The UTR movement should not make this a race movement. There are millions of Hispanics (I know, we're white but not considered that) which share the UTR mind think. We're Americans who share a passionate pride in our country and there have been thousands of Hispanics of every ethnicity that have given their lives for this country. Don't make it a White Only Movement and I'm sure there will be many Hispanics ANNNDDDD Blacks that will march with you.

It should come down to an Idealogical Movement...i.e. America First.

(08-12-2017 11:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 11:44 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 08:18 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  The confederate flag. The world's greatest participation trophy. Do monuments of Hitler still stand in Germany? Move the statue to a museum.

They sure do stand today.

That is American made steel railroads right there, courtesy of EH Harriman.
The American Industrialists made a fortune rebuilding Germany post WW1.

And American liberal elites were in love with Hitler and Mussolini in the early 1930s. Just as they were in love with Chavez and Maduro, until Venezuela ran out of bread.

Word

My cause is preserving American history and keeping the memory of long-dead soldiers and their memorials and symbols out of modern day political fights.

Neither of these groups are on my side.

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My brother unknowingly ventured to Charlottesville this weekend for a wine trip. He was in downtown Charlottesville this not ing for breakfast and sent me several photos. There are cops in riot gear everywhere.

(08-12-2017 11:51 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  My cause is preserving American history and keeping the memory of long-dead soldiers and their memorials and symbols out of modern day political fights.

Neither of these groups are on my side.

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...and you can thank the Liberalturds for trying to quelch history. If one forgets what happened people are apt to repeat it. We can't forget that communism and socialism doesn't work but Liberalturds continue trying to change governments to that ideology KNOWING that they are catastrophic, i.e. Cuba, USSR, Venezuela, etc. Even the countrys that are/were communist tend to go the Capitalist route because that's what feeds, employs the people and keeps them happy. The only ones that don't like capitalism are the basement dwellers that hate to work for their upkeep.

(08-12-2017 08:55 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I have to say...those that are claiming that reverence for Confederate symbols and statues outside of historical battlefields and military museums....aren't being helped by the full throated support of these white nationalists.

This is "hate not heritage" on display.

People who are "heritage not hate" have to realize that there are TWO threats to their heritage.

One that pretends to agree and pretends to be helping...while really just appropriating/stealing the historical symbols.

I'm afraid us real history buffs are going to see hard times where historical artifacts, memorials, parks, monuments, etc. are destroyed by these two.

Save what you can.



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(08-12-2017 11:46 AM)olliebaba Wrote:  The UTR movement should not make this a race movement. There are millions of Hispanics (I know, we're white but not considered that) which share the UTR mind think. We're Americans who share a passionate pride in our country and there have been thousands of Hispanics of every ethnicity that have given their lives for this country. Don't make it a White Only Movement and I'm sure there will be many Hispanics ANNNDDDD Blacks that will march with you.

It should come down to an Idealogical Movement...i.e. America First.

There are no more America first movements. It's all about the interests of certain groups. This is America today and until we get good leadership that can unite.

(08-12-2017 12:01 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 11:51 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  My cause is preserving American history and keeping the memory of long-dead soldiers and their memorials and symbols out of modern day political fights.

Neither of these groups are on my side.

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...and you can thank the Liberalturds for trying to quelch history. If one forgets what happened people are apt to repeat it. We can't forget that communism and socialism doesn't work but Liberalturds continue trying to change governments to that ideology KNOWING that they are catastrophic, i.e. Cuba, USSR, Venezuela, etc. Even the countrys that are/were communist tend to go the Capitalist route because that's what feeds, employs the people and keeps them happy. The only ones that don't like capitalism are the basement dwellers that hate to work for their upkeep.

I don't think any of this has much to do with the issue at hand.

Tiki torch business is a booming.

I'm watching the Fox News story in Charlottesville and I can't tell the good guys UTR from the Antifa communists. They need armbands. or something.

The same thing in our coming wars. It seems everyone is wearing American style helmets now. How will we able to tell who to shoot?

(08-12-2017 12:03 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  There are no more America first movements. It's all about the interests of certain groups. This is America today and until we get good leadership that can unite.

Do we have any leaders on either side who want to unite?

(08-12-2017 12:13 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  I'm watching the Fox News story in Charlottesville and I can't tell the good guys UTR from the Antifa communists. They need armbands. or something.

The same thing in our coming wars. It seems everyone is wearing American style helmets now. How will we able to tell who to shoot?

Simple. Shoot everyone.

(08-12-2017 11:46 AM)olliebaba Wrote:  The UTR movement should not make this a race movement. There are millions of Hispanics (I know, we're white but not considered that) which share the UTR mind think. We're Americans who share a passionate pride in our country and there have been thousands of Hispanics of every ethnicity that have given their lives for this country. Don't make it a White Only Movement and I'm sure there will be many Hispanics ANNNDDDD Blacks that will march with you.

It should come down to an Idealogical Movement...i.e. America First.

As I said, it is a result of identity politics. I agree with you though.

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(08-12-2017 12:03 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 11:46 AM)olliebaba Wrote:  The UTR movement should not make this a race movement. There are millions of Hispanics (I know, we're white but not considered that) which share the UTR mind think. We're Americans who share a passionate pride in our country and there have been thousands of Hispanics of every ethnicity that have given their lives for this country. Don't make it a White Only Movement and I'm sure there will be many Hispanics ANNNDDDD Blacks that will march with you.

It should come down to an Idealogical Movement...i.e. America First.

There are no more America first movements. It's all about the interests of certain groups. This is America today and until we get good leadership that can unite.

Bingo

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(08-12-2017 12:18 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 12:13 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  I'm watching the Fox News story in Charlottesville and I can't tell the good guys UTR from the Antifa communists. They need armbands. or something.

The same thing in our coming wars. It seems everyone is wearing American style helmets now. How will we able to tell who to shoot?

Simple. Shoot everyone.

I like the plan!

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(08-12-2017 12:15 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 12:03 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  There are no more America first movements. It's all about the interests of certain groups. This is America today and until we get good leadership that can unite.

Do we have any leaders on either side who want to unite?

Its a lot like this monument fight.

You have one group who wants the white supremacists to own them so they can knock them down.

You have white supremacists who want to appropriate them as symbols for their own modern dogma.

Where are the normal people? Why do these two groups of freaks get to own the Civil War and normal people don't anymore? Because normal people let them.

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(08-12-2017 12:18 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 12:13 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  I'm watching the Fox News story in Charlottesville and I can't tell the good guys UTR from the Antifa communists. They need armbands. or something.

The same thing in our coming wars. It seems everyone is wearing American style helmets now. How will we able to tell who to shoot?

Simple. Shoot everyone.

Democrats. Party of violence and hate.

(08-12-2017 09:35 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 01:08 AM)hburg Wrote:  I find this news story to be a bit odd. Why would the national guard be on call for Unite the right rally and not for Antifa or BLM? The latter two have been known to show terroristic activities of violence, especially toward cops. http://www.nbc29.com/story/36117768/virg...ight-rally

1,000 people with torches is a reason to call out the national guard.

Well, maybe.

This seems to have escalated a bit today, no doubt with the fake antifas showing up as the rent-a-rioters.

The march/walk whatever last night was pretty peaceful for the most part, at least so it appeared.

But that aside, none of this is helping anyone or anything.

(08-12-2017 12:26 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 12:18 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 12:13 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  I'm watching the Fox News story in Charlottesville and I can't tell the good guys UTR from the Antifa communists. They need armbands. or something.

The same thing in our coming wars. It seems everyone is wearing American style helmets now. How will we able to tell who to shoot?

Simple. Shoot everyone.

Democrats. Party of violence and hate.

Says the party of white suprimisist.

(08-12-2017 12:26 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 12:18 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(08-12-2017 12:13 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  I'm watching the Fox News story in Charlottesville and I can't tell the good guys UTR from the Antifa communists. They need armbands. or something.

The same thing in our coming wars. It seems everyone is wearing American style helmets now. How will we able to tell who to shoot?

Simple. Shoot everyone.

Democrats. Party of violence and hate.

Dude, stop stalking me. Stop or I'll shoot. lol