Clarity, UMKC got a home game against Mississippi State. It is possible to schedule a power conference school, but even a game against St. Mary's or San Diego State or UNLV or UCI should be possible for a program that has been playing as well as CSUB. I just don't see Idaho or Georgia Southern as "interesting" or entertaining. Plus, why is CSUB going down to Beaumont, Texas to play Lamar?

(08-15-2017 07:29 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 02:06 AM)Clarity Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 12:59 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(08-14-2017 04:41 PM)Clarity Wrote:  Two overlooked OOC games. Idaho at CSUB and Georgia Southern at CSUB for the return leg of a home and home. Idaho made the CIT and beat Stephen F Austin and Georgia Southern made the CBI. Both have a lot returning and should be good. Idaho is being picked by a lot of people as the Big Sky champs, very excited about that game. Georgia Southern is nothing to sleep on either and have two guys who should be all conference with Ike Smith and Tookie Brown. UT-Arlington should take the conference but Georgia Southern should be in contention. Another great game for CSUB. I would imagine both games will be sold out as well.

Idaho and Georgia Southern are not impresssive. CSUB has had two very good seasons in a row and they should do better than Idaho and Georgia Southern.

First off I never even said they were impressive I said they were interesting games and teams that should be in the hunt for their conference title especially Idaho. Also home games against? Yeah right. How can you actually believe that? No P5 or high tier mid-major is coming to play us at home. Especially after two years of success. Getting good teams to come to play you at home as a mid major is impossible. Do you not know a lot about college basketball scheduleing? As of right now NMSU doesn't have any big teams coming to their home court, UNM doesn't count because it's a traditional game. Last year their biggest game at home that wasn't traditional was what a mediocre Air Force team? CSUB can't do better than NMSU because they have far more resources. So should they be doing a lot better? No, getting high quality teams to play you at home is near impossible for a conference like the WAC. Don't mention GCU as they are an outlier with a boatload of money.

I agree, for the most part no P5 program wants to play a WAC school in their venue. This is why it's been impressive GCU and Seattle have been able to host ACC and PAC12 schools in recent years. As these programs improve, those home games will be harder to schedule. As for NMSU, in the last four seasons (the time CSUB has been in the WAC) besides our annual rivalry with UNM and UTEP, we've hosted South Alabama, UC Irvine, Colorado State, Wyoming, Oral Roberts, Tennessee Tech, Long Beach State, and Air Force. This season NMSU is expected to host Colorado State and San Diego once the schedule is finalized. There have been good MWC and BWC schools which have come to the Pan American Center.

The reason I made note of games like NMSU games against UNM and UTEP and UVU's games against BYU and Weber State is because their is a community interest which could give these games an additional bump in attendance; outliers from the WAC's typical home games. CSUB hosting Fresno State is that type of game. BUT, CSUB needs a bigger venue to fully benefit from the interest this type of game could draw. As I said prior, CSUB is capped at under 4K playing in the Icardo Center.

Top attendance games (in last four seasons) of the four programs I think will drive WAC attendance in the future...

New Mexico State
1. Chicago State (3/7/15) - 12,572
2. UTEP (11/15/13) - 10,019
3. UM Kansas City (1/2/17) - 9,893

Grand Canyon
1. UM Kansas City (2/25/17) - 7,502
2. Louisville (12/3/16) - 7,493
3. New Mexico State (2/11/17) - 7,479

Utah Valley
1. Utah State (12/10/16) - 6,792
2. New Mexico State (1/28/17) - 6,246
3. Utah State (12/13/14) - 6,121

Seattle U.
1. Washington (12/22/16) - 6,163
2. Washington (11/21/14) - 5,319
3. Idaho (3/1/14) - 3,573

What was so significant about that Chi. St. game?

(08-15-2017 10:04 AM)ThunderDan49_2 Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 07:29 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 02:06 AM)Clarity Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 12:59 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(08-14-2017 04:41 PM)Clarity Wrote:  Two overlooked OOC games. Idaho at CSUB and Georgia Southern at CSUB for the return leg of a home and home. Idaho made the CIT and beat Stephen F Austin and Georgia Southern made the CBI. Both have a lot returning and should be good. Idaho is being picked by a lot of people as the Big Sky champs, very excited about that game. Georgia Southern is nothing to sleep on either and have two guys who should be all conference with Ike Smith and Tookie Brown. UT-Arlington should take the conference but Georgia Southern should be in contention. Another great game for CSUB. I would imagine both games will be sold out as well. Glad you are back 49!

Idaho and Georgia Southern are not impresssive. CSUB has had two very good seasons in a row and they should do better than Idaho and Georgia Southern.

First off I never even said they were impressive I said they were interesting games and teams that should be in the hunt for their conference title especially Idaho. Also home games against? Yeah right. How can you actually believe that? No P5 or high tier mid-major is coming to play us at home. Especially after two years of success. Getting good teams to come to play you at home as a mid major is impossible. Do you not know a lot about college basketball scheduleing? As of right now NMSU doesn't have any big teams coming to their home court, UNM doesn't count because it's a traditional game. Last year their biggest game at home that wasn't traditional was what a mediocre Air Force team? CSUB can't do better than NMSU because they have far more resources. So should they be doing a lot better? No, getting high quality teams to play you at home is near impossible for a conference like the WAC. Don't mention GCU as they are an outlier with a boatload of money.

I agree, for the most part no P5 program wants to play a WAC school in their venue. This is why it's been impressive GCU and Seattle have been able to host ACC and PAC12 schools in recent years. As these programs improve, those home games will be harder to schedule. As for NMSU, in the last four seasons (the time CSUB has been in the WAC) besides our annual rivalry with UNM and UTEP, we've hosted South Alabama, UC Irvine, Colorado State, Wyoming, Oral Roberts, Tennessee Tech, Long Beach State, and Air Force. This season NMSU is expected to host Colorado State and San Diego once the schedule is finalized. There have been good MWC and BWC schools which have come to the Pan American Center.

The reason I made note of games like NMSU games against UNM and UTEP and UVU's games against BYU and Weber State is because their is a community interest which could give these games an additional bump in attendance; outliers from the WAC's typical home games. CSUB hosting Fresno State is that type of game. BUT, CSUB needs a bigger venue to fully benefit from the interest this type of game could draw. As I said prior, CSUB is capped at under 4K playing in the Icardo Center.

Top attendance games (in last four seasons) of the four programs I think will drive WAC attendance in the future...

New Mexico State
1. Chicago State (3/7/15) - 12,572
2. UTEP (11/15/13) - 10,019
3. UM Kansas City (1/2/17) - 9,893

Grand Canyon
1. UM Kansas City (2/25/17) - 7,502
2. Louisville (12/3/16) - 7,493
3. New Mexico State (2/11/17) - 7,479

Utah Valley
1. Utah State (12/10/16) - 6,792
2. New Mexico State (1/28/17) - 6,246
3. Utah State (12/13/14) - 6,121

Seattle U.
1. Washington (12/22/16) - 6,163
2. Washington (11/21/14) - 5,319
3. Idaho (3/1/14) - 3,573

What was so significant about that Chi. St. game?

Our AD and his staff like this last year for UMKC when there was almost 10000 did a major campaign to sellout. That is why. Our AD likes to pick games that generally speaking, no one cares about the opponent to pack the place. Over the years what is happening at many schools, attendance is dropping for college sports due to higher cost for tickets, lack of interest with college kids who are distracted by a million other forms of entertainment. I know Grand Canyon is the exception to the rule and kudos. Before someone jumps in and says Bakersfield's attendance is the most improved and they had a bunch of sellouts I say to that the numbers improved because basically no one was going to games before and it's not hard to sellout a tiny gym.

(08-15-2017 10:23 AM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 10:04 AM)ThunderDan49_2 Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 07:29 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 02:06 AM)Clarity Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 12:59 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Idaho and Georgia Southern are not impresssive. CSUB has had two very good seasons in a row and they should do better than Idaho and Georgia Southern.

First off I never even said they were impressive I said they were interesting games and teams that should be in the hunt for their conference title especially Idaho. Also home games against? Yeah right. How can you actually believe that? No P5 or high tier mid-major is coming to play us at home. Especially after two years of success. Getting good teams to come to play you at home as a mid major is impossible. Do you not know a lot about college basketball scheduleing? As of right now NMSU doesn't have any big teams coming to their home court, UNM doesn't count because it's a traditional game. Last year their biggest game at home that wasn't traditional was what a mediocre Air Force team? CSUB can't do better than NMSU because they have far more resources. So should they be doing a lot better? No, getting high quality teams to play you at home is near impossible for a conference like the WAC. Don't mention GCU as they are an outlier with a boatload of money.

I agree, for the most part no P5 program wants to play a WAC school in their venue. This is why it's been impressive GCU and Seattle have been able to host ACC and PAC12 schools in recent years. As these programs improve, those home games will be harder to schedule. As for NMSU, in the last four seasons (the time CSUB has been in the WAC) besides our annual rivalry with UNM and UTEP, we've hosted South Alabama, UC Irvine, Colorado State, Wyoming, Oral Roberts, Tennessee Tech, Long Beach State, and Air Force. This season NMSU is expected to host Colorado State and San Diego once the schedule is finalized. There have been good MWC and BWC schools which have come to the Pan American Center.

The reason I made note of games like NMSU games against UNM and UTEP and UVU's games against BYU and Weber State is because their is a community interest which could give these games an additional bump in attendance; outliers from the WAC's typical home games. CSUB hosting Fresno State is that type of game. BUT, CSUB needs a bigger venue to fully benefit from the interest this type of game could draw. As I said prior, CSUB is capped at under 4K playing in the Icardo Center.

Top attendance games (in last four seasons) of the four programs I think will drive WAC attendance in the future...

New Mexico State
1. Chicago State (3/7/15) - 12,572
2. UTEP (11/15/13) - 10,019
3. UM Kansas City (1/2/17) - 9,893

Grand Canyon
1. UM Kansas City (2/25/17) - 7,502
2. Louisville (12/3/16) - 7,493
3. New Mexico State (2/11/17) - 7,479

Utah Valley
1. Utah State (12/10/16) - 6,792
2. New Mexico State (1/28/17) - 6,246
3. Utah State (12/13/14) - 6,121

Seattle U.
1. Washington (12/22/16) - 6,163
2. Washington (11/21/14) - 5,319
3. Idaho (3/1/14) - 3,573

What was so significant about that Chi. St. game?

Our AD and his staff like this last year for UMKC when there was almost 10000 did a major campaign to sellout. That is why. Our AD likes to pick games that generally speaking, no one cares about the opponent to pack the place. Over the years what is happening at many schools, attendance is dropping for college sports due to higher cost for tickets, lack of interest with college kids who are distracted by a million other forms of entertainment. I know Grand Canyon is the exception to the rule and kudos. Before someone jumps in and says Bakersfield's attendance is the most improved and they had a bunch of sellouts I say to that the numbers improved because basically no one was going to games before and it's not hard to sellout a tiny gym.

It's such backwards marketing though. We should be putting time and effort into the game that people WANT to be at, that mean something, that are exciting so that they come back for more. To funnel people into a boring blowout of UMKC that means absolutely nothing is so far removed from best practices of selling a product well. The return on investment is much higher if we invest in something that will bring customers back wanting more.

(08-15-2017 10:33 AM)pistolp747 Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 10:23 AM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 10:04 AM)ThunderDan49_2 Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 07:29 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 02:06 AM)Clarity Wrote:  First off I never even said they were impressive I said they were interesting games and teams that should be in the hunt for their conference title especially Idaho. Also home games against? Yeah right. How can you actually believe that? No P5 or high tier mid-major is coming to play us at home. Especially after two years of success. Getting good teams to come to play you at home as a mid major is impossible. Do you not know a lot about college basketball scheduleing? As of right now NMSU doesn't have any big teams coming to their home court, UNM doesn't count because it's a traditional game. Last year their biggest game at home that wasn't traditional was what a mediocre Air Force team? CSUB can't do better than NMSU because they have far more resources. So should they be doing a lot better? No, getting high quality teams to play you at home is near impossible for a conference like the WAC. Don't mention GCU as they are an outlier with a boatload of money.

I agree, for the most part no P5 program wants to play a WAC school in their venue. This is why it's been impressive GCU and Seattle have been able to host ACC and PAC12 schools in recent years. As these programs improve, those home games will be harder to schedule. As for NMSU, in the last four seasons (the time CSUB has been in the WAC) besides our annual rivalry with UNM and UTEP, we've hosted South Alabama, UC Irvine, Colorado State, Wyoming, Oral Roberts, Tennessee Tech, Long Beach State, and Air Force. This season NMSU is expected to host Colorado State and San Diego once the schedule is finalized. There have been good MWC and BWC schools which have come to the Pan American Center.

The reason I made note of games like NMSU games against UNM and UTEP and UVU's games against BYU and Weber State is because their is a community interest which could give these games an additional bump in attendance; outliers from the WAC's typical home games. CSUB hosting Fresno State is that type of game. BUT, CSUB needs a bigger venue to fully benefit from the interest this type of game could draw. As I said prior, CSUB is capped at under 4K playing in the Icardo Center.

Top attendance games (in last four seasons) of the four programs I think will drive WAC attendance in the future...

New Mexico State
1. Chicago State (3/7/15) - 12,572
2. UTEP (11/15/13) - 10,019
3. UM Kansas City (1/2/17) - 9,893

Grand Canyon
1. UM Kansas City (2/25/17) - 7,502
2. Louisville (12/3/16) - 7,493
3. New Mexico State (2/11/17) - 7,479

Utah Valley
1. Utah State (12/10/16) - 6,792
2. New Mexico State (1/28/17) - 6,246
3. Utah State (12/13/14) - 6,121

Seattle U.
1. Washington (12/22/16) - 6,163
2. Washington (11/21/14) - 5,319
3. Idaho (3/1/14) - 3,573

What was so significant about that Chi. St. game?

Our AD and his staff like this last year for UMKC when there was almost 10000 did a major campaign to sellout. That is why. Our AD likes to pick games that generally speaking, no one cares about the opponent to pack the place. Over the years what is happening at many schools, attendance is dropping for college sports due to higher cost for tickets, lack of interest with college kids who are distracted by a million other forms of entertainment. I know Grand Canyon is the exception to the rule and kudos. Before someone jumps in and says Bakersfield's attendance is the most improved and they had a bunch of sellouts I say to that the numbers improved because basically no one was going to games before and it's not hard to sellout a tiny gym.

It's such backwards marketing though. We should be putting time and effort into the game that people WANT to be at, that mean something, that are exciting so that they come back for more. To funnel people into a boring blowout of UMKC that means absolutely nothing is so far removed from best practices of selling a product well. The return on investment is much higher if we invest in something that will bring customers back wanting more.

When Moccia first attempted "Pack the PAC" against Chicago State in the last home game of the season, it got great response. But since it was the last home game of the season, there was no carry over of support. Then, in Moccias next attempt to Pack the PAC, he chose the first game of the WAC schedule with the hopes that there would be some carry over from WAC game to WAC game. Unfortunately, most fair weathered Aggie fans saw this as a one time event rather than a bandwagon leading them to attend other Aggie home games. So, it hasn't been about the specific game but more about the timing in the season. This season, I believe NMSU plays its first home WAC game against Seattle U. We will see if Moccia attempts another Pack the PAC again this season; hopefully with better results to increase attendance throughout the season.

I say pack the Pan Am for Majerle and the Lopes

(08-14-2017 11:35 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Here's a pot shot. Your gym sucks. Get a real college arena. Las Cruces high school gyms are bigger and nicer.

This comment never gets old because it's sad but true.

(08-15-2017 09:57 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Clarity, UMKC got a home game against Mississippi State. It is possible to schedule a power conference school, but even a game against St. Mary's or San Diego State or UNLV or UCI should be possible for a program that has been playing as well as CSUB. I just don't see Idaho or Georgia Southern as "interesting" or entertaining. Plus, why is CSUB going down to Beaumont, Texas to play Lamar?

It may be part of a Home and Home with Lamar returning the favor at a future date.

In recent years, Lamar has scheduled three OOC West Coast games per season. Hopefully, Lamar will continue improvement from the final two Pat Knight years. Finishing last season with 19 wins, the team missed a 20 win season thanks in part to two overtime losses. CSUB will be a good test. I hope the same is true for Lamar. Lamar is picked by some to win the SLC this season over the other SLC post season teams; New Orleans, Stephen F. Austin, TAMU-CC, Houston Baptist, as well as Sam Houston State.

Comparing travel costs with that to one of CSUB's conference foes, it's definitely not a bus trip, but ...

I don't know which airport the Roadrunners use, but commercial airfare from LAX to either of the Houston airports is only $299 vs $287 for LAX to El Paso Intl according to Google maps. Once you land, the ground distance is pretty much of a wash with 75 miles from George Bush Intercontinental to the closest Beaumont hotels vs 54 miles between Las Cruces and El Paso Intl.

Flying from Bakersfield, it is less expensive to fly directly to Beaumont with a connection in Dallas ($426) than it is to El Paso ($576). There is only a 7 mile drive to Lamar from the regional airport vs that 54 mile drive to Las Cruces. There are several hotels basically within walking distance of the regional airport (Jack Brooks Regional Airport) also.

The team could get some pretty good food like The Schooner restaurant across from the airport http://theschoonerrestaurant.com/main/ for seafood or Larry's French Market http://www.larrysfrenchmarket.com/, a short drive, for some Cajun food.

It would be nice to have at least as many in attendance as attended the game in the first image below. The Montagne Center seats 10,080 for basketball. It's a nice place to watch a game; especially, if there is a good crowd.

(08-15-2017 09:57 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Clarity, UMKC got a home game against Mississippi State. It is possible to schedule a power conference school, but even a game against St. Mary's or San Diego State or UNLV or UCI should be possible for a program that has been playing as well as CSUB. I just don't see Idaho or Georgia Southern as "interesting" or entertaining. Plus, why is CSUB going down to Beaumont, Texas to play Lamar?

You are so full of nonsense. If they could've got those games at home they would've. UMKC got that game because simply put they have never been good. Also UCI seriously? They are on the same level as Idaho. Idaho will likely win the Big Sky this year. Last year the Big West was horrible and worse than the Big Sky. Notice how you didn't mention NMSU's failure to get a P5 school at home despite being a very successful program, it's because they have nothing to gain by going to Las Cruces. Do you really think they didn't ask for some bigger games? Teams have nothing to gain playing us at home especially since we've had so much success the last two years. They win oh well nobody cares and if they lose it's an embarrassment. Being a good mid-major makes it HARDER to land good P5 games at home not easier like you think. I'm sure you are an almighty guru who should be doing our schedule though.

Oops.
I purposefully deleated this post.

(08-15-2017 07:07 PM)RunnerBall Wrote:  Related. PDF file of all NCAA MBB attendance data. This includes DII schools in it. Interesting to browse. (Academy of Art draws .....100 PPG) CBU will be interesting to watch next year after they have announced the move up. Denver drawing 1,620.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketba...d/2017.pdf

Hard to believe but yes this was the original post haha.

(08-15-2017 09:57 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Clarity, UMKC got a home game against Mississippi State. It is possible to schedule a power conference school, but even a game against St. Mary's or San Diego State or UNLV or UCI should be possible for a program that has been playing as well as CSUB. I just don't see Idaho or Georgia Southern as "interesting" or entertaining. Plus, why is CSUB going down to Beaumont, Texas to play Lamar?

I'm not 100% sure but my guess is UMKC got that home game thanks to Mississippi State's former head coach, Rick Ray. He was Coach through the 2014-2015 season and he's real good friends with Richardson. That's how a lot of these go .. connections.

Clarity, you are wrong, again. P5 schools don't avoid mid-majors because of how good they are. That is an actually attractive. They will avoid small arenas and places that are out of the way or places that offer little in recruiting. But a mid-major with a good record and good RPI is interesting to a P5 school. But getting home games against a P5 is not easy.

NMSU played Arizona at home in 2011 and Texas Tech in the 2006 season. But it is tough to attract P5 schools to Las Cruces. But even Chicago State got a home game against Oregon State in 2011 and UTRGV got a home game against Big Ten Northwestern in 2010 and has Oklahoma coming up in 2018.

UCI has had five straight seasons with at least 21 wins, two regular season crowns and an NCAA tournament appearance over that time frame. Idaho has had one season with 20 or more wins over the past 24 years. Their last regular season conference title was 1993 and their last NCAA tournament appearance 1990. Clearly, UCI and Idaho are not on the same level.

You are too damn sensitive. I have said that CSUB is playing well. They need to schedule better. That is just a fact. Where are the MWC Schools on the home schedule? Where are the WCC schools? Idaho usually has a +200 RPI. You guys need to do better than that.

(08-15-2017 08:03 PM)joshadam84 Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 09:57 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Clarity, UMKC got a home game against Mississippi State. It is possible to schedule a power conference school, but even a game against St. Mary's or San Diego State or UNLV or UCI should be possible for a program that has been playing as well as CSUB. I just don't see Idaho or Georgia Southern as "interesting" or entertaining. Plus, why is CSUB going down to Beaumont, Texas to play Lamar?

I'm not 100% sure but my guess is UMKC got that home game thanks to Mississippi State's former head coach, Rick Ray. He was Coach through the 2014-2015 season and he's real good friends with Richardson. That's how a lot of these go .. connections.

Correct, but we have had Kansas State in the past.

(08-16-2017 10:50 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Clarity, you are wrong, again. P5 schools don't avoid mid-majors because of how good they are. That is an actually attractive. They will avoid small arenas and places that are out of the way or places that offer little in recruiting. But a mid-major with a good record and good RPI is interesting to a P5 school. But getting home games against a P5 is not easy.

NMSU played Arizona at home in 2011 and Texas Tech in the 2006 season. But it is tough to attract P5 schools to Las Cruces. But even Chicago State got a home game against Oregon State in 2011 and UTRGV got a home game against Big Ten Northwestern in 2010 and has Oklahoma coming up in 2018.

UCI has had five straight seasons with at least 21 wins, two regular season crowns and an NCAA tournament appearance over that time frame. Idaho has had one season with 20 or more wins over the past 24 years. Their last regular season conference title was 1993 and their last NCAA tournament appearance 1990. Clearly, UCI and Idaho are not on the same level.

You are too damn sensitive. I have said that CSUB is playing well. They need to schedule better. That is just a fact. Where are the MWC Schools on the home schedule? Where are the WCC schools? Idaho usually has a +200 RPI. You guys need to do better than that.

I'm going to have to agree with Clarity about P5 schools playing mid majors at home. The Pan Am is comparable to most P5 schools arena in size. After Arizona came and nearly lost to us Miller said he would never go back. Unless you're Wichita State most P5 conference schools will not play at a mid majors arena (or gym in CSUBs case). I'm sure GCU paid Louisville big bucks to play at GCU arena. I never see that happening again for them. However, you are correct that no school will want to play in that tiny ugly gym and it's disgusting floor at CSUB. As far as Clarity being sensitive, you hit the nail right on the head.

UMKC does it pretty frequently. Once every 3-4 years, but then again we schedule at multiple p5 teams every year from different conferences and some top mid major teams unlike some of the WAC, but i digress.

Kenpom has CSUB 30 spots ahead of UMKC in strength of schedule last year. CSUB this year is at Arizona, at Arkansas and at UCLA. Last year was at Arizona, at BYU, at SMU and home against Fresno State. They also kept all of those games close and beat Fresno. UMKC gets those games easily because they are bad and get money. There's a reason Chicago State plays a harder schedule than NMSU or GCU almost every year. Teams don't want to play good mid majors because they have nothing to gain. UMKC comes in and it's an easy win.

Both sides here are correct. Again there is no real incentives in playing a rough schedule if the conference as a whole doesnt do it. Mark Few of Gonzaga has said similar things about how the WCC doesnt schedule tough OOC's and that they have been said to be open to looking elsewhere to join a conference. Only issue for them is there isn't a west coast league worth to jump to besides P12 and they aren't going to ask them to join...

(08-16-2017 06:42 PM)Clarity Wrote:  Kenpom has CSUB 30 spots ahead of UMKC in strength of schedule last year. CSUB this year is at Arizona, at Arkansas and at UCLA. Last year was at Arizona, at BYU, at SMU and home against Fresno State. They also kept all of those games close and beat Fresno. UMKC gets those games easily because they are bad and get money. There's a reason Chicago State plays a harder schedule than NMSU or GCU almost every year. Teams don't want to play good mid majors because they have nothing to gain. UMKC comes in and it's an easy win.

I have non-con SOS 135 UMKC 191 CSUB.

Even if that were true it doesn't matter because UMKC got blown out in every game.