(09-01-2017 11:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 10:57 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 04:01 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 03:50 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 03:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  While all of this falls under the category of "academic sins" there is a difference between giving great leniency in an actual course as opposed to fraudulently offering a course that never meets, billing the government or families or even the school itself for it, posting totally bogus grades for non-existent work, and then having the chutzpah to tout how clean your program is and how stellar your academics are.

Agreed

The basic deal in a moderately difficult class is:

1. Athlete attends every class
2. Athlete turns in all work
3. Athlete shows some semblance of learning
4. Athlete looks you in the eye
5. Athlete gets C-

My brother and I are both professors (not at the same school). We both teach difficult courses, and we've both had many athletes in class. Every single one has earned good grades on their own merits. In fact, on average, they outperformed non-athletes.

I'd say that the vast majority of athletes/rich heirs go to college for the same reasons as everyone else, and their achievements shouldn't be tarnished by the scandals that we read in the news.

I should have said male football player, basketball player, baseball player, and wrestler. I've never had an academic dud with any female athlete.

That's true. The men's sports teams at Auburn that always had the highest grade were the Swimmers and the Baseball players. Tennis and Golf would sneak in there every now and then but those guys like the Country Club life too much to be there regularly. I don't know where baseball stands this past year but since the scholarships are limited for baseball and most of the players know they aren't headed to the pros they push the books pretty hard.

I have been known to call baseball the last true college sport of the big 3 left at Auburn and our latest AD is doing his best to screw that up too.

I had the punter in my class once (at a Big 10 school). Which isn't reeeaaally a football player, but he's on the team. Kid was brilliant. He was easily the smartest student in the class of about 60.

(09-05-2017 07:53 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 11:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 10:57 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 04:01 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 03:50 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Agreed

The basic deal in a moderately difficult class is:

1. Athlete attends every class
2. Athlete turns in all work
3. Athlete shows some semblance of learning
4. Athlete looks you in the eye
5. Athlete gets C-

My brother and I are both professors (not at the same school). We both teach difficult courses, and we've both had many athletes in class. Every single one has earned good grades on their own merits. In fact, on average, they outperformed non-athletes.

I'd say that the vast majority of athletes/rich heirs go to college for the same reasons as everyone else, and their achievements shouldn't be tarnished by the scandals that we read in the news.

I should have said male football player, basketball player, baseball player, and wrestler. I've never had an academic dud with any female athlete.

That's true. The men's sports teams at Auburn that always had the highest grade were the Swimmers and the Baseball players. Tennis and Golf would sneak in there every now and then but those guys like the Country Club life too much to be there regularly. I don't know where baseball stands this past year but since the scholarships are limited for baseball and most of the players know they aren't headed to the pros they push the books pretty hard.

I have been known to call baseball the last true college sport of the big 3 left at Auburn and our latest AD is doing his best to screw that up too.

I had the punter in my class once (at a Big 10 school). Which isn't reeeaaally a football player, but he's on the team. Kid was brilliant. He was easily the smartest student in the class of about 60.

Way back when I was an undergraduate one my buddies was the long snapper on the football team. He put in all of the hours and still excelled. He's a veterinarian today, and an old one at that.