The Idaho alums I know are happy they are moving back. They are tired of losing.


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(09-10-2017 12:09 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  The Idaho alums I know are happy they are moving back. They are tired of losing.


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Dropping down =/= automatic success despite what the ignorant may believe. It's just as likely Idaho becomes Idaho State as it is they become Eastern Washington.

FBS membership is not a meritocracy where "the deserving" play and the "undeserving" are excluded.

It is a reflection of university interest and capacity to foot the bills.

If Boise State were playing home/home every year the leadership might have considered the outlay and hassle of independence worth trying. With no locked in rivalry game and so few schools in the Mountain and Pacific time zones, there was nothing surprising about the administration's choice.

It's funny. Americans wanting more stringent rules, more barriers to entry, more protection of an entrenched wealthy few. As if that few has some sort of divine right to be free of pesky upstarts and competition.

Its weird because we are usually skeptical of that.



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(09-09-2017 08:27 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(09-09-2017 07:57 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-09-2017 07:11 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  There are two levels of divison 1 football.

p5
Everyone else

The gap between the two will continue to get wider.
And the gap, if there is one, between the G5 and fcs will continue to get smaller.

This is the reality.

Call us when you beat a real team and not East Crapolina.

Is Virginia tech a real team?

App beat Michigan but no one used that as an argument for credibility 7 years later. No, Virginia Tech does not count.

It's actually funny the guy comes on here boasting about Idaho and FCS talk. Then gets a beat down from a team that lost to a MEAC FCS school.

Boise refuses to play in mens basketball and football in Moscow . They played eight miles away in Pullman last night.
Their women's soccer team played at Idaho recently. Never seen a lower school big time an in state school like this. Boise has gone all in for athletics with a lot of facilities debt. All the while having crazy low graduation rates. Their plan is working though as Idaho is dropping. The idiot Idaho president looks forward to renewing the rivalry as a play up game. Considering Idaho led the rivalry until the last five meetings its crazy they don't play. I think that sell out every other year and big game to look forward would have justified independence. NMSU beat UNM last night luckily for NMSU they have two rivals who are not usually good.

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Idaho has been jealous of Boise forever, I think the only reason Idaho ever went FBS was because Boise did.

They do not have the donors and location Boise does among other things and should have stayed FCS.


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(09-09-2017 07:57 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-09-2017 07:11 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  There are two levels of divison 1 football.

p5
Everyone else

The gap between the two will continue to get wider.
And the gap, if there is one, between the G5 and fcs will continue to get smaller.

This is the reality.

Call us when you beat a real team and not East Crapolina.

And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

(09-10-2017 11:00 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Idaho has been jealous of Boise forever, I think the only reason Idaho ever went FBS was because Boise did.

They do not have the donors and location Boise does among other things and should have stayed FCS.


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My post was in response to why they dropped.
It is odd a rivalry that is 22-17-1 just stops when the former underdog gets on top.
NMSU is 33- 70 vs UNM and 32-57 vs UTEP for example.
Refusing to play in basketball except in Boise its odd.
Idaho does not have the local population or the fan base that is true.
The endowment is three times the size so they have donors.
One big difference is the emphasis on athletics .
I don't like Boise or their B.S. but the point was NMSU had an advantage as far as staying FBS.
Even U Mass has gotten B.C. to play down at Gillette also U Conn and Temple.
Idaho moved up to join the Big West and won it early.
Idaho had a bigger lead than Boise does now in their rivalry.
I would rather see the Montana schools and Dakota schools move up than any current option.
Doubt that happens but those are respectable schools with the right priorities .
Montana especially their closer than Boise and have a great fan base.
No different than Georgia Southern or App St two of the last four call ups.

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I personally don't care what they do, just saying Idaho grads I know are glad they dropped back down.


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(09-10-2017 08:47 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  It's funny. Americans wanting more stringent rules, more barriers to entry, more protection of an entrenched wealthy few. As if that few has some sort of divine right to be free of pesky upstarts and competition.

Its weird because we are usually skeptical of that.



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Yes, I find it fascinating that American pro sports are highly socialist with the revenue sharing, new player allocation by draft, and salary restrictions. In Europe, soccer and basketball don't have drafts, share very little revenue, few salary restrictions, and anyone can start a club and earn their way to the top league.

In college sports, there are restrictions on scholarships (value and number) but players choose where to go but there is no path into the elite group.

(09-09-2017 04:13 PM)VandalBasher Wrote:  Just asking.

EXHIBIT A

http://www.winsipedia.com/idaho

Well that is a dig so I will respond in kind, unless you can invent a time machine and go back to the 90's then yes. You have one decent year only two in SEVENTEEN YEARS and all of sudden you are Boise...give me a break. You cant even muster funds to build a real stadium after how many years in the FBS? Dont go away mad just go away.

In the current climate, it's probably a smart move if your athletics department isn't dependent on football revenues to function . I'm sure average fans are much more interested in you all playing your traditional rivals in the Big Sky versus playing a bunch of teams they've never heard of in the Southeast (and gate revenue might actually improve with said rivals coming every other week). Plus, it's not like FCS programs still can't schedule money games. I think Idaho's decision to go down to FCS is a smart one.

On the flip side I believe the major reason NMSU decided to stick around as an independent is because their historic rivals remain FBS teams, and they have home and home series locked up with them until the end of time, making scheduling that much easier. I know if UNM and UTEP were to decide to drop down to FCS, NMSU would in a heartbeat.

If anything though, the move might just be temporary if your school wants it to be. A big shake up is looming several years down the road in 2023 when P5 TV contracts are up for renewal, and it will be the larger G5 schools that get plucked away, opening up room in conferences like the MWC and CUSA. Remember, if UAB could completely dismantle its football program and start it again from scratch, Idaho can come back up.

(09-11-2017 01:14 PM)riburn3 Wrote:  In the current climate, it's probably a smart move if your athletics department isn't dependent on football revenues to function . I'm sure average fans are much more interested in you all playing your traditional rivals in the Big Sky versus playing a bunch of teams they've never heard of in the Southeast (and gate revenue might actually improve with said rivals coming every other week). Plus, it's not like FCS programs still can't schedule money games. I think Idaho's decision to go down to FCS is a smart one.

On the flip side I believe the major reason NMSU decided to stick around as an independent is because their historic rivals remain FBS teams, and they have home and home series locked up with them until the end of time, making scheduling that much easier. I know if UNM and UTEP were to decide to drop down to FCS, NMSU would in a heartbeat.

If anything though, the move might just be temporary if your school wants it to be. A big shake up is looming several years down the road in 2023 when P5 TV contracts are up for renewal, and it will be the larger G5 schools that get plucked away, opening up room in conferences like the MWC and CUSA. Remember, if UAB could completely dismantle its football program and start it again from scratch, Idaho can come back up.

I agree on 2023 but if that's the case Idaho should have stayed FBS Indy till then.

Would they have been able to sustain being independent that long though? NMSU has the luxury of 2 short drive rivals at the FBS level that play them every single year despite not being in the same conference. Even with that, making an independent schedule is incredibly difficult for them. So much so that NMSU is playing a home and away with Liberty within the season for the next 2 years.

I honestly would have loved for Idaho to stay at the FBS level since it would be another guaranteed game for NMSU each season, but it really does make a lot more sense for them to go to the Big Sky where they have a plethora of rivals in their back yard. Even winning in week one and having UNLV come to town barely generated 10k fans this weekend. My guess is Idaho State, Eastern Washington, the Montana programs, etc generate much more fan attention, and also get opposing fans to come for a visit since it's much closer. I doubt you see many opposing SBC fans up in Moscow. I know if NMSU had a wealth of regional rivals all nearby, I'd be lobbying for them to step down too.

Idaho should just be glad they kept football. I think the admin did learn something from the UAb fiasco, and not dropping it completely. Had UAb gone that route, there wouldn't have been the pressure to save UAb football, because there would have been nothing to save.

Idaho has bounced back and forth from D-IA and D-IAA before, so this isn't really new for them.

(09-10-2017 01:54 AM)Cave_Johnson Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 12:09 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  The Idaho alums I know are happy they are moving back. They are tired of losing.


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Dropping down =/= automatic success despite what the ignorant may believe. It's just as likely Idaho becomes Idaho State as it is they become Eastern Washington.

Instead of just becoming Eastern Washington why would they just not become Idaho again. In the mid 80s to when Idaho moved up they were always fighting for one of the top 3 spots in the Big Sky. For a while they were the class of the Big Sky and used to dominate the Jr college in Boise.

(09-09-2017 07:11 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  There are two levels of divison 1 football.

p5
Everyone else

The gap between the two will continue to get wider.
And the gap, if there is one, between the G5 and fcs will continue to get smaller.

This is the reality.

Reality you play teams like Elon, Towson, Rhode Island, Maine and Albany in conference and OOC the past few years has been ETSU (Who just restarted their program), Central conn State (A school who hasn't had a winning record since 2009), ,Morehead State x2 (A school who downgraded their football years ago) and Saint Francis (PA), no wonder JMU is winning. And then in the playoffs most teams have a hit in attendance because those who planned out for a season can't mae possibly 3-4 playoff games at home. Also you now play yout championship game in a 20K soccer stadium. I give it 7-10 years and the IAA Championship game will be an ESPN3 exclusive.

You might have another great season this year but lets see where you are once Mike Houston is hired away after this season. Maybe you can rehire Everett Withers, he might be free after this year.

(09-11-2017 12:53 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  Dont go away mad just go away.

That's mostly how I feel about this entire thread. Faulty, needlessly confrontational premise followed by a lot of people on very high horses. Can we just let this thing die?