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(09-08-2017 05:31 PM)digibrink Wrote:  Cincinnati fans are typically going to be ready to jump off a cliff when they've lived their whole lives having only seen 1 championship from a Cincinnati team. Add on top of that the fact that the gap between the haves and the have nots is getting bigger and more obvious every year, and yeah, people are starting to realize that UC probably missed it's shot at ever being relevant in college football. The Big East days were fun, but they are long gone (and we didn't take advantage of the opportunities we had then).

Louisville has always been a similar school to us. I was looking at UoL's top recruits of all time - and you have to get to #20 on their list before you find someone with a similar rating to our #1 guy (Dyjuan Lewis, who never panned out). For the most part I think UC played it straight when it came to recruiting, and fell really far behind the Louisville, OSU, ND, Baylors, Penn State, Miami, etc of the world who were more than eager to bend/break every rule in the book to improve their program.
We definitely took advantage of the Big East days. We were competitive with the top powers in football and basketball, won several Big East championships, and expanded our athletics infrastructure. We just didn't have the history of West Virginia, Pitt, Syracuse, the vaporous media market like Buttgers, and weren't willing to whore ourselves out at the expense of academics like L'ville.

There is plenty of movement still to take place, and we are at the top of the heap when it happens. Media will want more content, not less. We have made the commitment and now have the vision in place to compete for championships at whatever level we're at, and we have a tradition and are established in a football-rich area. I think it's only a matter of time, but it certainly is depressing as hell to see others that we competed against in soft landing spaces.

We need to get over ourselves and support our Cats, even in rough times.
 
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(09-08-2017 06:14 PM)crex043 Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 05:31 PM)digibrink Wrote:  Cincinnati fans are typically going to be ready to jump off a cliff when they've lived their whole lives having only seen 1 championship from a Cincinnati team. Add on top of that the fact that the gap between the haves and the have nots is getting bigger and more obvious every year, and yeah, people are starting to realize that UC probably missed it's shot at ever being relevant in college football. The Big East days were fun, but they are long gone (and we didn't take advantage of the opportunities we had then).

Louisville has always been a similar school to us. I was looking at UoL's top recruits of all time - and you have to get to #20 on their list before you find someone with a similar rating to our #1 guy (Dyjuan Lewis, who never panned out). For the most part I think UC played it straight when it came to recruiting, and fell really far behind the Louisville, OSU, ND, Baylors, Penn State, Miami, etc of the world who were more than eager to bend/break every rule in the book to improve their program.
We definitely took advantage of the Big East days. We were competitive with the top powers in football and basketball, won several Big East championships, and expanded our athletics infrastructure. We just didn't have the history of West Virginia, Pitt, Syracuse, the vaporous media market like Buttgers, and weren't willing to whore ourselves out at the expense of academics like L'ville.

There is plenty of movement still to take place, and we are at the top of the heap when it happens. Media will want more content, not less. We have made the commitment and now have the vision in place to compete for championships at whatever level we're at, and we have a tradition and are established in a football-rich area. I think it's only a matter of time, but it certainly is depressing as hell to see others that we competed against in soft landing spaces.

We need to get over ourselves and support our Cats, even in rough times.

Well said. Fickell will rebuild a program we can all be proud of and the rest of the state will take more notice than ever before given his pedigree. Looking forward to seeing lots of red and black in AA tomorrow. Go 'Cats!
 
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(09-05-2017 04:38 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  I have come to the conclusion that a team with lesser offensive talent - eg our beloved Bearcats desperately need a multi faceted QB.

We no longer have the stud recievers to enable a pocket passer. Our 3 QBs will get us nowhere. CTT has trashed this team. IMO Hayden and Trail without stud receivers are useless.

At the level of talent we will have now as minor league program we must have a QB with a running ability.

I frankly am disgusted with the decent of our program. We are asked to pay major program prices for a very inferior roster against a home schedule of midgets - midgests who are now likely better than us.

What are we fans paying for if Miami and Marshall beat us?

Totally agree. Out of all the QB's since the UC emergence (minus TT years) the QB that could elevate this team offensively would be none other than Ben Mauk IMO.

They could sprint him to either side. Sit him in the shotgun. Let him pick pass -run - sprint. I could go on and on. I can just imagine if he'd had all four years at Cincinnati. That fella was point blank cold blooded. Guys like that at QB cause many restless nights for defensive coordinators.
 
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(09-08-2017 06:14 PM)crex043 Wrote:  We definitely took advantage of the Big East days. We were competitive with the top powers in football and basketball, won several Big East championships, and expanded our athletics infrastructure. We just didn't have the history of West Virginia, Pitt, Syracuse, the vaporous media market like Buttgers, and weren't willing to whore ourselves out at the expense of academics like L'ville.

There is plenty of movement still to take place, and we are at the top of the heap when it happens. Media will want more content, not less. We have made the commitment and now have the vision in place to compete for championships at whatever level we're at, and we have a tradition and are established in a football-rich area. I think it's only a matter of time, but it certainly is depressing as hell to see others that we competed against in soft landing spaces.

We need to get over ourselves and support our Cats, even in rough times.

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"...and we are at the top of the heap when it happens. "

We need for Mick to keep UC basketball in the national conversation so we will be in the conversation. We desperately need CLF to make our football program relevant again. Relevance to me is dominating MAC and such schools. We are likely to be very embarrassed on that score this year.

One of the things I do not understand is how the guy who has our school single game passing record is now so meh.

I will be at the Michigan game tomorrow and hope for a good showing.

I went to both Oklahoma games we were right there. I went to the OSU game in the "Shoe" where we had to be homered to ave the sorry butts of the school up north.

I cannot believe how our program has deteriorated.
 
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Well, that's what Tuberville did to us. He's gone now and we have a promising young head coach trying to rebuild. It's not gonna happen overnight. Louisville got Kragthorped and they bounced back. Fickell and the Bearcats need support, both in the stands and financially.
 
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(09-08-2017 07:10 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  "...and we are at the top of the heap when it happens. "

We need for Mick to keep UC basketball in the national conversation so we will be in the conversation. We desperately need CLF to make our football program relevant again. Relevance to me is dominating MAC and such schools. We are likely to be very embarrassed on that score this year.

One of the things I do not understand is how the guy who has our school single game passing record is now so meh.

I will be at the Michigan game tomorrow and hope for a good showing.

I went to both Oklahoma games we were right there. I went to the OSU game in the "Shoe" where we had to be homered to ave the sorry butts of the school up north.

I cannot believe how our program has deteriorated.

Programs go up and down all the time. See Texas. See Notre Dame. See USC. See Alabama before Saban. Ohio State during the John Cooper years. Cincinnati rode an upward trajectory from Minter to Dantonio to Kelly. It took a "dip" with Jones and fell off the cliff with ________ __________. So, Coach Fick can take us back up the mountain again. Look at the impact he's had in just the past 6-7 months in terms of hiring a quality staff, recruiting, building relationships with Ohio high schools and changing attitudes in the locker room. He still has to win but give him a few seasons to right the listing ship and build his program.

I also say give Moore a few more games under his belt playing under the new regime and new system before determining he's meh. As someone posted earlier, we don't have a Mauk or Collaros on this roster. It's Moore and Trail right now. There is no genie in the bottle.
 
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They only thing that former coach did that I liked was run the Wildcat. I would like to see Boone run the Bearcat against UM.
 
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(09-08-2017 06:14 PM)crex043 Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 05:31 PM)digibrink Wrote:  Cincinnati fans are typically going to be ready to jump off a cliff when they've lived their whole lives having only seen 1 championship from a Cincinnati team. Add on top of that the fact that the gap between the haves and the have nots is getting bigger and more obvious every year, and yeah, people are starting to realize that UC probably missed it's shot at ever being relevant in college football. The Big East days were fun, but they are long gone (and we didn't take advantage of the opportunities we had then).

Louisville has always been a similar school to us. I was looking at UoL's top recruits of all time - and you have to get to #20 on their list before you find someone with a similar rating to our #1 guy (Dyjuan Lewis, who never panned out). For the most part I think UC played it straight when it came to recruiting, and fell really far behind the Louisville, OSU, ND, Baylors, Penn State, Miami, etc of the world who were more than eager to bend/break every rule in the book to improve their program.
We definitely took advantage of the Big East days. We were competitive with the top powers in football and basketball, won several Big East championships, and expanded our athletics infrastructure. We just didn't have the history of West Virginia, Pitt, Syracuse, the vaporous media market like Buttgers, and weren't willing to whore ourselves out at the expense of academics like L'ville.

There is plenty of movement still to take place, and we are at the top of the heap when it happens. Media will want more content, not less. We have made the commitment and now have the vision in place to compete for championships at whatever level we're at, and we have a tradition and are established in a football-rich area. I think it's only a matter of time, but it certainly is depressing as hell to see others that we competed against in soft landing spaces.

We need to get over ourselves and support our Cats, even in rough times.

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(09-08-2017 08:43 PM)doss2 Wrote:  They only thing that former coach did that I liked was run the Wildcat. I would like to see Boone run the Bearcat against UM.

Maybe we'll see that today. UC can't line up and run a conventional game plan against MI with the disparity in line size and overall personnel. Moore also has the ability (if not the confidence) to sling the ball down the field. Let's hope he does that today and it's our receivers catching it. We didn't see much of the play book against AP.

Safe travels to our fans; I arrived last night and the weather should be outstanding today. Go 'Cats!
 
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(09-08-2017 07:40 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 07:10 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  "...and we are at the top of the heap when it happens. "

We need for Mick to keep UC basketball in the national conversation so we will be in the conversation. We desperately need CLF to make our football program relevant again. Relevance to me is dominating MAC and such schools. We are likely to be very embarrassed on that score this year.

One of the things I do not understand is how the guy who has our school single game passing record is now so meh.

I will be at the Michigan game tomorrow and hope for a good showing.

I went to both Oklahoma games we were right there. I went to the OSU game in the "Shoe" where we had to be homered to ave the sorry butts of the school up north.

I cannot believe how our program has deteriorated.

Programs go up and down all the time. See Texas. See Notre Dame. See USC. See Alabama before Saban. Ohio State during the John Cooper years. Cincinnati rode an upward trajectory from Minter to Dantonio to Kelly. It took a "dip" with Jones and fell off the cliff with ________ __________. So, Coach Fick can take us back up the mountain again. Look at the impact he's had in just the past 6-7 months in terms of hiring a quality staff, recruiting, building relationships with Ohio high schools and changing attitudes in the locker room. He still has to win but give him a few seasons to right the listing ship and build his program.

I also say give Moore a few more games under his belt playing under the new regime and new system before determining he's meh. As someone posted earlier, we don't have a Mauk or Collaros on this roster. It's Moore and Trail right now. There is no genie in the bottle.


Lol - You can't compare our situation to Texas, USC, ND or Alabama. They all have immeasurable advantages over us - to the terms of 50-80 million dollars PER YEAR.
 
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(09-09-2017 11:22 AM)digibrink Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 07:40 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 07:10 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  "...and we are at the top of the heap when it happens. "

We need for Mick to keep UC basketball in the national conversation so we will be in the conversation. We desperately need CLF to make our football program relevant again. Relevance to me is dominating MAC and such schools. We are likely to be very embarrassed on that score this year.

One of the things I do not understand is how the guy who has our school single game passing record is now so meh.

I will be at the Michigan game tomorrow and hope for a good showing.

I went to both Oklahoma games we were right there. I went to the OSU game in the "Shoe" where we had to be homered to ave the sorry butts of the school up north.

I cannot believe how our program has deteriorated.

Programs go up and down all the time. See Texas. See Notre Dame. See USC. See Alabama before Saban. Ohio State during the John Cooper years. Cincinnati rode an upward trajectory from Minter to Dantonio to Kelly. It took a "dip" with Jones and fell off the cliff with ________ __________. So, Coach Fick can take us back up the mountain again. Look at the impact he's had in just the past 6-7 months in terms of hiring a quality staff, recruiting, building relationships with Ohio high schools and changing attitudes in the locker room. He still has to win but give him a few seasons to right the listing ship and build his program.

I also say give Moore a few more games under his belt playing under the new regime and new system before determining he's meh. As someone posted earlier, we don't have a Mauk or Collaros on this roster. It's Moore and Trail right now. There is no genie in the bottle.


Lol - You can't compare our situation to Texas, USC, ND or Alabama. They all have immeasurable advantages over us - to the terms of 50-80 million dollars PER YEAR.

Dude, comprehend my post. We will never have the money of those programs. My point is EVEN with those advantages, programs ebb and flow over time. No one is immune to having some down years.
 
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speaking of qb

Moore showed guts, stood in the pocket and made some nice passes while getting drilled. If Lewis catches that bomb he threw we might have a different outcome to the game.
And that run he ripped off was beautiful and set up the td pass to lewis.


Having said that, I thought he missed way too many slants and he flat out screwed up some easy third down passes to receivers who were surprisingly open. And it goes without saying, the two pick 6 he threw were back breakers.


I don't want to be too hard on the kid because he showed guts. But with a good qb, I think we win this game, Lewis' dropped pass on that bomb aside.
 
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(09-10-2017 09:20 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  speaking of qb

Moore showed guts, stood in the pocket and made some nice passes while getting drilled. If Lewis catches that bomb he threw we might have a different outcome to the game.
And that run he ripped off was beautiful and set up the td pass to lewis.


Having said that, I thought he missed way too many slants and he flat out screwed up some easy third down passes to receivers who were surprisingly open. And it goes without saying, the two pick 6 he threw were back breakers.


I don't want to be too hard on the kid because he showed guts. But with a good qb, I think we win this game, Lewis' dropped pass on that bomb aside.


Long time listener first time caller: Moore definitely missed some throws, but I rewatched last night and my impression of his performance was more positive than when watching live. He was getting getting pummeled constantly and there were even more catchable balls missed by receivers than I recall from the live viewing. After watching live, I also felt he showed tremendous guts but that he was mostly bad. After review, I feel more optimistic about his ability to move us forward--particularly against lesser defenses. That said, the pessimist in mean recalls long stretches last year when the qb of the moment and the receivers would take turns killing drives with poor execution. It will be interesting (and hopefully fun) to watch how Moore and the team respond and learn from this experience.
 
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I feel like we missed a ton of catchable balls. I was really disappointed by the performance of our WRs. Quite a letdown. That said, there's definitely blame to go around. I think Moore missed some throws, and potentially worse still he threw some really ugly balls that we're lucky weren't at the other team - outside, of course, of the pick 6s that were at the other team.

At best he seems to be a game manager. Which....is fine. In time I believe we'll get our ground game to the point where a game manager will be appropriate.



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(09-10-2017 09:20 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  speaking of qb

Moore showed guts, stood in the pocket and made some nice passes while getting drilled. If Lewis catches that bomb he threw we might have a different outcome to the game.
And that run he ripped off was beautiful and set up the td pass to lewis.


Having said that, I thought he missed way too many slants and he flat out screwed up some easy third down passes to receivers who were surprisingly open. And it goes without saying, the two pick 6 he threw were back breakers.


I don't want to be too hard on the kid because he showed guts. But with a good qb, I think we win this game, Lewis' dropped pass on that bomb aside.


Long time listener first time caller: Moore definitely missed some throws, but I rewatched last night and my impression of his performance was more positive than when watching live. He was getting getting pummeled constantly and there were even more catchable balls missed by receivers than I recall from the live viewing. After watching live, I also felt he showed tremendous guts but that he was mostly bad. After review, I feel more optimistic about his ability to move us forward--particularly against lesser defenses. That said, the pessimist in mean recalls long stretches last year when the qb of the moment and the receivers would take turns killing drives with poor execution. It will be interesting (and hopefully fun) to watch how Moore and the team respond and learn from this experience.

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(09-11-2017 09:14 AM)marcuscan Wrote:  I feel like we missed a ton of catchable balls. I was really disappointed by the performance of our WRs. Quite a letdown. That said, there's definitely blame to go around. I think Moore missed some throws, and potentially worse still he threw some really ugly balls that we're lucky weren't at the other team - outside, of course, of the pick 6s that were at the other team.

At best he seems to be a game manager. Which....is fine. In time I believe we'll get our ground game to the point where a game manager will be appropriate.



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Have to think we will run much more starting this week with Miami. heck we averaged 4 yards a carry against that Michigan front seven that is as good as anyone in CFB.

Not sure of Boone's status, but I think either way we are going to see Doaks getting more carries. Dude is a load-- he absolutely trucked that Michigan DB on that big run of his.
 
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(09-11-2017 09:14 AM)marcuscan Wrote:  I feel like we missed a ton of catchable balls. I was really disappointed by the performance of our WRs. Quite a letdown. That said, there's definitely blame to go around. I think Moore missed some throws, and potentially worse still he threw some really ugly balls that we're lucky weren't at the other team - outside, of course, of the pick 6s that were at the other team.

At best he seems to be a game manager. Which....is fine. In time I believe we'll get our ground game to the point where a game manager will be appropriate.

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These WR are not Gilyard, Binns, Washington, etc.
 
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