support UC athletics (in fact, many of them are either not into college sports or are fans of other schools).

With respect to other sports, with the exception of some of the schools in the Plains States wrestling gets little support (OK, OK State, Iowa, Iowa State, etc.). Even Ohio State and Penn State who field very good wrestling programs do not get a lot in terms of support. Softball is very well supported and now gets a lot of exposure on ESPN and Fox Sports. If UC were to invest in another program I think there is opportunity there

I did a quick survey of baseball. The SEC, of course, is attendance King. LSU drew over 400,000 in 2017. Florida - at #10 in the SEC - drew 159,000. Colleges tend to be feeders to the big leagues.
 
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RE: UC Soccer Thread: Men's Team has a week...beats #13 Kentucky and #19 BGSU
Interesting read on wrestling attendance:

http://www.flowrestling.org/article/5472...cAeW0EpCEc
 
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RE: UC Soccer Thread: Men's Team has a week...beats #13 Kentucky and #19 BGSU
(09-18-2017 02:30 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  Interesting read on wrestling attendance:

http://www.flowrestling.org/article/5472...cAeW0EpCEc

That seems like two huge exceptions based on special occassions...Iowa averaged 8,500 fans and that was number 1 in the NCAA by almost 1,000 over Penn State (7,740), and beat number 3 Minnesota by 3,000.

For reference, there were only 7 teams that averaged over 2,000/meet and 10 that averaged over 1,000/meet. Realistically, Football, Basketball, and southern Baseball are the only college sports that draw well consistently. All other wide-reaching college sports are in the mid to low 1000's of people average on VERY good days, and struggle for 1,000 in most cases...soccer isn't an outlier, it adheres to the rule...hell look at the #3 sport, baseball...even they have issues drawing anywhere near the number of basketball and football, and they have professional implements too ( http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/baseball_R...attend.pdf ).

Couldn't find 2016 figures, but here are 2015 ( http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_soccer_R...ndance.pdf )...as you can see, I don't think there is any way to get people to watch college soccer. The level of play, watchability, and overall desire just isn't there.
 
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RE: UC Soccer Thread: Men's Team has a week...beats #13 Kentucky and #19 BGSU
(09-18-2017 02:27 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  Softball is very well supported and now gets a lot of exposure on ESPN and Fox Sports. If UC were to invest in another program I think there is opportunity there


That's the one sport that always baffled me...outside of the obvious lack of facilities, that feels like a natural add. Much more than women's lacrosse.
 
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Lacrosse is a sport of people with more money.
 
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RE: UC Soccer Thread: Men's Team has a week...beats #13 Kentucky and #19 BGSU
(09-18-2017 03:29 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  Lacrosse is a sport of people with more money.

My former boss's husband coached lacrosse at local high schools and her son played in college. I think it would be a good add. Fun to watch. The more affluent high schools tend to carry the sport. You get both good athletes and good students.

Since I'm on my phone, I'm unable to fully explain my position, but I will say that it has long been my belief that UC has forever sucked at capturing the imagination of the average sports fan. They seem to focus on the big donor.

I don't see any reason why UC cannot become a soccer dynasty. Get the reputation now while the sport's popularity has significant upward potential
 
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(09-18-2017 11:30 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(09-18-2017 11:24 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(09-18-2017 10:34 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I don't know if that would be logistically possible for a full season given how much overlap there would be there, but it would be a cool idea for a one-off. And comparing college soccer to professional soccer is not really like-to-like. From a former college soccer player, the level of play/competition and overall skill is just light years away...and don't get me started on how un-spectator friendly women's soccer is in college unless you really actively appreciate the sport, rather than just go for the event (like most of the FCC people do.

Let's not turn this thread into another FCC debate though.

Division I soccer at its best is very similar to the minor league that FCC plays in.

And with the small crowds at Gettler, its painfully obvious not many people actually care about the sport. Hard to make the 'its fun in Clifton' argument either.

I'm guessing you haven't watched much of either...I played for a Big East Championship winning team and we would've gotten run out of practically every game in the NASL, USL, etc. There is an incredibly big gap between college and the professional game. There's a reason why very few American college players make it any further.

Followed Akron from start to finish during its run to the National Championship in 2010 since I have a family connection with the program. That team certainly could compete and win against the likes of Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Ottawa, etc. And as we saw with FCC's run against MLS teams many D-1 programs would win against the third tier USL league.
 
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Women play #14 Central Florida to kick off the conference season at Gettler tomorrow (9/21) at 7pm. They dropped out of the top 25 after their loss at LSU, however, they remain in the Top 20 in active RPI with 2 Top 50 wins (Purdue and Northwestern).
 
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RE: UC Soccer Thread: #20 (RPI) Women draw #14 UCF, beat UConn and USF, now 8-1-2 (2-0-1)
Quote:Bearcats Play #14 UCF to Scoreless Draw in AAC Opener

Madison Less stops career-high seven shots to keep Knights off the board

CINCINNATI - Madison Less recorded a career-high seven saves to anchor the University of Cincinnati women's soccer team to a scoreless draw with visiting #14 UCF Thursday night in the American Athletic Conference opener for both teams at Gettler Stadium. The tie saw the Bearcats move to 6-1-2 overall on the year while the Knights, playing their first match since September 3 because of Hurricane Irma, moved to 4-1-1 overall.

The Bearcats, coming off their first loss of the season last week at LSU (1-0), finished the match with nine shots to UCF's 15, marking just the second time UC has been out-shot this season (1-0-1 in those matches). Defensively, Less' performance was clutch for the Bearcats as she recorded seven saves, bettering her previous best of four stops at LSU last week.

// QUICK NOTES
• The Bearcats moved to 6-1-2 on the year while UCF moved to 4-1-1 overall
• The series remains tied at 3-3-2
• UC moved to 0-0-2 in overtime matches this year after tying Pittsburgh, 2-2, earlier this year
• The Bearcats are now 4-0-2 at home in 2017
• UC is now 11-11-2 all-time in its first conference match of the season and 8-11-5 in their first home conference match of the year
• The tie marks the second year in a row that UC's first home conference match of the year ended in a 0-0 draw (vs. Houston)
• Madison Less recorded a career-high seven saves in goal, improving her previous best of four (at LSU, 9/14/17)
• Vanessa Gilles started her 71st career match, leaving her one shy of the 10th-most in program history
• Senior Lizzie Ehrnfelt made her season debut for the Bearcats and played 16 minutes in her return

Both teams raced up and down the pitch much of the night with neither back line conceding many solid chances. In the first half, UCF had the first attempt of the night as they launched a shot from distance that Less easily gobbled up. Then, in the 25', Jill Vetere had a great look on goal, but her shot just went wide to keep the match scoreless. The Knights had another good chance in the final minutes of the first half as they got in close to the goal and took a shot from five feet out the Less slid in front of and blocked away to keep zeros on the board.

Following the intermission, it was the Bearcats' turn for another close attempt and it came in the 67'. First, Taylor Pavlika played the ball in from outside the box and saw it bounce off the crossbar. From there, Sophie Gorman fired a shot from close range only to see UCF keeper Vera Varis make the save to keep UC off the board.

The biggest threat of the night, however, came in the 78'. UC earned a free kick from the right side with Pavlika playing the ball into the box. The UCF keeper came off her line to try and clear the ball away, but Vanessa Gilles got her head to it first and sent a shot looping into the air. It came down near the line with Vetere hitting the ball with her head and into the net, but the goal was waved off as offsides was whistled on the Bearcats.

In the 85', UCF took another crack at breaking the scoreless draw with a shot that rung off the crossbar and back into the field of play before the Bearcats sent the ball flying to clear the danger away. In overtime, it was more of the same as UCF, just three minutes into the extra session, hit the crossbar again. Then, in the 99', Vetere nearly got the winner, but her shot just missed wide and the match would end up scoreless.

Quote:Vetere’s First UC Goal Gives Bearcats 1-0 Victory at UConn

UC moves to 2-0-1 in AAC action as junior transfer helps secure team’s eighth of the year

CINCINNATI - Jill Vetere notched her first goal as a member of the team and the defense posted its third clean sheet in a row as the University of Cincinnati women's soccer team collected a 1-0 victory over host UConn at Morrone Stadium in Storrs, Conn., Thursday night. The win, UC's first at UConn in the five matches played, pushed the Bearcats to 8-1-2 overall this year and improved them to 2-0-1 in the American Athletic Conference while the Huskies slipped to 2-5-3 overall and 0-1-0 following the league opener.

"Our second half performance was something I will always remember about tonight," Head Coach Neil Stafford said. "The way we played, with the determination, grit and grind, showed me this team gets it. The way we played in the second half was the opposite of our match at LSU. I am so proud of the character of these players and how they handled our tactical change(s) by playing in a formation that we maybe haven't used much this year. The ladies showed their grit by adapting to the roles we needed them to play and I am so proud of that effort.

"Being from New England and getting my 50th win at Cincinnati here, against a storied UConn program and against Len Tsantiris, who I have a great deal of respect, is something special," Stafford said. "While it is special, I think I will remember this win more for how this team came together and fought to the finish. We were without a couple of key contributors tonight but that didn't stop our players from reacting positively and doing what was needed to be successful. We have a young team with a large group of freshmen and sophomores and they all stepped up tonight with true grit and determination. This wasn't a pretty win, but it is a win and I am extremely proud of how the players & coaches grinded out that win. That is what great programs do."

Vetere, a local product that transferred into the program from Louisville this past summer, was in the right place at the right time as Katy Couperus' shot from distance rang the crossbar and deflected down to Vetere, who hit a half-volley into the back of the net to give the guests a 1-0 lead in the 66'. From there, the Bearcats defense continued to keep the hosts out of the score column to post their seventh shutout of the season through 11 matches. Currently, the defense not only has held all three AAC foes scoreless this year, but currently holds a streak of 336:23 minutes of match time since the last goal was surrendered (at LSU), the sixth-longest streak at UC since the start of the 2001 season and the third-longest since Stafford and his coaching staff took over the program.

Speaking of Stafford, with the win, he collected the 50th win of his Bearcats coaching career while also seeing UConn to just its second home loss in AAC action (since 2013). The Huskies had not lost at home since a 2-0 defeat to USF on October 17, 2014, a span in which they had gone 10-0-0. This is the second time the Bearcats have halted a home winning streak this season as UC's 2-1 win at Northwestern (September 3) was the first home loss (in all competitions) for the Wildcats since a defeat on October 12, 2014.

// QUICK NOTES
• The Bearcats moved to 8-1-2 overall and 2-0-1 in league play on the year while UConn fell to 2-5-3 overall and 0-1-0
• UC is now 12-11-1 all-time in its first road conference match of the year and has won two in a row
• The Bearcats are undefeated in their first road AAC match played dating back to the 2013 season when the league formed, posting a 4-0-1 record (2-1 at Houston, 3-0 at ECU, 2-2 at SMU, 2-0 at ECU and now 1-0 at UConn)
• The win for UC is its first at UConn after going 0-3-1 in the previous four matches in Storrs and cuts the Huskies' advantage in the series to 5-4-2 all-time
• The loss for UConn is their first in AAC play at home since a 2-0 set back to USF on October 17, 2014. It also is just their second loss in AAC home matches since the league started in 2013 with the Huskies falling to 14-2-2 in that span
• The Bearcats have shutout all three AAC foes it has faced this year, including a 0-0 tie with #14 UCF and 1-0 wins over USF and UConn
• With the clean sheet, UC has not allowed a goal in the last 336:23 of play, a streak that ranks as the sixth-longest for the program dating back to the start of the 2001 season and the third-longest under head coach Neil Stafford
• Speaking of Stafford, the win tonight is the 50th in his career at UC
• Jill Vetere scored her first goal as a Bearcat and also her first game-winning score with the team
• Katy Couperus was credited with the assist, the 11th of her UC career
• Madison Less recorded one save while the defense in front of her blocked six different attempts on the night
• Vanessa Gilles made her 75th career start for the Bearcats to tie Heather Herweh (1999-02) for the ninth-most in UC history
 
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Just an update, the women's team is currently 10-1-2 and ranked around 19th in the country in most all of the polls.
 
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(09-18-2017 03:29 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  Lacrosse is a sport of people with more money.

Doss plays
 
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(09-18-2017 03:29 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  Lacrosse is a sport of people with more money.

Doss plays
No but wealthy Jim Brown did.
 
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RE: UC Soccer Thread: #19 (UCI/RPI) Women now 10-1-2 (3-0-1) w/ 516 minute shutout streak
Speaking of lacrosse, the women's team is currently playing in the Big East. Starting next year they will be in the American Athletic Conference, which includes UConn, Temple, Florida, Vanderbilt, Temple and ECU.

https://t.co/I1XiEDSY1X
 
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(10-11-2017 01:08 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Speaking of lacrosse, the women's team is currently playing in the Big East. Starting next year they will be in the American Athletic Conference, which includes UConn, Temple, Florida, Vanderbilt, Temple and ECU.

https://t.co/I1XiEDSY1X

Oh wow. I had no idea the American would be sponsoring lacrosse. Great move on the conference's part.
 
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