(08-15-2017 09:57 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 07:29 PM)Saint Greg Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 06:56 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 05:31 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 04:36 PM)Artifice Wrote:  All of the laptops mentioned are manufactured by the same 2 or 3 Taiwanese companies (all outsourced). The cases, badges, and bloatware create the appearance of differentiation and branding, but they are really all the same. In terms of value, what you're really buying is tech support department. To that end, I'd recommend a Dell. I'd also recommend watching techbargains or Slickdeals for laptop deals, and going with the editor picks.

Not the Mac. That's been mentioned also.

And to the guy who said they're pricy, they are, but well worth it. You'll go through two or more Windows crap computers in the time you'll have a Mac. You get what you pay for, and with Apple, you're just getting a much better product.

My son has spent over $500 in repairs on his 4 year old MAC....

you can buy 2 decent laptops just for the repair cost.

Yeah. No way I'd buy a MAC. They're good for graphics people but other than that they're just good for throwing money away. The only people I've known with Macs are the graphics guy at one of my previous employers, the graphic design department in college, and a big shot friend in Los Angeles.

You're a fool on this subject. Seriously, a real genuine fool. And I hate to see you give mistablinks bad advice. Mac's don't get viruses like PC's (and that alone can save you a ton of headaches), can ramp up and be operative much faster than PC's (which is great for mobility), have much better graphics and video clarity than PC's (much better for WebEx and other video products), and the Apple support is second to none. Every time I see a post like yours, I know the poster really doesn't know what he's talking about.

It is you who is misinformed. Macs do not necessarily have better graphics than other laptops - it all comes down to the hardware. Macs will have better hardware than some laptops but worse than others. The thing is, you're paying maybe twice as much for the Mac hardware plus the build quality of Macs is generally lackluster compared to some other laptop manufacturer.

The bigger issue is that the Mac user experience is VERY DIFFERENT from a Windows experience. Something as basic as how you open and close a window is vastly different. You also don't have nearly the ability to personalize the machine to your own taste like you can on a Windows machine. You'll also run into software that won't run on Macs and peripherals that don't play nice with Macs. Basically, unless you're really committed to switching to Macs I would not recommend it.

(08-15-2017 09:57 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 07:29 PM)Saint Greg Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 06:56 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 05:31 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 04:36 PM)Artifice Wrote:  All of the laptops mentioned are manufactured by the same 2 or 3 Taiwanese companies (all outsourced). The cases, badges, and bloatware create the appearance of differentiation and branding, but they are really all the same. In terms of value, what you're really buying is tech support department. To that end, I'd recommend a Dell. I'd also recommend watching techbargains or Slickdeals for laptop deals, and going with the editor picks.

Not the Mac. That's been mentioned also.

And to the guy who said they're pricy, they are, but well worth it. You'll go through two or more Windows crap computers in the time you'll have a Mac. You get what you pay for, and with Apple, you're just getting a much better product.

My son has spent over $500 in repairs on his 4 year old MAC....

you can buy 2 decent laptops just for the repair cost.

Yeah. No way I'd buy a MAC. They're good for graphics people but other than that they're just good for throwing money away. The only people I've known with Macs are the graphics guy at one of my previous employers, the graphic design department in college, and a big shot friend in Los Angeles.

You're a fool on this subject. Seriously, a real genuine fool. And I hate to see you give mistablinks bad advice. Mac's don't get viruses like PC's (and that alone can save you a ton of headaches), can ramp up and be operative much faster than PC's (which is great for mobility), have much better graphics and video clarity than PC's (much better for WebEx and other video products), and the Apple support is second to none. Every time I see a post like yours, I know the poster really doesn't know what he's talking about.

15 years in IT and I've only had one company that allowed a MAC (for the graphics guy) and it couldn't be on our network. None of my IT friends/gamers have Macs. My instructors at Tech wouldn't let us touch them. When I did a PC vs. Mac study I had to go to the art department to find a Mac at Tech.

I've had my Lenovo for four years and I've never had a virus. It's more about the user than the computer.

(08-15-2017 09:57 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 07:29 PM)Saint Greg Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 06:56 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 05:31 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 04:36 PM)Artifice Wrote:  All of the laptops mentioned are manufactured by the same 2 or 3 Taiwanese companies (all outsourced). The cases, badges, and bloatware create the appearance of differentiation and branding, but they are really all the same. In terms of value, what you're really buying is tech support department. To that end, I'd recommend a Dell. I'd also recommend watching techbargains or Slickdeals for laptop deals, and going with the editor picks.

Not the Mac. That's been mentioned also.

And to the guy who said they're pricy, they are, but well worth it. You'll go through two or more Windows crap computers in the time you'll have a Mac. You get what you pay for, and with Apple, you're just getting a much better product.

My son has spent over $500 in repairs on his 4 year old MAC....

you can buy 2 decent laptops just for the repair cost.

Yeah. No way I'd buy a MAC. They're good for graphics people but other than that they're just good for throwing money away. The only people I've known with Macs are the graphics guy at one of my previous employers, the graphic design department in college, and a big shot friend in Los Angeles.

You're a fool on this subject. Seriously, a real genuine fool. And I hate to see you give mistablinks bad advice. Mac's don't get viruses like PC's (and that alone can save you a ton of headaches), can ramp up and be operative much faster than PC's (which is great for mobility), have much better graphics and video clarity than PC's (much better for WebEx and other video products), and the Apple support is second to none. Every time I see a post like yours, I know the poster really doesn't know what he's talking about.

What the hell are you talking. MacOS or OSx what ever the hell you wanted to call it is a variant of unix and thus can be exploited if not properly kept uptodate or through an user account if not being careful. Like i said every single one of these available on market in the user space are vulnerable sometimes through the underlying packages s/w or though mistakes made by users using them. PC's, Mac OS/x, POSIX ones (Unix/Linux). Windows(PC's) are more vulnerable because of a larger userbase and a weak OS but Unix/Linux is also targeted and this companies spend a lot of man hours patching systems. I am not a user/supporter of PC's and i usually wipe windows off and go with some sort of Linux on my laptops/desktops. You are the one who is misinformed.

The virus argument on a mac isn't true. But the root of that rumor is due to the market share. you don't spend time writing a virus for a os that makes up ~7% of the market.

Didn't look at what you need but I've heard good things about http://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-spectre...-y5w39av-1

Just stay from dell. I'm only biased because I fix broken dell laptops everyday and I hate them

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(08-16-2017 06:05 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  Just stay from dell. I'm only biased because I fix broken dell laptops everyday and I hate them

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Yeah, I despise Dells.

Honestly, I don't fully recommend anything with Windows on it. Windows is defective garbage.

(08-16-2017 04:51 AM)Saint Greg Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 09:57 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 07:29 PM)Saint Greg Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 06:56 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 05:31 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  Not the Mac. That's been mentioned also.

And to the guy who said they're pricy, they are, but well worth it. You'll go through two or more Windows crap computers in the time you'll have a Mac. You get what you pay for, and with Apple, you're just getting a much better product.

My son has spent over $500 in repairs on his 4 year old MAC....

you can buy 2 decent laptops just for the repair cost.

Yeah. No way I'd buy a MAC. They're good for graphics people but other than that they're just good for throwing money away. The only people I've known with Macs are the graphics guy at one of my previous employers, the graphic design department in college, and a big shot friend in Los Angeles.

You're a fool on this subject. Seriously, a real genuine fool. And I hate to see you give mistablinks bad advice. Mac's don't get viruses like PC's (and that alone can save you a ton of headaches), can ramp up and be operative much faster than PC's (which is great for mobility), have much better graphics and video clarity than PC's (much better for WebEx and other video products), and the Apple support is second to none. Every time I see a post like yours, I know the poster really doesn't know what he's talking about.

15 years in IT and I've only had one company that allowed a MAC (for the graphics guy) and it couldn't be on our network. None of my IT friends/gamers have Macs. My instructors at Tech wouldn't let us touch them. When I did a PC vs. Mac study I had to go to the art department to find a Mac at Tech.

I've had my Lenovo for four years and I've never had a virus. It's more about the user than the computer.

15 years in IT and you are this wrong? I can understand some of these other CUSA folks not knowing better, but we should expect more from you, a guy who has spent "15 yrs in IT".

My experience comes from seeing thousands of these things perform in our high tech workplace. My company is a Dow Industrial 30 company and the world's leading Tech network company. Since you mentioned your LA Tech training, I must presume that much of your experience comes from the LA Tech IT department. While I love LA Tech, it's fairly indisputable that most colleges typically have older and more antiquated computer equipment. LA Tech is no exception.

Lenova, headquartered in Beijing, China, is essentially a legacy product of IBM, originally manufactured by IBM before IBM sold their interest in the line to Lenova back in 2005. EVEN IBM GAVE UP ON THE PC's!

Lenova makes a better product today than they used to, and the Microsoft product is still very good. But these products are not native to each other like the MAC alternative. Like any "PC" product, you're laying a 3rd party "Microsoft" product over a separate manufacturers Lenova hardware. If that's what you want to do, you can simply run "Windows For MAC".

We've been moving our "PC" people (mostly those who are not afraid to simply try a MAC) off of the Lenova/IBM legacy product for the last 2 to 4 years. IMO, Lenova's are higher to maintain compared to a MAC, and like all "PC" products, they are much more susceptible to getting viruses than MAC's.

https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000737.htm

But hey, everybody has their own opinion on this, and I just hope mistablinks finds what he wants and needs.

We're a Dell shop. Only had a couple issues with their products. I buy latitude or precision laptops/mobile workstations. If youre shopping in the inspiron and home office line they suck. Precision or latitude or don't bother with a Dell. And the xps line is a coin flip imo.

Next week I'm getting a couple seed units to try out some of their surface clones. Also going to spread our wings and check out some think pads and hp based on some recent input.

Posted from mobile device. Hopefully it's coherent.

We got a smattering of surface 3 and 4s. 3 folks are asking me to replace their surfaces tho. They're all having random video issues. They might be gifts for my staff soon. Looking at the 13t hp or the 2 in 1 7000 latitude as a alternative.

Posted from mobile device. Hopefully it's coherent.

(08-16-2017 06:47 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  We're a Dell shop. Only had a couple issues with their products. I buy latitude or precision laptops/mobile workstations. If youre shopping in the inspiron and home office line they suck. Precision or latitude or don't bother with a Dell. And the xps line is a coin flip imo.

Next week I'm getting a couple seed units to try out some of their surface clones. Also going to spread our wings and check out some think pads and hp based on some recent input.

Posted from mobile device. Hopefully it's coherent.

Not sure I've ever had a Dell die on me, but they seem to be very susceptible to Windows "bit rot" (i.e. getting inexplicably slower over time), and generally to underperforming their spec sheet. Also, they have ****** audio (if you care about that), and bizarre power management features.

(08-16-2017 06:42 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 04:51 AM)Saint Greg Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 09:57 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 07:29 PM)Saint Greg Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 06:56 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  My son has spent over $500 in repairs on his 4 year old MAC....

you can buy 2 decent laptops just for the repair cost.

Yeah. No way I'd buy a MAC. They're good for graphics people but other than that they're just good for throwing money away. The only people I've known with Macs are the graphics guy at one of my previous employers, the graphic design department in college, and a big shot friend in Los Angeles.

You're a fool on this subject. Seriously, a real genuine fool. And I hate to see you give mistablinks bad advice. Mac's don't get viruses like PC's (and that alone can save you a ton of headaches), can ramp up and be operative much faster than PC's (which is great for mobility), have much better graphics and video clarity than PC's (much better for WebEx and other video products), and the Apple support is second to none. Every time I see a post like yours, I know the poster really doesn't know what he's talking about.

15 years in IT and I've only had one company that allowed a MAC (for the graphics guy) and it couldn't be on our network. None of my IT friends/gamers have Macs. My instructors at Tech wouldn't let us touch them. When I did a PC vs. Mac study I had to go to the art department to find a Mac at Tech.

I've had my Lenovo for four years and I've never had a virus. It's more about the user than the computer.

15 years in IT and you are this wrong? I can understand some of these other CUSA folks not knowing better, but we should expect more from you, a guy who has spent "15 yrs in IT".

My experience comes from seeing thousands of these things perform in our high tech workplace. My company is a Dow Industrial 30 company and the world's leading Tech network company. Since you mentioned your LA Tech training, I must presume that much of your experience comes from the LA Tech IT department. While I love LA Tech, it's fairly indisputable that most colleges typically have older and more antiquated computer equipment. LA Tech is no exception.

Lenova, headquartered in Beijing, China, is essentially a legacy product of IBM, originally manufactured by IBM before IBM sold their interest in the line to Lenova back in 2005. EVEN IBM GAVE UP ON THE PC's!

Lenova makes a better product today than they used to, and the Microsoft product is still very good. But these products are not native to each other like the MAC alternative. Like any "PC" product, you're laying a 3rd party "Microsoft" product over a separate manufacturers Lenova hardware. If that's what you want to do, you can simply run "Windows For MAC".

We've been moving our "PC" people (mostly those who are not afraid to simply try a MAC) off of the Lenova/IBM legacy product for the last 2 to 4 years. IMO, Lenova's are higher to maintain compared to a MAC, and like all "PC" products, they are much more susceptible to getting viruses than MAC's.

https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000737.htm

But hey, everybody has their own opinion on this, and I just hope mistablinks finds what he wants and needs.

I don't work for Tech. I went to Tech. And on day 1 we were told they wouldn't allow us to touch Macs because businesses don't use them. So far they were correct.

My current company is only 4 years old. We have the latest and greatest everything. Dells and Surface Pros are what we use. No macs allowed.

My previous employer is a Fortune 500 company with over 30,000 employees. They use Dell everything. They won't allow a Mac on their network.

I also worked in military intelligence. They were pretty high on security there. No macs. All Dells when I left.

(08-16-2017 06:49 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  We got a smattering of surface 3 and 4s. 3 folks are asking me to replace their surfaces tho. They're all having random video issues. They might be gifts for my staff soon. Looking at the 13t hp or the 2 in 1 7000 latitude as a alternative.

Posted from mobile device. Hopefully it's coherent.

We switched from Acers to Surface Pro about 18 months ago. We had problems with the Acer screens randomly going out. But I haven't had a problem with a Surface Pro yet.

I might have to talk to a few of y'all about job opportunities I work on hardware right now but my field is network/cyber security. At least that's what it says on my degree.

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(08-16-2017 07:25 PM)Saint Greg Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 06:42 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 04:51 AM)Saint Greg Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 09:57 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 07:29 PM)Saint Greg Wrote:  Yeah. No way I'd buy a MAC. They're good for graphics people but other than that they're just good for throwing money away. The only people I've known with Macs are the graphics guy at one of my previous employers, the graphic design department in college, and a big shot friend in Los Angeles.

You're a fool on this subject. Seriously, a real genuine fool. And I hate to see you give mistablinks bad advice. Mac's don't get viruses like PC's (and that alone can save you a ton of headaches), can ramp up and be operative much faster than PC's (which is great for mobility), have much better graphics and video clarity than PC's (much better for WebEx and other video products), and the Apple support is second to none. Every time I see a post like yours, I know the poster really doesn't know what he's talking about.

15 years in IT and I've only had one company that allowed a MAC (for the graphics guy) and it couldn't be on our network. None of my IT friends/gamers have Macs. My instructors at Tech wouldn't let us touch them. When I did a PC vs. Mac study I had to go to the art department to find a Mac at Tech.

I've had my Lenovo for four years and I've never had a virus. It's more about the user than the computer.

15 years in IT and you are this wrong? I can understand some of these other CUSA folks not knowing better, but we should expect more from you, a guy who has spent "15 yrs in IT".

My experience comes from seeing thousands of these things perform in our high tech workplace. My company is a Dow Industrial 30 company and the world's leading Tech network company. Since you mentioned your LA Tech training, I must presume that much of your experience comes from the LA Tech IT department. While I love LA Tech, it's fairly indisputable that most colleges typically have older and more antiquated computer equipment. LA Tech is no exception.

Lenova, headquartered in Beijing, China, is essentially a legacy product of IBM, originally manufactured by IBM before IBM sold their interest in the line to Lenova back in 2005. EVEN IBM GAVE UP ON THE PC's!

Lenova makes a better product today than they used to, and the Microsoft product is still very good. But these products are not native to each other like the MAC alternative. Like any "PC" product, you're laying a 3rd party "Microsoft" product over a separate manufacturers Lenova hardware. If that's what you want to do, you can simply run "Windows For MAC".

We've been moving our "PC" people (mostly those who are not afraid to simply try a MAC) off of the Lenova/IBM legacy product for the last 2 to 4 years. IMO, Lenova's are higher to maintain compared to a MAC, and like all "PC" products, they are much more susceptible to getting viruses than MAC's.

https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000737.htm

But hey, everybody has their own opinion on this, and I just hope mistablinks finds what he wants and needs.

I don't work for Tech. I went to Tech. And on day 1 we were told they wouldn't allow us to touch Macs because businesses don't use them. So far they were correct.

My current company is only 4 years old. We have the latest and greatest everything. Dells and Surface Pros are what we use. No macs allowed.

My previous employer is a Fortune 500 company with over 30,000 employees. They use Dell everything. They won't allow a Mac on their network.

I also worked in military intelligence. They were pretty high on security there. No macs. All Dells when I left.

You've lost your mind.

(08-16-2017 07:54 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  I might have to talk to a few of y'all about job opportunities I work on hardware right now but my field is network/cyber security. At least that's what it says on my degree.

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If I'm ever hiring I'll let you know.

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(08-16-2017 07:28 PM)Saint Greg Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 06:49 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  We got a smattering of surface 3 and 4s. 3 folks are asking me to replace their surfaces tho. They're all having random video issues. They might be gifts for my staff soon. Looking at the 13t hp or the 2 in 1 7000 latitude as a alternative.

Posted from mobile device. Hopefully it's coherent.

We switched from Acers to Surface Pro about 18 months ago. We had problems with the Acer screens randomly going out. But I haven't had a problem with a Surface Pro yet.

Ya, we didn't appear to have any issues for a long time (minus the pos wireless card MS skimped on in some of the original surfaces) but all the sudden 3 of the last 4 or so we got were just unreliable. Shrug.

Cheetah Club

I found myself revisiting this thread as I might have to suck it up and be in the market for a new laptop.

I am budget customer this time around.

$250-400 MAX.

Need an optical disc drive.
HDD size doesn't really matter.
Built in sd card reader a plus.
best processor/ram I can get

Ideally, a 15.6" screen as that is the size I currently have.

I'm brand neutral but I think either my brother and I hit bad units from them or they are over hyped and not made well.

I've seen a sale priced $350 Dell that seems to fit me
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-inspir...Id=5835852

I get the feeling that 4GB of ram in some of these taht go sub $300 isn't really enough with the way some browsers work.

(08-28-2017 07:24 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  I found myself revisiting this thread as I might have to suck it up and be in the market for a new laptop.

I am budget customer this time around.

$250-400 MAX.

Need an optical disc drive.
HDD size doesn't really matter.
Built in sd card reader a plus.
best processor/ram I can get

Ideally, a 15.6" screen as that is the size I currently have.

I'm brand neutral but I think either my brother and I hit bad units from them or they are over hyped and not made well.

I've seen a sale priced $350 Dell that seems to fit me
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-inspir...Id=5835852

I get the feeling that 4GB of ram in some of these taht go sub $300 isn't really enough with the way some browsers work.

Our basic users get i3's with 4GB RAM. I have an i7 with 8GB RAM. If you can find an i5 for not too much more, I'd go with that...otherwise I think you're good with that one.