(09-10-2017 08:45 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 08:27 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 08:17 PM)Golota Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 07:57 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 07:49 PM)Arrowhead Wrote:  Shocked at the sensitivity and am obviously going to get nowhere trying to explain that I'm not attacking Coastal. So, let's see how impressed Vegas is by Coastal. I wouldn't call 3 point favorites over UAB, a school that didn't have a team last year impressed. In comparison, we are 5 point dogs to a good USM team.

Serious question. Do you know how vegas odds are set?

How are they set?

They are set to balance action on both sides so that books can profit from the vig. However, if there were a better indicator of game outcomes than Vegas odds then someone would use that and Vegas would be out of business.

There is not a better publicly available indicator of game outcomes than Vegas odds.

It has nothing to do with predicting game outcomes. It has everything to do with predicting the betting public's perception of game outcomes.

Therefore, it's safe to assume that most of the betting public is not going to think a first year FBS team is going to win any given FBS game in their first season. So how do you balance the betting action on both sides? It's simple. You lower the expectations for Coastal on the betting line to try and entice people to take Coastal in their bet.

So if you're predicting a first year FBS team to win, you better keep the spread low so you can still entice people to take them.

It doesn't mean you think Coastal will only win by 3....it means that you think the betting public won't have confidence in a first year FBS squad.

That's what you see reflected there, and you'll see it all year when you look at the lines on Coastal games.

You're out of your depth and not listening/comprehending. I suspect you don't know who Billy Walters is. There is REAL money at stake. Markets are indicative of outcomes.

(09-10-2017 08:48 PM)SENOREIDA Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 08:17 PM)Golota Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 07:57 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 07:49 PM)Arrowhead Wrote:  Shocked at the sensitivity and am obviously going to get nowhere trying to explain that I'm not attacking Coastal. So, let's see how impressed Vegas is by Coastal. I wouldn't call 3 point favorites over UAB, a school that didn't have a team last year impressed. In comparison, we are 5 point dogs to a good USM team.

Serious question. Do you know how vegas odds are set?

How are they set?

What's up with the Money Mayweather thing? What's does that have to do in reference to me? Is that the gif I should have used when your fans thought a win against crap UMASS was the SBC signature win but NMSU had the bigger win?

(09-10-2017 09:37 PM)Golota Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 08:48 PM)SENOREIDA Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 08:17 PM)Golota Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 07:57 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 07:49 PM)Arrowhead Wrote:  Shocked at the sensitivity and am obviously going to get nowhere trying to explain that I'm not attacking Coastal. So, let's see how impressed Vegas is by Coastal. I wouldn't call 3 point favorites over UAB, a school that didn't have a team last year impressed. In comparison, we are 5 point dogs to a good USM team.

Serious question. Do you know how vegas odds are set?

How are they set?

What's up with the Money Mayweather thing? What's does that have to do in reference to me? Is that the gif I should have used when your fans thought a win against crap UMASS was the SBC signature win but NMSU had the bigger win?

He was trying to infer that Vegas lines are set to make money. They are put to draw enough bets from both sides that Vegas wins in the end.

(09-10-2017 09:37 PM)Golota Wrote:  What's up with the Money Mayweather thing? What's does that have to do in reference to me? Is that the gif I should have used when your fans thought a win against crap UMASS was the SBC signature win but NMSU had the bigger win?

What Coastal fan said it was the signature win for the SBC? But, until around 11pm or so last night it was... The next best team the conference defeated was SE Louisianna who got smoked by Bethune Cookman this week ... UMass isn't a good team I agree with you on that one, but we'll take it just like we'll take a W against a 0-3 ULM in a few weeks when we play you guys. I just hope when we've been FBS as long as y'all we're not circling the recent FCS callup as our "signature" win on the season...

Coastal-ULM rivalry.

Who woulda thought? I love it.

(09-10-2017 08:52 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 08:45 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 08:27 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 08:17 PM)Golota Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 07:57 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  Serious question. Do you know how vegas odds are set?

How are they set?

They are set to balance action on both sides so that books can profit from the vig. However, if there were a better indicator of game outcomes than Vegas odds then someone would use that and Vegas would be out of business.

There is not a better publicly available indicator of game outcomes than Vegas odds.

It has nothing to do with predicting game outcomes. It has everything to do with predicting the betting public's perception of game outcomes.

Therefore, it's safe to assume that most of the betting public is not going to think a first year FBS team is going to win any given FBS game in their first season. So how do you balance the betting action on both sides? It's simple. You lower the expectations for Coastal on the betting line to try and entice people to take Coastal in their bet.

So if you're predicting a first year FBS team to win, you better keep the spread low so you can still entice people to take them.

It doesn't mean you think Coastal will only win by 3....it means that you think the betting public won't have confidence in a first year FBS squad.

That's what you see reflected there, and you'll see it all year when you look at the lines on Coastal games.

You're out of your depth and not listening/comprehending. I suspect you don't know who Billy Walters is. There is REAL money at stake. Markets are indicative of outcomes.

(09-10-2017 10:02 PM)CCUBrad Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 09:37 PM)Golota Wrote:  What's up with the Money Mayweather thing? What's does that have to do in reference to me? Is that the gif I should have used when your fans thought a win against crap UMASS was the SBC signature win but NMSU had the bigger win?

What Coastal fan said it was the signature win for the SBC? But, until around 11pm or so last night it was... The next best team the conference defeated was SE Louisianna who got smoked by Bethune Cookman this week ... UMass isn't a good team I agree with you on that one, but we'll take it just like we'll take a W against a 0-3 ULM in a few weeks when we play you guys. I just hope when we've been FBS as long as y'all we're not circling the recent FCS callup as our "signature" win on the season...

It's a joke about the signature win. You guys keeping talking about it being such an important win for the conference. Of course you'll always take a win but damn y'all acting like y'all beat a P5 team. That ULM game isn't going to be that easy. When we went FBS we didn't have a nice conference to jump into. We beat SEC teams the first couple of years too. Maybe beat 4 SEC / ACC team twice, Beat a SEC #8 team and beat a Bama then we can talk signature wins in FBS. Good job on the UMASS win.

(09-10-2017 10:13 PM)_x_ Wrote:  Coastal-ULM rivalry.

Who woulda thought? I love it.

Sad thing is no one was even talking smack. I didn't know CC fans were so sensitive. You can't even say you think you'll win the game without them getting butt hurt. I haven't heard a team brag about a UMASS win so much in my life. Jeez

(09-10-2017 10:21 PM)Golota Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 08:52 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 08:45 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 08:27 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 08:17 PM)Golota Wrote:  How are they set?

They are set to balance action on both sides so that books can profit from the vig. However, if there were a better indicator of game outcomes than Vegas odds then someone would use that and Vegas would be out of business.

There is not a better publicly available indicator of game outcomes than Vegas odds.

It has nothing to do with predicting game outcomes. It has everything to do with predicting the betting public's perception of game outcomes.

Therefore, it's safe to assume that most of the betting public is not going to think a first year FBS team is going to win any given FBS game in their first season. So how do you balance the betting action on both sides? It's simple. You lower the expectations for Coastal on the betting line to try and entice people to take Coastal in their bet.

So if you're predicting a first year FBS team to win, you better keep the spread low so you can still entice people to take them.

It doesn't mean you think Coastal will only win by 3....it means that you think the betting public won't have confidence in a first year FBS squad.

That's what you see reflected there, and you'll see it all year when you look at the lines on Coastal games.

You're out of your depth and not listening/comprehending. I suspect you don't know who Billy Walters is. There is REAL money at stake. Markets are indicative of outcomes.

(09-10-2017 10:02 PM)CCUBrad Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 09:37 PM)Golota Wrote:  What's up with the Money Mayweather thing? What's does that have to do in reference to me? Is that the gif I should have used when your fans thought a win against crap UMASS was the SBC signature win but NMSU had the bigger win?

What Coastal fan said it was the signature win for the SBC? But, until around 11pm or so last night it was... The next best team the conference defeated was SE Louisianna who got smoked by Bethune Cookman this week ... UMass isn't a good team I agree with you on that one, but we'll take it just like we'll take a W against a 0-3 ULM in a few weeks when we play you guys. I just hope when we've been FBS as long as y'all we're not circling the recent FCS callup as our "signature" win on the season...

It's a joke about the signature win. You guys keeping talking about it being such an important win for the conference. Of course you'll always take a win but damn y'all acting like y'all beat a P5 team. That ULM game isn't going to be that easy. When we went FBS we didn't have a nice conference to jump into. We beat SEC teams the first couple of years too. Maybe beat 4 SEC / ACC team twice, Beat a SEC #8 team and beat a Bama then we can talk signature wins in FBS. Good job on the UMASS win.

I bet you followed those very impressive seasons up with some nice bowl victories too didn't you?

Coastal fans y'all are a fragile bunch. Good luck to you. Y'all should get those UMASS win t shirts printed and sell at book store.

(09-10-2017 10:29 PM)CCUBrad Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 10:21 PM)Golota Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 08:52 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 08:45 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 08:27 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  They are set to balance action on both sides so that books can profit from the vig. However, if there were a better indicator of game outcomes than Vegas odds then someone would use that and Vegas would be out of business.

There is not a better publicly available indicator of game outcomes than Vegas odds.

It has nothing to do with predicting game outcomes. It has everything to do with predicting the betting public's perception of game outcomes.

Therefore, it's safe to assume that most of the betting public is not going to think a first year FBS team is going to win any given FBS game in their first season. So how do you balance the betting action on both sides? It's simple. You lower the expectations for Coastal on the betting line to try and entice people to take Coastal in their bet.

So if you're predicting a first year FBS team to win, you better keep the spread low so you can still entice people to take them.

It doesn't mean you think Coastal will only win by 3....it means that you think the betting public won't have confidence in a first year FBS squad.

That's what you see reflected there, and you'll see it all year when you look at the lines on Coastal games.

You're out of your depth and not listening/comprehending. I suspect you don't know who Billy Walters is. There is REAL money at stake. Markets are indicative of outcomes.

(09-10-2017 10:02 PM)CCUBrad Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 09:37 PM)Golota Wrote:  What's up with the Money Mayweather thing? What's does that have to do in reference to me? Is that the gif I should have used when your fans thought a win against crap UMASS was the SBC signature win but NMSU had the bigger win?

What Coastal fan said it was the signature win for the SBC? But, until around 11pm or so last night it was... The next best team the conference defeated was SE Louisianna who got smoked by Bethune Cookman this week ... UMass isn't a good team I agree with you on that one, but we'll take it just like we'll take a W against a 0-3 ULM in a few weeks when we play you guys. I just hope when we've been FBS as long as y'all we're not circling the recent FCS callup as our "signature" win on the season...

It's a joke about the signature win. You guys keeping talking about it being such an important win for the conference. Of course you'll always take a win but damn y'all acting like y'all beat a P5 team. That ULM game isn't going to be that easy. When we went FBS we didn't have a nice conference to jump into. We beat SEC teams the first couple of years too. Maybe beat 4 SEC / ACC team twice, Beat a SEC #8 team and beat a Bama then we can talk signature wins in FBS. Good job on the UMASS win.

I bet you followed those very impressive seasons up with some nice bowl victories too didn't you?

Nope! But we do have some signature wins other than crappy UMASS. You guys act like y'all are APP and Ga Southern usually a team wins a National Title before they more up. Even ole crappy ULM has a FCS title.

Yeah we should definitely get those t shirts made. The Sunbelt needs a replacement for the stagnant sales of those 20th century turtlenecks from your last championship...

(09-10-2017 09:27 AM)Arrowhead Wrote:  Another tough week to do the power poll with several teams not playing, but I'll give it a go. Mine is a combination of best of this week and the season overall. I'm putting NMSU first for their play as of late, but can't honestly say I'm convinced for example that they would beat Ark St. Here goes:

1) NMSU
2) stAte
3) App St.
4) Troy
5) ULM
6) Coastal
7) ULL
8) USA
9) Idaho
10) Georgia Southern
11) Texas St.
12) Georgia St.

People forget Rogers and Rose were hurt a good part of last year.
Figured before the year they'd be really good on offense, still not sure about the Aggie D.

(09-10-2017 11:04 AM)sdcritter Wrote:  This week:

1. NMSU
2. App St.
3. Troy

Everyone else.

I really hate the situation we're in. Miami would have defined us as a team. Now we have an FCS (UAPB) and then on to a resurgent SMU. I'm afraid the team will be overconfident going to SMU.

I suspect there is no one on our schedule that Blake Anderson wants to beat more than SMU.

Just before Anderson was announced as head coach, Terry Mohajir had tweeted he thought AState had their man, he had forgotten to turn off the location and it showed the tweet was from Clemson, SC. Chad Morris then backed out because his daughter was going to be a senior. Then Anderson got the job.

Anderson played at Baylor before he got hurt and transferred and by all accounts he was seriously considered for the Baylor job with Football Scoop reporting they were at the point of talking contract terms until Rhule became interested but Morris had been offered the job with a 7-17 record at SMU well before Anderson was contacted.

Figure he's about tired of Morris being the chosen one.

(09-10-2017 11:41 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I still get a chuckle how folks take offense to a fan generated power poll that 99% of the time has the fan VASTLY overrating their team.

Aside from that laughter, I am happy for the following this week:

NMSU getting their win over their rival. That's always a big thing, and ensures the season is not a total loss.
Happy about the way that Texas State played. If we get any semblance of an offense, we might be onto something here (we got smoked, and I knew the second half would be rough, but it was still encouraging, which is all I can ask for).

Sad for the following:
- Georgia Southern losing. My hopes for the conference to be successful this season was going undefeated against FCS, and unfortunately the two Georgia schools are having problems. It really sucks for their fans, and is not great on the conference.
- stAte because I really do think that playing Miami would have been a good, fun game.

Moving on to next week, where we have a REALLY tough game against App. Glad to have them come to Texas to enjoy what looks to be good tailgate/football weather, and I get to see them in person.
Plus, we have the Cajuns playing A&M, which is INFINITELY winnable for the Cajuns, but will be a tough game.
Idaho is playing Western Michigan which should be fun.
USM/ULM... Another fun game.
CCU is playing UAB, which is an INTERESTING game.
And Troy faces NMSU... Two Sun Belt teams which have looked pretty solid early on.
The other teams I didn't mention because they are playing FCS or P5 teams which really at this point, don't interest me (I don't see them being competitive).

So I'm really looking forward to week 3.

Only time this thing has ever irked me was in 2015 when Georgia State playing AState tough in Jonesboro was harped on as why AState wasn't the best team in the league. I spent a good part of AState's home finale against TXST watching Georgia State roll Georgia Southern on my phone.

(09-10-2017 06:15 PM)Arrowhead Wrote:  I'm not saying we are great and that you guys aren't. That's what I keep trying to explain. If we had beaten UMass like y'all did and people were saying how great we are, then I'd be saying the same thing about us, except that we have been FBS for years and you haven't. As a program we have a lot we have nice wins over Saban led Alabama, #8 Arkansas, Kentucky, 2 wins against Wake Forest, and Mississippi St. Admittedly our last P5 win was 2013, but I would put our premiere game wins against anyone in the conference. But again, you guys may stomp us this year. I was just saying a win over UMass doesn't make y'all the 2nd coming. As a newbie you have more to prove. And I wasn't even really talking to Coastal fans. You guys haven't made any of those claims. In fact replace Coastal with any other team I'd say the same. We also don't know if ULM is good either. We played a competitive game against a good team in a monsoon. They may have curb stomped us in clear weather, but we have a tough game this weekend and will find out a lot more. Good luck to the Chants this year. I honestly wish y'all the best except against us.

Honestly, pretty much anything at this point is not much past wild ass guess.
Non-conference isn't especially predictive in the Sun Belt.

2012 ULM beat Arkansas and rolled Tulane, took Auburn to OT and lost by 5 to Baylor and went 6-2 in the conference, tying for second.
Last year USA had two quality non-conference wins and went 2-6 in conference. AState bombed non-conference and went 7-1.

(09-10-2017 08:45 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 08:27 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 08:17 PM)Golota Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 07:57 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 07:49 PM)Arrowhead Wrote:  Shocked at the sensitivity and am obviously going to get nowhere trying to explain that I'm not attacking Coastal. So, let's see how impressed Vegas is by Coastal. I wouldn't call 3 point favorites over UAB, a school that didn't have a team last year impressed. In comparison, we are 5 point dogs to a good USM team.

Serious question. Do you know how vegas odds are set?

How are they set?

They are set to balance action on both sides so that books can profit from the vig. However, if there were a better indicator of game outcomes than Vegas odds then someone would use that and Vegas would be out of business.

There is not a better publicly available indicator of game outcomes than Vegas odds.

It has nothing to do with predicting game outcomes. It has everything to do with predicting the betting public's perception of game outcomes.

Therefore, it's safe to assume that most of the betting public is not going to think a first year FBS team is going to win any given FBS game in their first season. So how do you balance the betting action on both sides? It's simple. You lower the expectations for Coastal on the betting line to try and entice people to take Coastal in their bet.

So if you're predicting a first year FBS team to win, you better keep the spread low so you can still entice people to take them.

It doesn't mean you think Coastal will only win by 3....it means that you think the betting public won't have confidence in a first year FBS squad.

That's what you see reflected there, and you'll see it all year when you look at the lines on Coastal games.

If you presume most of the money put on games is from Bubba betting on Texas Tech because he's a Texas Tech fan or Joe Bob looking at the line and think whatever SEC team is gonna whup up on whatever non-conference team then balancing the money is about the perceptions of uninformed bettors.

The reality is there is a lot of money wagered and the bulk of the real money is people who obsess over power ratings, team performance, injury reports, and such.

If the Bubbas bet Auburn heavily because they think Auburn is going to stomp a Sun Belt team the line climbs and the serious bettors jump in to grab a bargain until they drive it back down.

Number of CCU fans who have called the UMASS win a "signature win for the conference": 0

Number of CCU fans who have called Coastal the second coming: 0

Number of Coastal fans who have said Coastal is the best in the conference: 0

Number of Coastal fans who have even bragged to other Sun Belt members about beating UMASS on this site: 0

Number of ULM fans who have mastered the Straw Man logical fallacy: at least 2

Golota and Arrowhead, for your light reading:

http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/educati...n-argument

1 - Everyone
Next to Dead Last - Georgia State
Dead Fooking Last - Georgia Southern

(09-11-2017 06:30 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  Number of CCU fans who have called the UMASS win a "signature win for the conference": 0

Number of CCU fans who have called Coastal the second coming: 0

Number of Coastal fans who have said Coastal is the best in the conference: 0

Number of Coastal fans who have even bragged to other Sun Belt members about beating UMASS on this site: 0

Number of ULM fans who have mastered the Straw Man logical fallacy: at least 2

Golota and Arrowhead, for your light reading:

http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/educati...n-argument

Go back and read and tell me where I said any of those things.

(09-11-2017 06:30 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  Number of CCU fans who have called the UMASS win a "signature win for the conference": 0

Number of CCU fans who have called Coastal the second coming: 0

Number of Coastal fans who have said Coastal is the best in the conference: 0

Number of Coastal fans who have even bragged to other Sun Belt members about beating UMASS on this site: 0

Number of ULM fans who have mastered the Straw Man logical fallacy: at least 2

Golota and Arrowhead, for your light reading:

http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/educati...n-argument

lol Arrowhead never said any of that. You guys just got butt hurt for no reason.
CC y'all are very sensitive and fragile Bunch. You get all insecure when someone says they will beat you.
Best of luck to you and glad you're in conference but jeez ease up man.