(08-29-2017 08:54 PM)JRsec Wrote: (08-29-2017 08:28 PM)nzmorange Wrote: (08-29-2017 07:09 PM)JRsec Wrote: (08-29-2017 06:43 PM)nzmorange Wrote: (08-29-2017 06:06 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: Well, I know I would prefer about as many quality teams on the schedule as I could get with a minimal number of cupcakes to fill things out.
To each his own I suppose.
Tell that to your school's football program.
(This isn't a shot at Alabama. It just clearly illustrates the point ... only unlike much of the ACC, Alabama doesn't have serious OOC rivals, and the SEC has a short conference-mandated schedule.)
Right.....? Alabama plays 9 P games this year and opens with Florida State. Yeah, they are definitely dodging folks. They do play Fresno State, Colorado State and Mercer. I'd call that a cut above what your 'Cuse is playing. And btw Auburn plays nine as well and plays Clemson in the second game. That's exactly the same number of P5 schools that your Orange play and they open up with Central Connecticut, Middle Tennessee and Central Michigan before playing L.S.U..
Alabama's schedule is probably better than ours.* That's probably true. But I'm not sure what your point is. I'm not the one arguing against cupcakes. Pretending like FSU/Clemson + 3 random schools isn't cupcake-heavy is a little much.
*Although, it might not be. FSU, Clemson, Miami, LSU, Louisville, Pitt, and NCSU are all pretty good.
And building off the point that tough conference schedules necessitate reasonable OOC schedules, I'll redirect you to the basketball prowess of the ACC's membership + the fact that the virtually the entire BIG EAST's upper echelon are either on SU's ball schedule every year, or would be in a perfect world (as evidenced by the fact that they regularity appear on SU's schedule). Tell me what's necessary and occupies the rest of the schedule.
You'll note I didn't enter into the basketball scheduling debate other than to point out the SEC plays 18 conference games now, so really what is the big deal over going to 20?
What prompted my response is now illustrated in bold above. Unlike the ACC Alabama doesn't have serious OOC rivals? They've played Ohio State, Michigan State, and now F.S.U., and I'm leaving out a couple, to open the season and all in very recent years. Your remark is rendered moot because Syracuse doesn't play any OOC rivals that are equal to those. Yet you took a shot at the Tide, a school I hate to have to defend because they are our rival.
Your remark was uncalled for, and simply flat out wrong.
That is the content to which I was replying. I don't give a hoot about basketball. We've committed funding to it and last year it paid dividends. It will take care of itself.
RE Alabama's Rivals:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_Cr...e_football
Count the number of non-SEC teams that are listed as rivals. I'm sure that Alabama has OOC rivals, heck, my alma mater, PSU, is one, but they aren't 'serious' rivals as evidenced by the fact that they don't even make the wikipedia page.
RE uncalled for:
It's 'called for' because it's a great analogy. Alabama fields a prestigious program that makes a ton of money by playing home games and it in what's usually the toughest division in what's usually the toughest conference. Syracuse field a prestigious program that makes a ton of money by playing home games and its in what's usually the toughest conference. The only difference between the two is the sport. Alabama rightfully plays cupcakes to offset it's tough SEC schedule AND to give it more home games. The same is true for SU. I don't see the difference. If you're OK w/ Alabama's OOC (which I am, and I assume most people are), then how can you argue against SU's OOC schedule?
RE who SU plays:
Our OOC rivals, which are true rivalries, as opposed to games against two teams that are just good, are Georgetown, UConn, Villanova, and St. John's. Since 2000, Georgetown has been to 1 FF, Nova has been to a FF AND won a NC, and UCONN has been to a FF and won 3 NC's.
Those are the schools that SU is trying to play every year.
In what world are those schools not equal to FSU/Clemson fb? FSU has one NC in that time-frame, as does Clemson, and they both have 1 FF.
RE basketball:
If you don't at least tangentially care about it, why are you replying to a discussion that's centered around basketball schedules?
RE being flat out wrong:
I've already addressed the OOC rivalry component to it. The ACC is also adopting a 20 game conference schedule (the equivalent of a 9 game football schedule), whereas SEC football plays an 8 game schedule.
RE SU football:
I struggle to see the relevance of your SU football remarks other than to randomly take shots at SU because I, an SU fan, supported Alabama's football scheduling philosophy because it mirror's SU's basketball philosophy.*
*As well as other former BE schools (who now comprise a substantial voting bloc within the ACC).
And, unless you have a reason other than to take shots, I think that your comments are uncalled for.