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Major NCAA Rule Change On Transfers Proposed
Wouldn't have to sit out a year after transferring in most cases. I think this would advantage stronger programs in cases where a player desires to play in a higher profile program than he could get a scholarship offer to originally but weaker programs where a player wants to get PT at a program that isn't as strong as the one he signed with originally. Could be a lot of churning.
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This was the type of rule change that the G5 specifically did not want when they gave the P5 autonomy.
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RE: Major NCAA Rule Change On Transfers Proposed
This is probably good for players. No more being locked into sitting on the bench - transfer for playing time. That, in turn, may have a leveling effect (why grey shirt at all if you can play right away at some other school and then transfer later? and if you like the school where you sign as a freshman, you may just stay there).

Obviously this could (probably will) result in teams recruiting players from other teams (whether legal or not). That's the bad side of this idea, IMO. Still, it could be worth it.
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RE: Major NCAA Rule Change On Transfers Proposed
I'm extremely torn about this rule.

On one hand, I feel like it makes sense to allow student-athletes who are on track academically to transfer freely without the penalty of sitting a year, especially given how the coaching profession has turned into a revolving door. On the other hand, I think this is a massively problematic issue for G5 & especially FCS schools. Basically, any guy who has an extremely good year at a lower-level school could end up at a P5 school with little warning.

Coaches should be very wary of this rule change too, since I think it's going to create a bigger barrier to entry into the P5 ranks coming from a G5 school. If you're a G5 coach, and your best players could be poached with little chance of replacing their production, your win-loss record could take a massive hit in one year if key position players are allowed to transfer.

Now maybe I'm reading it wrong, and the opposite could happen too - maybe guys sitting the pine at P5 schools will decide they'd rather play sooner than their senior season. I just don't see that happening as often. While it could potentially lead to less depth for elite schools, but I still think the allure of big games & facilities of those programs will tip the balance in their favor even more. In the short & long term, I think it's going to be much bigger of an issue for programs already struggling to compete, which I think is just wrong. The balance of power is already tipped in favor of P5 schools, and I think this potential rule change goes even further in that direction.
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RE: Major NCAA Rule Change On Transfers Proposed
In addition to the G5 the lower tiered P5 schools should be wary of this rule as well. If for example, an under the radar guy tears it up at a Washington State, Kansas, Rutgers, etc. he could easily be poached by a higher tiered P5 school.
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RE: Major NCAA Rule Change On Transfers Proposed
(09-06-2017 07:06 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  ...maybe guys sitting the pine at P5 schools will decide they'd rather play sooner than their senior season. I just don't see that happening as often. While it could potentially lead to less depth for elite schools, but I still think the allure of big games & facilities of those programs will tip the balance in their favor even more...

(09-06-2017 08:05 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  In addition to the G5 the lower tiered P5 schools should be wary of this rule as well. If for example, an under the radar guy tears it up at a Washington State, Kansas, Rutgers, etc. he could easily be poached by a higher tiered P5 school.

I could see this develop into a system where 3 and 4 star players will spend their freshman and sophomore years at a G5 school to get playing experience, then transfer for their junior and senior years at a P5 school. Personally, I don't see that as a major problem. After all, under the current system that player would spend all 4 years at the P5 school.

Meanwhile, the P5 schools will like it because they get to evaluate an older, more experienced player before locking up his scholarship. That becomes more important if teams can no longer cut scholarships for poor performance on the field.
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Considering they're supposed to be there for an education, and < 5% of college football players actually make it to the NFL, I fully support rewarding good students to transfer without penalty. Many of these kids are very talented and want to play, but are stuck behind a future NFL player, while they could be starting at another school. Plus, this would increase the emphasis on good grades, which the overwhelming majority of them will be entering the real world and not the NFL.
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They used to have this rule, and it turned out very ugly.

Basically, this will turn into a free agency and payoffs will grow out of control.


I get the intent. Most will love it. But after a few years, folks will be screaming about the unintended consequences.
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(09-06-2017 10:03 AM)nole Wrote:  They used to have this rule, and it turned out very ugly.

Basically, this will turn into a free agency and payoffs will grow out of control.


I get the intent. Most will love it. But after a few years, folks will be screaming about the unintended consequences.

You are probably 100% correct, unfortunately [sigh].
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I disagree rather strongly with this rule. The only winners are the factories and near factories. Factories will be able to instantly reload when somebody drafts early unexpectedly. Near factories will get all the players not quite good enough to start at a factory. And the G5 and lesser P5 will be plundered.

And oh yeah, this will provide a HUGE incentive to major in something patsy, soft, and incredibly common. Sayyyy sociology. Political science. (Ethnicity/gender) studies. That won't help a country with a sagging IQ. Or the athlete when 99% of them don't make it in the NFL.
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(09-06-2017 12:54 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I disagree rather strongly with this rule. The only winners are the factories and near factories. Factories will be able to instantly reload when somebody drafts early unexpectedly. Near factories will get all the players not quite good enough to start at a factory. And the G5 and lesser P5 will be plundered.

And oh yeah, this will provide a HUGE incentive to major in something patsy, soft, and incredibly common. Sayyyy sociology. Political science. (Ethnicity/gender) studies. That won't help a country with a sagging IQ. Or the athlete when 99% of them don't make it in the NFL.

I don't know about patsy and soft anymore! I foresee 6 and 7 figure government jobs for people with these degrees!
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Leave it like it is. I like the graduate transfer rule as it rewards those who actually graduate.
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Beware unintended consequences. I'm not sure that anyone really wants a college free agency signing period every year.

Maybe something along the lines of keeping the year wait, but not losing a year of eligibility when a student athlete transfers?

Losing a year of eligibility seems punitive for the student athletes who turn out to be bad fits at programs chosen right out of high school. Maintaining the year off, would go a long way to dampen the meat market/free agency abuses.
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I honestly don't think it's going to be anywhere near as big of a problem as others do. IMO you'll see far more transfers down looking for playing time with this policy than players who transfer up.

If there is any effect at all for Clemson on the football side I feel sure it will be transfers out rather than in. Dabo has said before he prefers to build via recruiting high school kids and doesn't like to do anything that throws that cycle off. The only grad transfer I remember us taking was David Olsen from Stanford back in 2014 and the last JUCO to sign with Clemson was in 2006 under Bowden. We've had a couple walk-on transfers, but nobody on scholarship.
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(09-06-2017 04:06 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I honestly don't think it's going to be anywhere near as big of a problem as others do. IMO you'll see far more transfers down looking for playing time with this policy than players who transfer up.

If there is any effect at all for Clemson on the football side I feel sure it will be transfers out rather than in. Dabo has said before he prefers to build via recruiting high school kids and doesn't like to do anything that throws that cycle off. The only grad transfer I remember us taking was David Olsen from Stanford back in 2014 and the last JUCO to sign with Clemson was in 2006 under Bowden. We've had a couple walk-on transfers, but nobody on scholarship.

Maybe at the elite schools that will be the case, but I think at most other schools it's going to have a huge effect. We're already seeing transfers out of G5 programs and that's with guys having to sit a year.

For instance, VT has a WR sitting this year after transferring from Ball State - Damon Hazelton. As a freshman, he led their team in receiving touchdowns and was second on the team in catches & receiving yards.
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(09-06-2017 04:17 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 04:06 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I honestly don't think it's going to be anywhere near as big of a problem as others do. IMO you'll see far more transfers down looking for playing time with this policy than players who transfer up.

If there is any effect at all for Clemson on the football side I feel sure it will be transfers out rather than in. Dabo has said before he prefers to build via recruiting high school kids and doesn't like to do anything that throws that cycle off. The only grad transfer I remember us taking was David Olsen from Stanford back in 2014 and the last JUCO to sign with Clemson was in 2006 under Bowden. We've had a couple walk-on transfers, but nobody on scholarship.

Maybe at the elite schools that will be the case, but I think at most other schools it's going to have a huge effect. We're already seeing transfers out of G5 programs and that's with guys having to sit a year.

For instance, VT has a WR sitting this year after transferring from Ball State - Damon Hazelton. As a freshman, he led their team in receiving touchdowns and was second on the team in catches & receiving yards.

We are also seeing guys transfer out of P5 programs to G5 schools.

I don't think it's going to have anywhere near as much of a problem as people think.
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I don't see it as a problem. If a kid isn't playing, let him transfer. It will simply open up a roster spot for a program to pick-up a player off the transfer wire.
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I have to agree with Kap and Jim - nothing to get alarmed about.
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(09-06-2017 06:51 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I have to agree with Kap and Jim - nothing to get alarmed about.

....and I have to agree with Hokie, Kap, and Jim as well.04-high5
I know there will be unintended consequences but I don't think they will be a Catastrophic as people are making it out to be.

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Maybe I'm overreacting to how the movement will change things at the FBS level, but I think it's undeniable that it will have a negative effect on the elite FCS schools who often draw FBS players looking for a change of scenery.

The benefit of the current system is that a FBS player can transfer to a FCS school without having to sit a year. A school like JMU has a number of starters on both sides of the ball who transferred out from P5 programs like GT, Duke, Maryland & Rutgers and those are guys that didn't want to miss a year playing football.

With the rule change, a lot of those types of players might instead end up at a G5 program. While the rule might work out for FBS programs, I think it's undercutting strong programs at the FCS level who are already struggling to compete at a resource level.
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