(09-07-2017 08:46 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 10:23 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 10:10 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Well that wasn't dramatic and completely devoid of logic at all.

Straight from the expert on both of those topics...your act is old and tired

Look at the two posts below:

Honestly, which one looks measured and which one looks completely unhinged?

(09-06-2017 03:56 PM)Poster #1 Wrote:  In April of 2016, Tubby was hired and paid a top 15 salary to be the HC at Memphis.
He had a returning nucleus that included a McDonald's All-American and two other 4* recruits.

The roster still needed bolstering and Tubby was really slow to fill out the pieces necessary to make '16-'17 a really competitive team.

And this was predicated on the reputation that Tubby wasn't a super energetic coach and that recruiting wasn't his forté.

So he trudged through the summer by getting Kessee to commit and to flip Keon from Tech to Memphis. After Marshall officially left, he then got an otherwise unwanted guy who had an injury history and hadn't played D1 ball in 4 years to come in.

That was the extent of "filling out the roster." He had eight scholarship players when he took the "necessity flyer" on Chad.

He knew he would have at least five and potentially more scholarships open for '17-18 but only snagged three guys in the early period.

While this was going on he really wasn't making any headway into local recruiting, whether by design or by failure. Reports started coming in that he hadn't reached out to some of the necessary people in the local basketball circles and that was affecting Memphis' chances on getting kids in '18, '19 and beyond.

Towards the end of the season, the team fell apart and no matter how one wants to assign fault, ultimately it rests on the head coach to manage egos, inspire players, and win games. Instead, five players left the team.

As the season ended and spring recruiting came around, the staff still had difficulty filling out a roster again. The staff seemed to take a wide-net approach to scouting talent--expressing some level of interest on players that are generally not "Memphis good" while still having to add recruits in June.

The roster is now completely unbalanced. The "hope" is that this team will not fall flat on its face and be competitive and use the experiences from this year to turn that into a possible NCAA team for 2018-19.

But, because of the roster imbalance, there is a strong possibility (assuming Memphis doesn't have another transfer catastrophe like this past year) that Memphis will lose four starters and two relied-upon bench guys from the 2018-19 team and have to "reset" again for 2019-20 with hopes of building in for '20-21 and '21-22.

And add to that, even if (likely best case scenario) Memphis gets some commitments for this early period, most targets that seem attainable are the type that will be 4-year players who begin to really blossom as juniors.

And this is all taking place as interest in Tigers basketball dips to a generationally low point, with ticket sales and attendance both nearing 40 year lows.

So, while this assessment may not be as dire as the op, there are a lot concerns about the way Tubby has and is doing things.

and

(09-06-2017 09:58 PM)Poster #2 Wrote:  Serious question for you Snow, what else is there to do BUT wait and see what the upcoming season brings? Seriously.
Should we all walk up and down the hall every waking moment wringing our hands and biting our fingernails until they bleed? Should we dig up the great Johnny Carson (my personal all time favorite entertainer) and his wingman Ed McMahon for an impromptu Carnac the Magnificent skit? How about hiring a psychic or better yet calling one of those 2 in the morning cable TV chicks, text her a picture of our palms and letting her tell us we're going to inherit $350 from a long lost aunt that we never knew?
Reaonable thinking keeps us from doing those types of ridiculous things and with the season approaching fairly quickly, too many variables are present to prematurely shovel dirt on the season. By the same token, those variable keep us from guaranteeing unprecedented success or even moderate success for that matter.
So rather than lock ourselves in the garage with the car running, while simultaneously slitting our collective wrists with the sharp edge of the human mole, gary parrish's, fresh Prada horn rimmed glasses, we avoid the highs and lows and genuinely, reasonably discuss the possibilities, good and bad, of a new season under a quality-yet-unproven-at-our-favorite-school coach.

It would be so much more relaxing...

I'd say post 1 was more unhinged.

(09-07-2017 09:03 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 08:46 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 10:23 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 10:10 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Well that wasn't dramatic and completely devoid of logic at all.

Straight from the expert on both of those topics...your act is old and tired

Look at the two posts below:

Honestly, which one looks measured and which one looks completely unhinged?

(09-06-2017 03:56 PM)Poster #1 Wrote:  In April of 2016, Tubby was hired and paid a top 15 salary to be the HC at Memphis.
He had a returning nucleus that included a McDonald's All-American and two other 4* recruits.

The roster still needed bolstering and Tubby was really slow to fill out the pieces necessary to make '16-'17 a really competitive team.

And this was predicated on the reputation that Tubby wasn't a super energetic coach and that recruiting wasn't his forté.

So he trudged through the summer by getting Kessee to commit and to flip Keon from Tech to Memphis. After Marshall officially left, he then got an otherwise unwanted guy who had an injury history and hadn't played D1 ball in 4 years to come in.

That was the extent of "filling out the roster." He had eight scholarship players when he took the "necessity flyer" on Chad.

He knew he would have at least five and potentially more scholarships open for '17-18 but only snagged three guys in the early period.

While this was going on he really wasn't making any headway into local recruiting, whether by design or by failure. Reports started coming in that he hadn't reached out to some of the necessary people in the local basketball circles and that was affecting Memphis' chances on getting kids in '18, '19 and beyond.

Towards the end of the season, the team fell apart and no matter how one wants to assign fault, ultimately it rests on the head coach to manage egos, inspire players, and win games. Instead, five players left the team.

As the season ended and spring recruiting came around, the staff still had difficulty filling out a roster again. The staff seemed to take a wide-net approach to scouting talent--expressing some level of interest on players that are generally not "Memphis good" while still having to add recruits in June.

The roster is now completely unbalanced. The "hope" is that this team will not fall flat on its face and be competitive and use the experiences from this year to turn that into a possible NCAA team for 2018-19.

But, because of the roster imbalance, there is a strong possibility (assuming Memphis doesn't have another transfer catastrophe like this past year) that Memphis will lose four starters and two relied-upon bench guys from the 2018-19 team and have to "reset" again for 2019-20 with hopes of building in for '20-21 and '21-22.

And add to that, even if (likely best case scenario) Memphis gets some commitments for this early period, most targets that seem attainable are the type that will be 4-year players who begin to really blossom as juniors.

And this is all taking place as interest in Tigers basketball dips to a generationally low point, with ticket sales and attendance both nearing 40 year lows.

So, while this assessment may not be as dire as the op, there are a lot concerns about the way Tubby has and is doing things.

and

(09-06-2017 09:58 PM)Poster #2 Wrote:  Serious question for you Snow, what else is there to do BUT wait and see what the upcoming season brings? Seriously.
Should we all walk up and down the hall every waking moment wringing our hands and biting our fingernails until they bleed? Should we dig up the great Johnny Carson (my personal all time favorite entertainer) and his wingman Ed McMahon for an impromptu Carnac the Magnificent skit? How about hiring a psychic or better yet calling one of those 2 in the morning cable TV chicks, text her a picture of our palms and letting her tell us we're going to inherit $350 from a long lost aunt that we never knew?
Reaonable thinking keeps us from doing those types of ridiculous things and with the season approaching fairly quickly, too many variables are present to prematurely shovel dirt on the season. By the same token, those variable keep us from guaranteeing unprecedented success or even moderate success for that matter.
So rather than lock ourselves in the garage with the car running, while simultaneously slitting our collective wrists with the sharp edge of the human mole, gary parrish's, fresh Prada horn rimmed glasses, we avoid the highs and lows and genuinely, reasonably discuss the possibilities, good and bad, of a new season under a quality-yet-unproven-at-our-favorite-school coach.

It would be so much more relaxing...

I'd say post 1 was more unhinged.

+1

I wish post #1 would have referenced raising people from the dead, referenced Miss Cleo, contemplated suicide, taken weird shots at a local/national cbb writer and other things, because that 1st post was just cray-cray without it.

(09-07-2017 09:03 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 08:46 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 10:23 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 10:10 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Well that wasn't dramatic and completely devoid of logic at all.

Straight from the expert on both of those topics...your act is old and tired

Look at the two posts below:

Honestly, which one looks measured and which one looks completely unhinged?

(09-06-2017 03:56 PM)Poster #1 Wrote:  In April of 2016, Tubby was hired and paid a top 15 salary to be the HC at Memphis.
He had a returning nucleus that included a McDonald's All-American and two other 4* recruits.

The roster still needed bolstering and Tubby was really slow to fill out the pieces necessary to make '16-'17 a really competitive team.

And this was predicated on the reputation that Tubby wasn't a super energetic coach and that recruiting wasn't his forté.

So he trudged through the summer by getting Kessee to commit and to flip Keon from Tech to Memphis. After Marshall officially left, he then got an otherwise unwanted guy who had an injury history and hadn't played D1 ball in 4 years to come in.

That was the extent of "filling out the roster." He had eight scholarship players when he took the "necessity flyer" on Chad.

He knew he would have at least five and potentially more scholarships open for '17-18 but only snagged three guys in the early period.

While this was going on he really wasn't making any headway into local recruiting, whether by design or by failure. Reports started coming in that he hadn't reached out to some of the necessary people in the local basketball circles and that was affecting Memphis' chances on getting kids in '18, '19 and beyond.

Towards the end of the season, the team fell apart and no matter how one wants to assign fault, ultimately it rests on the head coach to manage egos, inspire players, and win games. Instead, five players left the team.

As the season ended and spring recruiting came around, the staff still had difficulty filling out a roster again. The staff seemed to take a wide-net approach to scouting talent--expressing some level of interest on players that are generally not "Memphis good" while still having to add recruits in June.

The roster is now completely unbalanced. The "hope" is that this team will not fall flat on its face and be competitive and use the experiences from this year to turn that into a possible NCAA team for 2018-19.

But, because of the roster imbalance, there is a strong possibility (assuming Memphis doesn't have another transfer catastrophe like this past year) that Memphis will lose four starters and two relied-upon bench guys from the 2018-19 team and have to "reset" again for 2019-20 with hopes of building in for '20-21 and '21-22.

And add to that, even if (likely best case scenario) Memphis gets some commitments for this early period, most targets that seem attainable are the type that will be 4-year players who begin to really blossom as juniors.

And this is all taking place as interest in Tigers basketball dips to a generationally low point, with ticket sales and attendance both nearing 40 year lows.

So, while this assessment may not be as dire as the op, there are a lot concerns about the way Tubby has and is doing things.

and

(09-06-2017 09:58 PM)Poster #2 Wrote:  Serious question for you Snow, what else is there to do BUT wait and see what the upcoming season brings? Seriously.
Should we all walk up and down the hall every waking moment wringing our hands and biting our fingernails until they bleed? Should we dig up the great Johnny Carson (my personal all time favorite entertainer) and his wingman Ed McMahon for an impromptu Carnac the Magnificent skit? How about hiring a psychic or better yet calling one of those 2 in the morning cable TV chicks, text her a picture of our palms and letting her tell us we're going to inherit $350 from a long lost aunt that we never knew?
Reaonable thinking keeps us from doing those types of ridiculous things and with the season approaching fairly quickly, too many variables are present to prematurely shovel dirt on the season. By the same token, those variable keep us from guaranteeing unprecedented success or even moderate success for that matter.
So rather than lock ourselves in the garage with the car running, while simultaneously slitting our collective wrists with the sharp edge of the human mole, gary parrish's, fresh Prada horn rimmed glasses, we avoid the highs and lows and genuinely, reasonably discuss the possibilities, good and bad, of a new season under a quality-yet-unproven-at-our-favorite-school coach.

It would be so much more relaxing...

I'd say post 1 was more unhinged.

I disagree.

Post 1, while noting some subtle negative slant to some comments, is mostly fact based, with a spoonful of retrospect.

Post 2, on the other hand, is an emotional, completely lacking-of-facts response to someone who poster 2 doesn't agree with.

I don't follow these circle-jerk threads much. What did I win?

(09-07-2017 10:30 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 09:03 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 08:46 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 10:23 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 10:10 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Well that wasn't dramatic and completely devoid of logic at all.

Straight from the expert on both of those topics...your act is old and tired

Look at the two posts below:

Honestly, which one looks measured and which one looks completely unhinged?

(09-06-2017 03:56 PM)Poster #1 Wrote:  In April of 2016, Tubby was hired and paid a top 15 salary to be the HC at Memphis.
He had a returning nucleus that included a McDonald's All-American and two other 4* recruits.

The roster still needed bolstering and Tubby was really slow to fill out the pieces necessary to make '16-'17 a really competitive team.

And this was predicated on the reputation that Tubby wasn't a super energetic coach and that recruiting wasn't his forté.

So he trudged through the summer by getting Kessee to commit and to flip Keon from Tech to Memphis. After Marshall officially left, he then got an otherwise unwanted guy who had an injury history and hadn't played D1 ball in 4 years to come in.

That was the extent of "filling out the roster." He had eight scholarship players when he took the "necessity flyer" on Chad.

He knew he would have at least five and potentially more scholarships open for '17-18 but only snagged three guys in the early period.

While this was going on he really wasn't making any headway into local recruiting, whether by design or by failure. Reports started coming in that he hadn't reached out to some of the necessary people in the local basketball circles and that was affecting Memphis' chances on getting kids in '18, '19 and beyond.

Towards the end of the season, the team fell apart and no matter how one wants to assign fault, ultimately it rests on the head coach to manage egos, inspire players, and win games. Instead, five players left the team.

As the season ended and spring recruiting came around, the staff still had difficulty filling out a roster again. The staff seemed to take a wide-net approach to scouting talent--expressing some level of interest on players that are generally not "Memphis good" while still having to add recruits in June.

The roster is now completely unbalanced. The "hope" is that this team will not fall flat on its face and be competitive and use the experiences from this year to turn that into a possible NCAA team for 2018-19.

But, because of the roster imbalance, there is a strong possibility (assuming Memphis doesn't have another transfer catastrophe like this past year) that Memphis will lose four starters and two relied-upon bench guys from the 2018-19 team and have to "reset" again for 2019-20 with hopes of building in for '20-21 and '21-22.

And add to that, even if (likely best case scenario) Memphis gets some commitments for this early period, most targets that seem attainable are the type that will be 4-year players who begin to really blossom as juniors.

And this is all taking place as interest in Tigers basketball dips to a generationally low point, with ticket sales and attendance both nearing 40 year lows.

So, while this assessment may not be as dire as the op, there are a lot concerns about the way Tubby has and is doing things.

and

(09-06-2017 09:58 PM)Poster #2 Wrote:  Serious question for you Snow, what else is there to do BUT wait and see what the upcoming season brings? Seriously.
Should we all walk up and down the hall every waking moment wringing our hands and biting our fingernails until they bleed? Should we dig up the great Johnny Carson (my personal all time favorite entertainer) and his wingman Ed McMahon for an impromptu Carnac the Magnificent skit? How about hiring a psychic or better yet calling one of those 2 in the morning cable TV chicks, text her a picture of our palms and letting her tell us we're going to inherit $350 from a long lost aunt that we never knew?
Reaonable thinking keeps us from doing those types of ridiculous things and with the season approaching fairly quickly, too many variables are present to prematurely shovel dirt on the season. By the same token, those variable keep us from guaranteeing unprecedented success or even moderate success for that matter.
So rather than lock ourselves in the garage with the car running, while simultaneously slitting our collective wrists with the sharp edge of the human mole, gary parrish's, fresh Prada horn rimmed glasses, we avoid the highs and lows and genuinely, reasonably discuss the possibilities, good and bad, of a new season under a quality-yet-unproven-at-our-favorite-school coach.

It would be so much more relaxing...

I'd say post 1 was more unhinged.

I disagree.

Post 1, while noting some subtle negative slant to some comments, is mostly fact based, with a spoonful of retrospect.

Post 2, on the other hand, is an emotional, completely lacking-of-facts response to someone who poster 2 doesn't agree with.

I don't follow these circle-jerk threads much. What did I win?

You get to spend a fun filled day with Stammers and Tiger1983. Or... lit bamboo shoots under your toe nails... your choice

(09-07-2017 12:36 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 10:30 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 09:03 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 08:46 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 10:23 PM)450bench Wrote:  Straight from the expert on both of those topics...your act is old and tired

Look at the two posts below:

Honestly, which one looks measured and which one looks completely unhinged?

(09-06-2017 03:56 PM)Poster #1 Wrote:  In April of 2016, Tubby was hired and paid a top 15 salary to be the HC at Memphis.
He had a returning nucleus that included a McDonald's All-American and two other 4* recruits.

The roster still needed bolstering and Tubby was really slow to fill out the pieces necessary to make '16-'17 a really competitive team.

And this was predicated on the reputation that Tubby wasn't a super energetic coach and that recruiting wasn't his forté.

So he trudged through the summer by getting Kessee to commit and to flip Keon from Tech to Memphis. After Marshall officially left, he then got an otherwise unwanted guy who had an injury history and hadn't played D1 ball in 4 years to come in.

That was the extent of "filling out the roster." He had eight scholarship players when he took the "necessity flyer" on Chad.

He knew he would have at least five and potentially more scholarships open for '17-18 but only snagged three guys in the early period.

While this was going on he really wasn't making any headway into local recruiting, whether by design or by failure. Reports started coming in that he hadn't reached out to some of the necessary people in the local basketball circles and that was affecting Memphis' chances on getting kids in '18, '19 and beyond.

Towards the end of the season, the team fell apart and no matter how one wants to assign fault, ultimately it rests on the head coach to manage egos, inspire players, and win games. Instead, five players left the team.

As the season ended and spring recruiting came around, the staff still had difficulty filling out a roster again. The staff seemed to take a wide-net approach to scouting talent--expressing some level of interest on players that are generally not "Memphis good" while still having to add recruits in June.

The roster is now completely unbalanced. The "hope" is that this team will not fall flat on its face and be competitive and use the experiences from this year to turn that into a possible NCAA team for 2018-19.

But, because of the roster imbalance, there is a strong possibility (assuming Memphis doesn't have another transfer catastrophe like this past year) that Memphis will lose four starters and two relied-upon bench guys from the 2018-19 team and have to "reset" again for 2019-20 with hopes of building in for '20-21 and '21-22.

And add to that, even if (likely best case scenario) Memphis gets some commitments for this early period, most targets that seem attainable are the type that will be 4-year players who begin to really blossom as juniors.

And this is all taking place as interest in Tigers basketball dips to a generationally low point, with ticket sales and attendance both nearing 40 year lows.

So, while this assessment may not be as dire as the op, there are a lot concerns about the way Tubby has and is doing things.

and

(09-06-2017 09:58 PM)Poster #2 Wrote:  Serious question for you Snow, what else is there to do BUT wait and see what the upcoming season brings? Seriously.
Should we all walk up and down the hall every waking moment wringing our hands and biting our fingernails until they bleed? Should we dig up the great Johnny Carson (my personal all time favorite entertainer) and his wingman Ed McMahon for an impromptu Carnac the Magnificent skit? How about hiring a psychic or better yet calling one of those 2 in the morning cable TV chicks, text her a picture of our palms and letting her tell us we're going to inherit $350 from a long lost aunt that we never knew?
Reaonable thinking keeps us from doing those types of ridiculous things and with the season approaching fairly quickly, too many variables are present to prematurely shovel dirt on the season. By the same token, those variable keep us from guaranteeing unprecedented success or even moderate success for that matter.
So rather than lock ourselves in the garage with the car running, while simultaneously slitting our collective wrists with the sharp edge of the human mole, gary parrish's, fresh Prada horn rimmed glasses, we avoid the highs and lows and genuinely, reasonably discuss the possibilities, good and bad, of a new season under a quality-yet-unproven-at-our-favorite-school coach.

It would be so much more relaxing...

I'd say post 1 was more unhinged.

I disagree.

Post 1, while noting some subtle negative slant to some comments, is mostly fact based, with a spoonful of retrospect.

Post 2, on the other hand, is an emotional, completely lacking-of-facts response to someone who poster 2 doesn't agree with.

I don't follow these circle-jerk threads much. What did I win?

You get to spend a fun filled day with Stammers and Tiger1983. Or... lit bamboo shoots under your toe nails... your choice

talk about an agenda...